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Kyrosiris posted:Normally I would hate Stephen Speck because he plays lands in front of creatures, but that Simian Spirit Guide to pay for the Mana Leak was a blowout Also Amulet Combo is infinitely more interesting than UR Delver.
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bhsman posted:Also Amulet Combo is infinitely more interesting than UR Delver. This is also true. 
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Jan 12, 2015 01:31
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Aw man, that choke. It would be really cool to see merfolk get to the finals.
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Jan 12, 2015 01:34
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Pod is still the best deck in modern I guess? At least Delver didn't do anything.
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Jan 12, 2015 02:02
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TheKingofSprings posted:Pod wasn't the main reason that card was banned in the first place (it was 12Post). I'm not sure how Gaddock Teeg affects Pods tutors much at all.
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Jan 12, 2015 02:08
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Count Bleck posted:Bloom Titan in Second Place is pretty impressive, I must admit. I'd hold off on that haha, that was a pretty flaccid final.
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Jan 12, 2015 02:08
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Angry Grimace posted:I'm not sure how Gaddock Teeg affects Pods tutors much at all. They can't cast Pod, Chord, or GSZ while Teeg's out?
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Jan 12, 2015 02:09
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forbidden lesbian posted:I'd hold off on that haha, that was a pretty flaccid final. The amulet player had the win that second game, though. (If he Pacts the Birthing Pod, the pod player gets a copy and has to either pact the Pod or the original Pact. If he pacts the original, only he has to pay the upkeep cost. If he pacts the pod, the original pact fizzles, ergo it's owner doesn't have to pay the upkeep cost. Ergo only the pod player has to pay, ergo the pod player loses.)
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Jan 12, 2015 02:13
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Defeatist Elitist posted:https://twitter.com/BenS8528/status/554417826035798017 He said something like, "I'm not racist, but it seems most cheaters are Portuguese and French."
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Jan 12, 2015 02:14
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Angry Grimace posted:I'm not sure how Gaddock Teeg affects Pods tutors much at all. What is Birthing Pod's converted mana cost?
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Rinkles posted:The amulet player had the win that second game, though. (If he Pacts the Birthing Pod, the pod player gets a copy and has to either pact the Pod or the original Pact. If he pacts the original, only he has to pay the upkeep cost. If he pacts the pod, the original pact fizzles, ergo it's owner doesn't have to pay the upkeep cost. Ergo only the pod player has to pay, ergo the pod player loses.) Oh really? I missed part of it, I just saw part of the first match where it seemed like he didn't really do anything and like five minutes of the second, had to go away for a little bit, and then came back to Eric being the winner.
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Jan 12, 2015 02:20
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forbidden lesbian posted:Oh really? I missed part of it, I just saw part of the first match where it seemed like he didn't really do anything and like five minutes of the second, had to go away for a little bit, and then came back to Eric being the winner. Stark and Marshall missed it themselves, until the interview with Peters (the winner).
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Jan 12, 2015 02:22
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mcmagic posted:Pod is still the best deck in modern I guess? At least Delver didn't do anything. It "only" put two in the top 8 when 5 of the other 6 decks played multiple Chalices of the Void. And the pact play was a punt but bringing in chalice against pod was just baffling.
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Well, Omaha was my first GP, and I did pretty terribly (2-1-2), but I definitely had a blast, and definitely look forward to going again. I played Mono-U Tron, and while I know it's not the best deck, and it gets eaten alive by Delver, it's a shitload of fun. Holy balls is it ever slow, though--it runs so few threats that you need to be pretty much positive that it's going to be able to protect what it lands. I'm definitely torn on what the most satisfying play I had with it was, though--it's either Mindslaver-ing an Affinity player and destroying their entire board with their Ravager, or blowing up all four of a Jeskai Control player's lands with a Sundering Titan (he splashed black for Slaughter Games). I'm looking forward to more events and more Modern in the future.
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Jan 12, 2015 02:49
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Anyone think Whisperwood Elemental is being pretty undervalued right now? 5 mana for 6 power aint bad, and it just keeps drawing you cards if it sticks around. Plus it is pretty good wrath insurance. it kind of seems like a larger goblin rabblemaster to me. I think i might do babby's first spec on it at $5
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Jan 12, 2015 03:47
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A big flaming stink posted:Anyone think Whisperwood Elemental is being pretty undervalued right now? 5 mana for 6 power aint bad, and it just keeps drawing you cards if it sticks around. Plus it is pretty good wrath insurance. The chances of any cards beings undervalued in prerelease prices are pretty much nil...
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Jan 12, 2015 03:59
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mcmagic posted:The chances of any cards beings undervalued in prerelease prices are pretty much nil... Funny that, he mentions a prime example of noted dollar bin rare card goblin rabblemaster, which grew astronomically at least a week or two after release.
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Deofuta posted:Funny that, he mentions a prime example of noted dollar bin rare card goblin rabblemaster, which grew astronomically at least a week or two after release. didn't wingmate roc shoot up like a rocket post release too? (e: dig through time too!) i just figure the card is powerful enough to have potential, and a mythic in a small set means supply is on my side
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Roc went down then up then back down again, iirc. It is actually pretty close to its start point right now, according to goldfish.Deofuta posted:Funny that, he mentions a prime example of noted dollar bin rare card goblin rabblemaster, which grew astronomically at least a week or two after release. On the other hand I think Whisperwood probably just lands around $5 if it sees play anyway.
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A big flaming stink posted:Anyone think Whisperwood Elemental is being pretty undervalued right now? 5 mana for 6 power aint bad, and it just keeps drawing you cards if it sticks around. Plus it is pretty good wrath insurance. Manifested cards aren't the same as drawn cards. Every non-creature you manifest is a wasted card. A bear and nothing more. It is still card advantage and it does provide Wrath insurance for all your other face up guys but having other face up guys is the key there. And it's something your opponent can play around too. If they try to just Wrath, you'll sac in response and get a bunch of bears. If they target it with a kill spell first with the intention of Wrathing after, you sac in response and your opponent just has to hold out till next turn to wrath you out. Also Perilous Vault and Anger of the Gods completely invalidate his ability.
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Jan 12, 2015 04:14
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Can someone explain to me how Manifest amounts to drawing cards? Because I just don't get it.
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Cernunnos posted:Manifested cards aren't the same as drawn cards. Every non-creature you manifest is a wasted card. A bear and nothing more. ??? I spoke to hastily about it 'drawing you cards' but how on earth is a non-creature manifest wasted? You got it for nothing!
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Jan 12, 2015 04:17
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A random 2/2 is not a full card frequently, but anytime you hit a creature you can morph that IS a real card gain. And since most of the time your deck top is random you grabbing a spell is not different than it getting milled away.
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A big flaming stink posted:??? I spoke to hastily about it 'drawing you cards' but how on earth is a non-creature manifest wasted? You got it for nothing! You put that card in your deck because it does something other than be a bear. E: On a different note I wonder if UW Heroic will do anything with Lightform or Cloudform? They Scry enough that they can almost garuntee a creature gets Manifested Giving their beater Flying and Lifelink or Hexproof seems alright. Especially Hexproof. Cernunnos fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Jan 12, 2015 |
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Cernunnos posted:You put that card in your deck because it does something other than be a bear. uh, i feel like you're making an analog to the mill argument. It doesn't matter if it gets manifested on the field, you didn't lose it because you didn't have to spend a draw step on it.
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qbert posted:Can someone explain to me how Manifest amounts to drawing cards? Because I just don't get it. If your hand is out of gas, but throughout the game you have manifested X cards of which Y are creatures, you can 'cast' those Y creatures sort of like if you had drawn them. RE: Specs, there is almost always one or two cards that break out at the PT and shoot up, while the rest make their way downwards. Unless you are putting the work in to find those cards, and unless you can do as good a job of that as the PT testing teams can, you're basically just guessing and the odds are bad. Don't let it stop you though. Speccing on cards can be fun in the way gambling or opening packs is fun. Just go in to it clear eyed about what you're trying to do.
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How close manifesting is to drawing cards depends on how many creatures you run. In a 30 creature deck for instance you could see it as drawing half a card. e: There might also be more ways to "reclaim" a manifested non-creature card in Dragons, like that guy who bounces stuff back to your hand. e2: Obviously with library manipulation the card advantage rate would rise. Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Jan 12, 2015 |
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Jan 12, 2015 04:33
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Cernunnos posted:You put that card in your deck because it does something other than be a bear. You know what they say - A bear on the battlefield is worth a wingmate roc in your library.
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I did pretty good with Monastery Swiftspear, because from the time it was released it was one of my favorite creatures of all time. I also cracked Nissa and Ajani during the m15 prerelease and traded them for 20 bucks each. Felt bad when Nissa went to 30, but in the long run, getting rid of pre-release planeswalkers for 20 has been good to me.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:I did pretty good with Monastery Swiftspear, because from the time it was released it was one of my favorite creatures of all time. I also cracked Nissa and Ajani during the m15 prerelease and traded them for 20 bucks each. Felt bad when Nissa went to 30, but in the long run, getting rid of pre-release planeswalkers for 20 has been good to me. At your LGS or online?
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At the old lgs. The people who collect things for standard eat up planeswalkers before they are widely available.
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Jan 12, 2015 04:40
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Yeah I'm not buying the 'manifest is wasting cards' argument. Its like saying Thoughscouring yourself is wasting cards. You're just drawing the next card down anyway, and if you don't know what your draws are it really doesnt matter if its an Elspeth or what have you.
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I don't think Manifest is wasting cards, but I don't really buy that it's the same as drawing cards either. To me, Whisperwood Elemental is basically a worse Master of the Wild Hunt, but it could still totally be decent and playable.
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Wait one drat second.. will manifest make the lens of clarity actually decent in limited? When I draft, that card is a practical joke because it either lets you know that you lost a turn earlier, or lets you see the better card you would have drawn instead.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Wait one drat second.. will manifest make the lens of clarity actually decent in limited? When I draft, that card is a practical joke because it either lets you know that you lost a turn earlier, or lets you see the better card you would have drawn instead. I would be astounded if lens of clarity became a playable card
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I think it the manifest thing hits at an innate difference between serious and casual players. There's just a massive feelbad when you mill the top card of your library and it turns out it could have won you the game, even if statistically milling the top card of your library blind is the right decision. It takes a while for a player to overcome that initial reluctance with cold hard math.
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Unless you know a spell is at the top of your library and you still manifest it, manifesting the top card of your library is not "wasting" a card. If the top card of your deck is unknown when you manifest, your top card will still be unknown afterwards.
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newtestleper posted:I would be astounded if lens of clarity became a playable card
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Wait one drat second.. will manifest make the lens of clarity actually decent in limited? When I draft, that card is a practical joke because it either lets you know that you lost a turn earlier, or lets you see the better card you would have drawn instead. If you look at your pool and lens of clarity is better then any other options exit out that draft because you are not winning any of those games.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Wait one drat second.. will manifest make the lens of clarity actually decent in limited? When I draft, that card is a practical joke because it either lets you know that you lost a turn earlier, or lets you see the better card you would have drawn instead. No, you're still spending a card to do basically nothing.
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