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Jack Gladney posted:How strange that the victim of such a wide-ranging conspiracy, so long on the receiving end of horrific manipulations by mass media, friends, lovers, and strangers, should end up playing the puppetmaster. It's not a conspiracy - he clearly wrote consirpancy which means that IT FALLS UNDER ADMIRALTY LAW AND THEREFORE EVERYTHING IS NULL AND VOID
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emfive posted:It's not a conspiracy - he clearly wrote consirpancy which means that IT FALLS UNDER ADMIRALTY LAW AND THEREFORE EVERYTHING IS NULL AND VOID Admiralty Law has NO POWER over the land. On land, on sea, and in air, there is only one law: America.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Admiralty Law has NO POWER over the land. On land, on sea, and in air, there is only one law: America. You see we are all born via the berth canal, thus, we are all boats. America is a sham.
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Jan 2, 2015 20:06
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Gobbo, I spoke with your father on the phone earlier today. I hate cops, so you should know what that means. They are worried about you and want you to come home. I'd be lying if I said they said they were sorry, but at least call them and let them know you are safe. Sending telepathic messages through orgonite isn't enough. Their peneal glands are fried from the fluoride so they can't receive your messages. Please let them know you are safe via telephone. If you aren't gobbo, please disregard this message.
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Jan 3, 2015 09:35
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Literally The Worst posted:You see we are all born via the berth canal, thus, we are all boats. America is a sham. Well i have not seen your berth certificate yet 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Wait, what about people born by c-section. What laws apply to those who were from their mother's womb untimely ripped? (  )
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Hodgepodge posted:Wait, what about people born by c-section. What laws apply to those who were from their mother's womb untimely ripped? Are you kidding? Having "sea section" on your berth certificate makes you, like, triple sovereign.
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Jan 3, 2015 18:38
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Centripetal Horse posted:Are you kidding? Having "sea section" on your berth certificate makes you, like, triple sovereign. Double negative makes you subject to land laws. C-sections are thus a government plot to crack down on piracy and sovreign citizens.
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Jan 3, 2015 20:43
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Maybe the c-section counts as an airforce operation.
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Jan 3, 2015 22:32
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I believe it also makes you exempt from witches' prophecies.
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Jan 3, 2015 22:53
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I believe it also makes you exempt from witches' prophecies. Only if the prophecy is that no man of woman born may slay your foe. This also works if you are a woman or a hobbit. E: although as worded, Gandalf could have killed Macbeth. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jan 3, 2015 |
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They wasted no time with this one
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Doot-de-doo, checking up on unread threads and... Holy gently caress, how did this thread end up gaining 450 posts all of a sudden? *skims* Well, that certainly was a meltdown. 
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A quick glance at the always wonderful David Icke Forums shows that they're convinced it's a False Flag and everyone who "died" was an actor. While they agree on that, they are however having a massive slapfight about whether Mossad are behind it or not and some guy is quite upset that other people don't believe he can psychically talk to aliens.
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Jan 7, 2015 20:54
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Hi is it ok to post add me's twitter to confirm the crazy poo poo?
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Jan 9, 2015 02:46
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DO it.
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https://twitter.com/awfulhorse https://heatherquinnell.wordpress.com/ e:vvv there's a ton of poo poo to go through, can't do that much  vvv
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Seconded. If you're squeamish about the rest of us touching the poop just take screenshots of some of the choice cuts.
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That's uh, that's a twitter background right there
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Modrasone posted:A quick glance at the always wonderful David Icke Forums shows that they're convinced it's a False Flag and everyone who "died" was an actor. So what is the conspiracy exactly? That a terrorist attack was faked by a spooky shadow government to...get people to stand up for free speech?
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Modrasone posted:A quick glance at the always wonderful David Icke Forums shows that they're convinced it's a False Flag and everyone who "died" was an actor. While they agree on that, they are however having a massive slapfight about whether Mossad are behind it or not and some guy is quite upset that other people don't believe he can psychically talk to aliens. To be fair, I'd be pretty upset if I went to the We Believe Crazy Bullshit forums and no one would believe my crazy bullshit.
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Raxivace posted:So what is the conspiracy exactly? That a terrorist attack was faked by a spooky shadow government to...get people to stand up for free speech? that's what THEY want you to think~
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Raxivace posted:So what is the conspiracy exactly? That a terrorist attack was faked by a spooky shadow government to...get people to stand up for free speech? From what I can make out (it's a very headache-inducing place) every single news event is orchestrated by whichever group the individual posters believe is Behind Everything. What's interesting is that they all agree on the orchestration bit but then mostly leave each other alone on the "who", despite some of them believing in very different groups being the ones pulling the strings. It's all about them making themselves feel smart and special and able to see what the sheeple can't. A quick look through the thread and I can see at least 10 different Why?'s all of them very vague and very stupid.
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It's very common for conspiracy theorists to argue for multiple mutually exclusive theories without noticing that they're contradicting themselves. Like say one claims that 9-11 was a controlled demolition. If you get him talking about holograms, he'll likely agree with you that the planes were really cruise missiles made to look like planes. Or that the CIA and the mafia each killed Kennedy.
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Jan 10, 2015 01:42
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Jack Gladney posted:. Or that the CIA and the mafia each killed Kennedy.
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I have a hard time talking with communists who maintain that victims of communist regimes were wildly exaggerated. It makes red flags go up in my head, because to say that (for instance) the 1932-33 Ukraine famine was an accident rather than a deliberate killing is to say that the mainstream historiography is all a big stinking lie, with thousands of historians and scholars in on the plot to discredit Stalin. And isn't this exactly the same thing other conspiracists claim - that scientists are embroiled in a vast conspiracy to undermine creationism, or that Jewish agents are manipulating everyone to make it look like the Holocaust happened, or that all the king's men who orchestrated 9/11 for Bush are just very, very good at staying quiet? I'm pretty sure denying the Holodomor is on par with these other whoppers, and it feels like no accident that I can never pin down the deniers on what exactly is wrong with the "official" story. Sorry, just a dumb rant.
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I feel the same way about the famines in India, but what ya gonna do. Though saying it is conspiracy related is straight up dumb, unless you honestly don't think ideology effects how people view things. Which you seem to argue it does and does not. which is weird. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jan 10, 2015 |
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Modrasone posted:It's all about them making themselves feel smart and special and able to see what the sheeple can't. This is the crux of it, I think, and honestly it just makes me feel pity for conspiracy theorists. Like I feel sad for that AddMeOnFacebook person, even though they obviously were a huge tool. How terrible must it be to tie your identity so strongly to thinking like that? Raxivace fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jan 10, 2015 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:I feel the same way about the famines in India, but what ya gonna do. I don't understand what you mean here. I think ideology clearly affects how people see the world, and in some cases even causes people to accept conspiracy theories about world events. And I agree with you, of course, that denying the El Nino-related famines under colonial regimes is awful.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:I don't understand what you mean here. I think ideology clearly affects how people see the world, and in some cases even causes people to accept conspiracy theories about world events. And I agree with you, of course, that denying the El Nino-related famines under colonial regimes is awful. Saying that a social scientist's ideology has a greater effect on their output than that of a hard scientist's output is a pretty normal and acceptable thing to think. By definition, the study of history is the study of various artifacts left behind by humans. So you have humans prone to all the normal ideological pressures studying things created by people under those same pressures (and often there's an intermediary translating agent as well). There are lots of extent anti-socialist propaganda to back up the the claim that 'victims of communist regimes were wildly exaggerated.' Also, just going to bring up this thread's constant refrain: don't assume malice where incompetence will do. I feel like the Holodomor in particular is much more likely attributed to ignorance and cowardice (in most cases). I wonder if there may be some political agendas behind agreeing/disagreeing with the Holodomor death toll, much like China and Japan have very different estimates on Nanjing? At any rate, Stalin has well enough crimes against humanity on his head that you don't need to add any more.
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Jack Gladney posted:It's very common for conspiracy theorists to argue for multiple mutually exclusive theories without noticing that they're contradicting themselves. Like say one claims that 9-11 was a controlled demolition. If you get him talking about holograms, he'll likely agree with you that the planes were really cruise missiles made to look like planes. Or that the CIA and the mafia each killed Kennedy. Well, according to the onion that might be partially true  
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Jack Gladney posted:It's very common for conspiracy theorists to argue for multiple mutually exclusive theories without noticing that they're contradicting themselves. Like say one claims that 9-11 was a controlled demolition. If you get him talking about holograms, he'll likely agree with you that the planes were really cruise missiles made to look like planes. Or that the CIA and the mafia each killed Kennedy. you didn't specify which kennedy
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Does anyone have some good sources (and conversational approaches) on discrediting globalresearch.ca and/or natural news? http://www.globalresearch.ca/mind-altering-drugs-are-statins-the-cause-of-widespread-brain-dysfunction/5423383 My dad found that article and now he doesn't want to take his heart medicine and that's the last goddamn straw. He can be a truther all he likes but I draw the line at him endangering his own health.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:I have a hard time talking with communists who maintain that victims of communist regimes were wildly exaggerated. It makes red flags go up in my head, because to say that (for instance) the 1932-33 Ukraine famine was an accident rather than a deliberate killing is to say that the mainstream historiography is all a big stinking lie, with thousands of historians and scholars in on the plot to discredit Stalin. And isn't this exactly the same thing other conspiracists claim - that scientists are embroiled in a vast conspiracy to undermine creationism, or that Jewish agents are manipulating everyone to make it look like the Holocaust happened, or that all the king's men who orchestrated 9/11 for Bush are just very, very good at staying quiet? I'm pretty sure denying the Holodomor is on par with these other whoppers, and it feels like no accident that I can never pin down the deniers on what exactly is wrong with the "official" story. Sorry, just a dumb rant. Unfortunately rightists have spun the deaths under Stalin and Mao into hilarious exaggerations, I hear 100 or 120 million sometimes.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:I don't understand what you mean here. I think ideology clearly affects how people see the world, and in some cases even causes people to accept conspiracy theories about world events. And I agree with you, of course, that denying the El Nino-related famines under colonial regimes is awful. A conspiracy requires covering up information usually trying to absolve yourself of blame. No one who thinks that the west messages numbers for Stalin and his ilk are doing it for to protect themselves, or are just making poo poo up, but they do massage for rather obvious political and ideological reasoning. It doesn't fit the conspiracy theory at all.
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I kind of like the idea of some bungling autocrat being so incompetent at governance he accidentally kills everyone he's governing, sort of like a genocidal Mr. Bean, but the truth is that even failing upwards it's quite difficult to be in such a position if you're at that level of incompetence.
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Ddraig posted:I kind of like the idea of some bungling autocrat being so incompetent at governance he accidentally kills everyone he's governing, sort of like a genocidal Mr. Bean, but the truth is that even failing upwards it's quite difficult to be in such a position if you're at that level of incompetence. Well, Lysenkoism and Mao's policies sure killed a lot of people the government may not strictly have intended to kill.
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SedanChair posted:Well, Lysenkoism and Mao's policies sure killed a lot of people the government may not strictly have intended to kill. Yeah, the Great Leap Forward is probably the best example of that (and of "a good wartime leader but a poo poo peacetime leader"). Even that was magnified by the sheer population of China though, they had nearly 600 million people in 1953 compared with just over 100 million in the USSR at the same time.
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