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Whaat, China Mieville is a professional-level illustrator as well? How multi-talented is this guy?! Good for him though, any way he can get his imagination out there into the world. Edit: Wait, that byline on the Amazon page doesn't suggest he's illustrating it at all. I think that blog author has bad reading comprehension, or the byline was changed. Ccs fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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# ? May 14, 2024 12:33 |
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Ccs posted:Whaat, China Mieville is a professional-level illustrator as well? How multi-talented is this guy?! Well thanks for the comment about my reading comprehension, and also, And the .co.uk version: rear end.
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# ? Oct 10, 2014 07:07 |
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Twenty bucks says Mieville gets the ampersand.
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# ? Oct 10, 2014 07:36 |
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Twenty bucks says Mieville gets the ampersand. Table of contents posted:A: “The Auricle” by Gio Clairval
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# ? Oct 10, 2014 07:47 |
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bring back yGudluh This isn't a knock against Mieville, but while he's a decent illustrator, I wouldn't say he's as good as a professional illustrator. Also, dang, the Vandermeers really are into growing and cultivating New Weird aren't they? I feel like virtually every single collection of the strange has one or the other appearing in some capacity.
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# ? Oct 10, 2014 07:55 |
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New Weird and steampunk. They've edited three steampunk-themed story collections, and Jeff's worked on two books about the subculture. As for New Weird, weren't they involved from the beginning, even in the initial conversations about the subgenre back in 2002-ish? I'm not a great fan of Jeff's work, but I'm happy they're getting people published who would have been ignored back in the '90s.
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# ? Oct 10, 2014 17:48 |
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Hedrigall posted:
Oops, you're right. My reading comprehension was at fault, I was just reading the book description and not the actual author and artist attributions.
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# ? Oct 13, 2014 05:46 |
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NEW BOOK APPROACHING It's been a very long interim guys, but I am so happy to tell you all that Three Moments of an Explosion: Stories will be published on 18 June, 2015. Preorder: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Three-Moments-Explosion-China-Mieville/dp/0230770177/ My blog post from a while ago speculating on the contents: http://outtherebooks.wordpress.com/2014/01/10/the-new-china-mieville-short-story-collection-out-on-june-2014/ It will contain “seven previously published short stories and multiple brand new, never-before-seen short stories”.
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# ? Nov 5, 2014 02:25 |
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Sweet! I'll be pre-ordering my copy around Christmas. Thanks for the heads up, Hedrigall.
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# ? Nov 5, 2014 12:10 |
The bestiary sounds like a modern take on Borges' Book of Imaginary Beings - we know Miéville at least read that since he references it in The Tain. Sounds like a pretty amazing concept to me.
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# ? Nov 5, 2014 18:07 |
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Hoping for some special edition hardcover like with Railsea!
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# ? Nov 6, 2014 00:53 |
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Mike N Eich posted:God drat how obviously evil Silas is, and how silly it is for Bellis to sorta kinda fall for him. It feels kind of sloppily out of character for her to delude herself in working with him, and its not like she's into his bad-boyishness, she's completely and totally blind to how unscrupulous the guy is. I mean yeah she's lonely, but drat. I think it sort of fit. So much of the book was about how Bellis wasn't nearly as clever and urban and adult as she thought she was. Even chatting with Silas her narration goes on about what a witty, seen-it-all, oh so grown up conversationeer she thinks she is. I'm glad Mieville had it come back round on her, because I found her really obnoxious, in a well-written way. It's one of the things that makes The Scar drag on a first read I think - the middle sections where you can't tell if the book is condoning her or setting her up for a fall. Bellis Coldwhine
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# ? Nov 6, 2014 11:48 |
Got a signed version of Railsea this weekend. So far it's my second signed China Mieville book (the other one is Embassytown).
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# ? Nov 23, 2014 17:37 |
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Thing One: I may have mentioned it before, but in some rare fantasy casting, this is only person I saw as Bellis: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0931404/?ref_=tt_cl_t3 Thing Two: I read through all of Dial H, thanks to the library, and it is the Mieville book you folks wanted but might not have read because it is a DC comic. A glorious mess, complete with characters that talk like retard infants because China has a wooden ear for dialogue. You can tell the last three or so issues had to speed things along, what with being cancelled. I still think he did a fine, madcap, Big Ideas sort of book, with his own flair and obsession with objects like dials and windows and things. Also, I'm pretty sure he took the window jokes from the Batman origin edit: http://jaypinkerton.com/2005/01/05/batman-origin-comics/ and twisted it into a serious-faced character that actually worked.
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# ? Dec 9, 2014 05:39 |
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# ? Jan 4, 2015 14:27 |
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Really like that cover. Can't wait to get more Mieville, too.
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# ? Jan 5, 2015 15:02 |
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June can't come soon enough!
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# ? Jan 6, 2015 05:46 |
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RoboCicero posted:June can't come soon enough! It'll be July now, or August if you're in the US. Stories pretty much confirmed to be in: * "Three Moments of an Explosion" (duh) * "Estate" (based on the cover art having antlers, and this story having a deer in it) * "Covehithe" (confirmed as included, on the UK Tor blog) * "Polynia" (confirmed as included, on the UK Tor blog) * "The Rope is the World" (confirmed as included, on the UK Tor blog) Supposedly it'll have 7 previously published stories and a number of brand new stories. My bets for the other 2 previously published ones: "The Design", "The 9th Technique". However if those are both in, then it'll be a shame that the second Thackery T. Lambshead story "Pulvadmonitor: The Dust's Warning" is left out. On the other hand, it depends what you consider as "previously published". "Three Moments" for instance was only on Miéville's blog, while "The 9th Technique" was only given out in a chapbook to people at a fantasy convention. So who knows! As for the brand new stories, well I'm hoping for a) something new set in Bas-Lag, b) some kind of longer novella, or c) a and b being the same thing.
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# ? Jan 6, 2015 05:58 |
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Just finished The Scar. Some thoughts: I think I liked it more than Perdido Street Station. The characters were certainly more interesting, although once again the most uninteresting and dislikeable character happened to be the main character. I'm sad that I can't read a whole book about Uther Doul because I really want to know what his deal is. The setting was definitely better than Steampunk London. World-building is definitely his greatest strength. Plot, not so much. I'm past the age where I need every little piece of exposition spelled out to me and treating every twist as if it isnt extremely predictable is just laughable. Anyway, I had a lot of fun with the first two books but I might leave off on Iron Council for a while. Also, if I ever see the word "puissant" again I am going to have a stroke.
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# ? Jan 7, 2015 00:03 |
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paint dry posted:Just finished The Scar. Some thoughts: Weird, I really liked Isaac, pretty good reluctant hero with interesting limitations, who didn't really grow or change in the course of the narrative. Though I agree that Bellis was an unpleasant character, I thought it was a fun, if somewhat repeated theme, that from an external view, the heroes of other stories are assholes and weirdies. Lemuel Pidgen, or Uther Doul, or The Lover, or any number of other characters would be much more traditional picks for a POV hero. So picking a far less dynamic, kinda whiny, and nowhere near as smart as they think POV character, watching what certainly would appear to be heroics from a POV perspective, and seeing them come off as lovely, was fun.
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# ? Jan 7, 2015 01:17 |
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paint dry posted:Anyway, I had a lot of fun with the first two books but I might leave off on Iron Council for a while. Also, if I ever see the word "puissant" again I am going to have a stroke. Take a shot every time you read the word "effluvial."
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# ? Jan 7, 2015 23:58 |
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Concatenated. Everything is concatenated.
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# ? Jan 8, 2015 11:04 |
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"Puissant" has a specific meaning in the Bas-Lag context, though, it isn't just vocab for the sake of vocab.
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# ? Jan 8, 2015 12:07 |
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Any word if any of the short stories will be set in Bas-Lag?
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# ? Jan 8, 2015 23:31 |
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Benson Cunningham posted:Any word if any of the short stories will be set in Bas-Lag? Nope. We can only hope
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# ? Jan 9, 2015 00:29 |
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:"Puissant" has a specific meaning in the Bas-Lag context, though, it isn't just vocab for the sake of vocab. Yeah, I get that, but I don't remember it turning up in Perdido Street Station so much. I guess there wasn't so much magical stuff in Perdido though.
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# ? Jan 9, 2015 10:43 |
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paint dry posted:Yeah, I get that, but I don't remember it turning up in Perdido Street Station so much. I guess there wasn't so much magical stuff in Perdido though. There were no Grindylow in PSS, that's why.
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# ? Jan 9, 2015 11:41 |
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I just finished The Scar via audiobook and found myself a bit underwhelmed. It felt a bit plodding, and I wasn't a huge fan of any of the main characters. That said, I really liked Perdido Street Station and I'l like to read or listen to another one of his books. Any advice on which direction to go? Should I just do the Iron Council or move onto something more recent and not Bas-Lag?
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# ? Jan 12, 2015 13:08 |
Iron Council is IMO the weakest of the three. I'd suggest going for City & City or Kraken, they're both way more accessible than anything Bas-Lag but remain pretty great books. Then there's Embassytown which is brilliant but pretty drat different from anything else he's written.
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# ? Jan 12, 2015 13:26 |
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Karnegal posted:I just finished The Scar via audiobook and found myself a bit underwhelmed. It felt a bit plodding, and I wasn't a huge fan of any of the main characters. Iron Council is apparently good if you know enough of left wing history to catch the references, I'm not and I'm not a big fan. The City & the City is a kind of detective story in eastern europe, very good. Embassytown is high concept sci-fi about language and is very good. I thought Kraken was a too much like Neil Gaiman, but with less charm. Un lun dun is a YA about an alternate london, also quite Gaiman, but more charming than Kraken, enjoyable.
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# ? Jan 12, 2015 13:36 |
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Karnegal posted:I just finished The Scar via audiobook and found myself a bit underwhelmed. It felt a bit plodding, and I wasn't a huge fan of any of the main characters. Embassytown, no question.
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# ? Jan 12, 2015 13:45 |
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Embassytown if you want incredible conceptual SF and awesome world building, but with kinda cold characters. Railsea for characters characters characters and also a cool adventure story which is Miéville's second best adventure novel, after The Scar. Iron Council if you want more Bas-Lag. It's different as hell from the first two (and even bleaker if you can imagine that) but I thought it was loving brilliant, and anyway it's more loving Bas-Lag. Don't be put off by the sudden 150-page flashback that pops up a quarter of the way in: it's the best part! The City and the City is just great, but it's way more restrained than anything else by Miéville, with concise prose. Still packed with great ideas though. --- Kraken and Un Lun Dun are, respectively, an adult and a YA take on "wacky London with lots of weird poo poo!" a la Gaiman. They're fun but don't even begin to touch the greatness of the four I listed above. Honestly, don't even bother with King Rat.
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# ? Jan 12, 2015 14:01 |
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Oh hey, which reminds me, have this guide to the works of CM I started ages ago, for all of you, my lovely thread people! It's incomplete, there's a few plot descriptions I didn't write, and so on. But it might be useful to someone. Eventually I'll finish it up for a post on my blog.I'm so loving great and posted:
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# ? Jan 12, 2015 14:12 |
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Embassytown is far and away his best work but Iron Council is a close second even without all the sly nods to labor relations history. PSS and The Scar are fun but towards the end both of them start feeling more like pulp adventure novels than anything else, especially PSS. Iron Council on the other hand has an interesting and cogent point about the role of "great men" and their egos in revolutionary politics and never loses sight of the personal side of that movement and the people involved either. (There are elements of that in the other books too, it's more that Iron Council is the conclusion of the iterative improvement in his writing you see across the series.)
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# ? Jan 12, 2015 14:13 |
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Hedrigall posted:
I tried to read King Rat like 4 times now. I just can't do it.
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# ? Jan 12, 2015 16:12 |
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Pfft, I thought it was all right back when I read it. As far as favorites go, definitely agree with Embassytown being his best, but Railsea and The Scar are up there for me as well.
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# ? Jan 12, 2015 16:32 |
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Benson Cunningham posted:I tried to read King Rat like 4 times now. I just can't do it.
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# ? Jan 12, 2015 21:59 |
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Ravenfood posted:Its really short and moderately okay. Its not his greatest work, but you can do a lot worse too. I think it's just one of those things where I was interrupted too many times and now I will never be bale to get through it. I think I like everything else he's ever written though. Even Iron Council.
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# ? Jan 12, 2015 23:36 |
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I loved Iron Council, but I can definitely see why others don't like it as much. Dem golems man. This has all stirred memories and I think I should re-read them all.
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# ? Jan 12, 2015 23:46 |
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# ? May 14, 2024 12:33 |
Yeah for me Scar is the weakest of the three, and Iron Council is the best. I've only read them once though. I love the golems, and that melancholic kind of feeling for a failed revolution. In some ways it feels like it's the happiest too, for all that happens.
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