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loving hell don't talk about pay it's further rubbing it in that I've made a huge mistake by working in telly but would have to retrain to do anything else (and have no £££ and it's hard) Anyway good news, privatisation works! part 2849237 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30785623 BBC News posted:Sellafield firm loses £9bn clean-up contract
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 14:55 |
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# ? Jun 9, 2024 09:28 |
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^^ Hey don't sweat it. Turns out we're going to privatise all the things: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/11290363/Hospitals-and-fire-services-to-be-run-outside-the-public-sector.html quote:Hospitals and fire services will be run “outside the public sector” as the Conservatives dramatically shrink the state and cut costs, a senior minister has disclosed.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 15:07 |
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Why leave out defence and policing? If you're just going to run the country for the wealthy, at least do it honestly.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 15:09 |
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Guavanaut posted:Why leave out defence and policing?
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 15:12 |
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Zephro posted:^^ Hey don't sweat it. Turns out we're going to privatise all the things:
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 15:21 |
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Seaside Loafer posted:How is that actually possible, public sector wages are already poo poo, there has to be something more to that statement, it has to be taken out of context somehow. quote:Mr Maude admitted: “We won’t make the savings that have been set out without further reductions in headcount and pay bill.”
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 15:22 |
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Public sectors should probably be the best paying sectors because they're sort of the things that keep society going, you know? If every doctor or nurse went on strike tomorrow, things would be in such poo poo there would be riots on the street. If management consultants went on strike nobody would notice, or even care.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 15:27 |
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Seaside Loafer posted:How is that actually possible, public sector wages are already poo poo, there has to be something more to that statement, it has to be taken out of context somehow.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 15:28 |
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Zephro posted:^^ Hey don't sweat it. Turns out we're going to privatise all the things: Didn't Tony Benn try and introduce something similar during his tenure? Not for profit cooperatives run by the employees are a very different kettle of fish to handing services over to a profit making corporation owned by separate shareholders. Seaside Loafer posted:How is that actually possible, public sector wages are already poo poo, there has to be something more to that statement, it has to be taken out of context somehow. Public sector wages are ever so slightly higher than private sector on average, and a fifth higher once you factor in the value of pension entitlements, according to the first study to compare the impact of both. quote:Workers in the state sector received a fifth more than counterparts at private firms when pensions were factored in, according research published by the Institute of Fiscal Studies. The think tank said teachers, doctors, nurses and other state employees received an average of £28,000 a year, while private workers received £27,000.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 15:40 |
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Oh sorry will admit didn't actually read article before posting was just so incensed that clicked button. After reading it ... sorry again ... while I guess having a mutual or whatever is better than outright privatisation I just don't understand the logic behind the thinking. The profit motive has no place in essential services unless you can somehow prove that its magically more efficient which after 15 years of demonstration has shown it isn't. Ive said it before and I'll say it again, best crisps, go ahead capitalism, go nuts, the market will decide, but essential services, its just silly. You are at the best adding an unnecessary layer of complexity, these things will have to be monitored/bailed out etc. On a point of debate does anyone know of a government service that has successfully been tendered out? I would argue things like catering and cleaning are probably quite happy being in the hands of private companies.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 15:41 |
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I'm suspicious of privatised cleaning in hospitals, seems too important and thorough a job for a profit driven entity to be doing. Privatised cleaning in other government buildings etc is ok, will definitely cost less, but part of the reason it costs less is that the workers are paid worse which is not really a good thing for the country in the long term. OTOH there's definitely real other savings for an outside company since they'll be using the same employees and equipment for multiple locations etc IMO government should use outside cleaning companies everywhere but hospitals, but should only use companies that pay their employees a living wage.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 15:54 |
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Seaside Loafer posted:On a point of debate does anyone know of a government service that has successfully been tendered out? I would argue things like catering and cleaning are probably quite happy being in the hands of private companies. Sodexo do catering for a lot of councils in Scotland. I wouldn't say they lack success, but it's more expensive to eat there now.
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Prince John posted:Didn't Tony Benn try and introduce something similar during his tenure? Not for profit cooperatives run by the employees are a very different kettle of fish to handing services over to a profit making corporation owned by separate shareholders. quote:But instead of “red-blooded commercial for-profit outsourcing” to big companies, services could be transferred to a range of “mutual, joint venture or hybrid” companies run by their staff. He said it would “give flexibility to evolve services around the needs of the user, which makes for a better outcome and saves money”. Does not sound like a Bennite workers co-operative. Looking into it turns out that Hitchingbrooke is owned by Circle. Circle are a "joint venture" where staff own 49% of the company and the other 51% is owned by... a hedge fund.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 15:58 |
LemonDrizzle posted:How many of those guys are now in their 5th year of postdoc'ing and busy hating life? A lot of the guys I know pissed off to the States or South Africa for more cash and a cushier life. The rest are hating life, apart from a couple who got good posts.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 16:34 |
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Phoon posted:I'm suspicious of privatised cleaning in hospitals, seems too important and thorough a job for a profit driven entity to be doing. They have already managed to cock this up embarrassingly badly with the police. At least one police force has been in a situation where the private cleaning company was just not sending workers/refusing to clean etc., leading to reports by independent monitoring agencies. Similar to the ALS court language fiasco where they can't make their money back if they actually send interpreters to all the courts...so they just don't.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 17:06 |
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Enjoy posted:These chaps seem pretty cool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Action_Party NHA only have a shot of winning in Wyre Forest, where their co-leader was an independent MP for nine years. Sadly.
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Phoon posted:Privatised cleaning in other government buildings etc is ok, will definitely cost less, but part of the reason it costs less is that the workers are paid worse which is not really a good thing for the country in the long term. OTOH there's definitely real other savings for an outside company since they'll be using the same employees and equipment for multiple locations etc They're not necessarily paid less for their work as such, some of them might be being paid on zero-hour contracts and have more than one job, depending on the provider.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 18:07 |
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Jedit posted:Sodexo do catering for a lot of councils in Scotland. I wouldn't say they lack success, but it's more expensive to eat there now. My point here is I don't understand why the MOD couldn't have just hired the people they needed and done it themselves instead of the whole tender/bidding bullshit, they had the needed infrastructure and I know for a fact the initial requirements were not met but worked around through legalise All that was accomplished by making this thing a PFI was this added layer of complexity, a 10 zillion page contract, loads of time/effort/money spent on bullshit instead of actually doing the job. But hey what do I know im just a muppet.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 18:23 |
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Cameron's blathering about legacy of debt the other day made me think: isn't it about time for someone to be asking what the point is? It was easy enough to handwave away before because debt is bad etc, but now they're talking about Britain PLC being "in the black" it feels like it should be a really obvious question to ask "okay, once we're turning a profit, what are we going to spend it on?" Not to mention that it's well past time for people to be asking whether making a profit should even be on the agenda for a nation, especially considering we can literally print our own money (arguably the most desirable position for any capitalist, considering how often good products are compared to it), but still.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 18:31 |
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Does not sound like a Bennite workers co-operative. Looking into it turns out that Hitchingbrooke is owned by Circle. Circle are a "joint venture" where staff own 49% of the company and the other 51% is owned by... a hedge fund. Well he did say 'owned by employers', I think Prince John misread it Prince John posted:Public sector wages are ever so slightly higher than private sector on average, and a fifth higher once you factor in the value of pension entitlements, according to the first study to compare the impact of both. Call me crazy but I can't see any 'average earnings' numbers in either the report or the briefing notes on the contribution of pensions. It's pretty much about differentials and long-term trends. Telegraph dude needs to show his working on this, to be honest
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 18:33 |
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Renaissance Robot posted:it feels like it should be a really obvious question to ask "okay, once we're turning a profit, what are we going to spend it on?" Tax cuts... durrrr
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Renaissance Robot posted:Cameron's blathering about legacy of debt the other day made me think: isn't it about time for someone to be asking what the point is? He knows like everyone else that you only get rid of these big debts by inflating them away or outgrowing them, reducing their size relative to GDP. A lot of his austerity chat is just designed to stop the bond market making GBS threads a brick, I think.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 18:34 |
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Ddraig posted:Public sectors should probably be the best paying sectors because they're sort of the things that keep society going, you know? If every doctor or nurse went on strike tomorrow, things would be in such poo poo there would be riots on the street. Which is why they're trying to make it absurdly difficult to do both effectively and legally.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 18:34 |
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Hey guys, I've just found some Islamist terrorists who spend hundreds of pounds per year to prevent GCHQ from reading online communications in transit. …Oh.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 18:43 |
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What happens if you click on "Volunteer" on the Conservative Party homepage? I daren't try myself.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 18:48 |
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KKKlean Energy posted:What happens if you click on "Volunteer" on the Conservative Party homepage? I daren't try myself. IDS materializes from the darkness behind you and whispers sweet nothings in your ear
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 18:50 |
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Renaissance Robot posted:Cameron's blathering about legacy of debt the other day made me think: isn't it about time for someone to be asking what the point is? I keep mentioning this, but running a surplus is literally taking money out of the private economy. It's additional taxation for the sake of it. It's saying 'we, the government, can make better use of this capital than you, the private sector, can'. The whole thing is anathema to conservatives in general, which is why I don't believe for a second they actually intend to run a surplus. They'll do exactly what conservatives want to do - reduce the state and the public sector to a shadow of its former self, through cuts and privatisation, until it's cheap to run because there's nothing left. Then they'll say 'we did it everyone, we beat the deficit - we don't need all this tax revenue now, tax cuts for everyone!' Serco and Circle and friends will run whatever services the government deems necessary for the country, everything else will be a distant memory that future generations will laugh hollowly at. Grandpa, you and your stories! Guaranteed healthcare without even having to pay when you need it? Someone's been at the Cyberludes again e- I like how all the action buttons on that Tory site are Labour red. I'm in!
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 18:50 |
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So Jack Munroe did a thing in the Guardian today on crisp sandwiches, and mentioned her favoured choice of filling. Naturally, I had to ask: Hrm. Thread Hero/History's Greatest Monster status confirmed, or is Lib Dem fence sitting itself an automatic fail now? KKKlean Energy posted:What happens if you click on "Volunteer" on the Conservative Party homepage? I daren't try myself.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 19:08 |
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Out of interest why did you censor your name there?
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 19:16 |
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thehustler posted:Out of interest why did you censor your name there? Because I'm an idiot who thought I probably should do? I use my real name on my profile but it's not like it would be hard to trace. Twitter etiquette is hard okay Edit: stickyfngrdboy posted:What good would that do, if anyone cared enough they'd follow the timeline on the other party Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jan 13, 2015 |
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Seaside Loafer posted:My point here is I don't understand why the MOD couldn't have just hired the people they needed and done it themselves instead of the whole tender/bidding bullshit, they had the needed infrastructure and I know for a fact the initial requirements were not met but worked around through legalise This is pretty much what happened with gov.uk, outsourcing was dumped for a dedicated office of talented staff which in turn saved them millions and created a very successful (probably the most successful government IT projects this country has ever had) and extremely well designed product for which they have since won awards for.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 19:38 |
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Kegluneq posted:Because I'm an idiot who thought I probably should do? I use my real name on my profile but it's not like it would be hard to trace. Twitter etiquette is hard okay Yeah, I mean you left your Twitter username up there. So it seems like you should have hidden that as well?
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 19:45 |
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, I mean you left your Twitter username up there. So it seems like you should have hidden that as well? What good would that do, if anyone cared enough they'd follow the timeline on the other party
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 19:48 |
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KKKlean Energy posted:What happens if you click on "Volunteer" on the Conservative Party homepage? I daren't try myself.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 19:53 |
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A loving article in the Guardian about crisp loving sandwiches. I like salad cream in mine mmm.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 20:07 |
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Pissflaps posted:A loving article in the Guardian about crisp loving sandwiches. dirty bastard
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Pissflaps posted:A loving article in the Guardian about crisp loving sandwiches. Perhaps sir would like to learn how to make toast? http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jan/09/how-to-make-toast-the-jamie-oliver-way
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 20:16 |
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baka kaba posted:Then they'll say 'we did it everyone, we beat the deficit - we don't need all this tax revenue now, tax cuts for everyone!' I doubt this bit somehow.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 20:34 |
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OwlFancier posted:I thought they shut it down a few decades ago? Otherwise I'd have mentioned it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire_Poacher_(numbers_station) says 2008. Of course, that is just Wikipedia
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 20:40 |
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feedmegin posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire_Poacher_(numbers_station) says 2008. Of course, that is just Wikipedia I haven't heard it in years on the usual frequencies.
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