Wii U General - Gaming Dad: "It's better to lose as Bowser than win as Toad"

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Ms. Unsmiley: Feb 13, 2012

Mighty Dicktron posted:

I like, skeletons, and getting owned by skeletons

i like skeletons, as well

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Heran Bago: Aug 18, 2006

Awesome! posted:

it's like the master encryption key. if it were really leaked you would be able to break the console's security wide open

this is what happened with the ps3

Yeah decryption. Now on-disc files can be poked around, but not edited and rebuilt. There are encrypted Wii U backups so now people can view their file systems. Maybe in time it will happen with the system files and a PS3 scenario isn't too far away, but still not guaranteed. The key itself is not enough for piracy or homebrew.

DrPaper posted:

It has and some people already have. That's why we've been able to crack open and change all this stuff in Mario Kart and Smash. There was just a video last week of the unused 4th custom moves for fighters (all hitboxless animations) in Smash.

E: Nevermind this wasn't with the encryption key, but it has been leaked.

The Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros. hackers have never revealed how they did what they did. I also don't know how the people on tcrf.net have found unused stuff. There was another important key before this and there's one more to go.
That Smash video is cool though! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ce9K1xaaAY

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:30

Suaimhneas: Nov 19, 2005; That's how you get tinnitus

I guess that means it'll be possible to break the region lock, like with a modded Wii? That'll be nice if Atlus ever decide to make a Wii U game

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:34

Mercury Crusader: Apr 20, 2005; You know they say that all demons are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Pyro Jack and you can see that statement is not true, hee-ho!

Please buy officially licensed Nintendo Wii U video game software so that Nintendo can continue developing cute games, thank you.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:46

Fremry: Nov 4, 2003

Ultigonio posted:

Well first of all the other dude you quoted is a dumb (no offense, man). DaS isn't some miracle of game design, but there's a lot of really stellar stuff done in it, both in terms of boss fighting and area layout. I suppose that, from the standpoint of someone who loves games but enjoys them fairly casually, sure, it's as simple as "This game is really hard I almost want to give it up but man I feel so good when I win!!!" But if you look past that, you'll find a game that's 2 parts well-designed and structured, and 1 part kind of a mess (Bed of Chaos, Lost Izalith, the final boss, that crystal area, Tomb of Giants ugghhhh). Holding it against many other games I've played, I think that it stands up quite tall, however. It doesn't have the consistent level of quality that I've come to expect from, say, Nintendo, I guess, but a game is allowed to have faults, even many faults, without being trash, especially when what it does well is generally done very well.

Also the comparison of Dark Souls to CoD is completely nonsensical. Dark Souls is designed primarily as a single-player experience, and very specific combat encounters with very specific level layouts play very specifically into that. Please stop making me defend a PS3/PC game in the Wii U thread, TIA.

The 3 Dark Souls/Demons Souls games do next to nothing to advance them. Even then, they are very generic "fantasy" type games. None of those games have any inspiring art direction, just like COD has absolutely no inspiring art direction. They both get by on being slightly different generic versions of their genre. COD keeps its audience by making them play multiplayer and level for no discernible reason. Dark/Demon Souls does the same thing except single player. The story doesn't matter, the settings are less than a dime a dozen, and the combat, especially bosses, are difficult for the sake of being difficult, for again no reason beyond "this is what makes videogame/strategy addicts run."

It's 3 games of bland settings, bland visuals, less than bland story, and deliberately frustrating combat. Throw in just enough micro managing, and it's the McDonalds hamburger of action RPGs in form and selective enough in difficulty to guarantee a formula that is easily digestible enough in artistic direction for everyone and addictive enough in difficulty/reward to keep those same people hooked.

To use the comparison I just invoked, it's a McDonalds hamburger, as deliberately formulaic in its blandness and addictiveness, only to a different consumer. It's a mediocre game that has maximized its reward response in those people that are susceptible to it. It's a McDonalds hamburger:

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:48

majormonotone: Jan 25, 2013

Fremry posted:

The 3 Dark Souls/Demons Souls games do next to nothing to advance them. Even then, they are very generic "fantasy" type games. None of those games have any inspiring art direction, just like COD has absolutely no inspiring art direction. They both get by on being slightly different generic versions of their genre. COD keeps its audience by making them play multiplayer and level for no discernible reason. Dark/Demon Souls does the same thing except single player. The story doesn't matter, the settings are less than a dime a dozen, and the combat, especially bosses, are difficult for the sake of being difficult, for again no reason beyond "this is what makes videogame/strategy addicts run."

It's 3 games of bland settings, bland visuals, less than bland story, and deliberately frustrating combat. Throw in just enough micro managing, and it's the McDonalds hamburger of action RPGs in form and selective enough in difficulty to guarantee a formula that is easily digestible enough in artistic direction for everyone and addictive enough in difficulty/reward to keep those same people hooked.

To use the comparison I just invoked, it's a McDonalds hamburger, as deliberately formulaic in its blandness and addictiveness, only to a different consumer. It's a mediocre game that has maximized its reward response in those people that are susceptible to it. It's a McDonalds hamburger:

you're really angry about video games

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:49

Tracula: Mar 26, 2010; PLEASE LEAVE

Fremry posted:

The 3 Dark Souls/Demons Souls games do next to nothing to advance them. Even then, they are very generic "fantasy" type games. None of those games have any inspiring art direction, just like COD has absolutely no inspiring art direction. They both get by on being slightly different generic versions of their genre. COD keeps its audience by making them play multiplayer and level for no discernible reason. Dark/Demon Souls does the same thing except single player. The story doesn't matter, the settings are less than a dime a dozen, and the combat, especially bosses, are difficult for the sake of being difficult, for again no reason beyond "this is what makes videogame/strategy addicts run."

It's 3 games of bland settings, bland visuals, less than bland story, and deliberately frustrating combat. Throw in just enough micro managing, and it's the McDonalds hamburger of action RPGs in form and selective enough in difficulty to guarantee a formula that is easily digestible enough in artistic direction for everyone and addictive enough in difficulty/reward to keep those same people hooked.

To use the comparison I just invoked, it's a McDonalds hamburger, as deliberately formulaic in its blandness and addictiveness, only to a different consumer. It's a mediocre game that has maximized its reward response in those people that are susceptible to it. It's a McDonalds hamburger:

Did a Souls game kill your dog or something?

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:50

ChaosArgate: Oct 10, 2012; Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

If you wanna go complain about the Souls games, do it in any of the Souls games' threads or in PYF's things dragging games down thread. Please leave the hate out of the thread about cute games for cute gamers.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:50

Ibram Gaunt: Jul 22, 2009

Fremry posted:

The 3 Dark Souls/Demons Souls games do next to nothing to advance them. Even then, they are very generic "fantasy" type games. None of those games have any inspiring art direction, just like COD has absolutely no inspiring art direction. They both get by on being slightly different generic versions of their genre. COD keeps its audience by making them play multiplayer and level for no discernible reason. Dark/Demon Souls does the same thing except single player. The story doesn't matter, the settings are less than a dime a dozen, and the combat, especially bosses, are difficult for the sake of being difficult, for again no reason beyond "this is what makes videogame/strategy addicts run."

It's 3 games of bland settings, bland visuals, less than bland story, and deliberately frustrating combat. Throw in just enough micro managing, and it's the McDonalds hamburger of action RPGs in form and selective enough in difficulty to guarantee a formula that is easily digestible enough in artistic direction for everyone and addictive enough in difficulty/reward to keep those same people hooked.

To use the comparison I just invoked, it's a McDonalds hamburger, as deliberately formulaic in its blandness and addictiveness, only to a different consumer. It's a mediocre game that has maximized its reward response in those people that are susceptible to it. It's a McDonalds hamburger:

Finally, someone had the balls to to say what we were all thinking.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:51

Zore: Sep 21, 2010; willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d�etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Fremry posted:

The 3 Dark Souls/Demons Souls games do next to nothing to advance them. Even then, they are very generic "fantasy" type games. None of those games have any inspiring art direction, just like COD has absolutely no inspiring art direction. They both get by on being slightly different generic versions of their genre. COD keeps its audience by making them play multiplayer and level for no discernible reason. Dark/Demon Souls does the same thing except single player. The story doesn't matter, the settings are less than a dime a dozen, and the combat, especially bosses, are difficult for the sake of being difficult, for again no reason beyond "this is what makes videogame/strategy addicts run."

It's 3 games of bland settings, bland visuals, less than bland story, and deliberately frustrating combat. Throw in just enough micro managing, and it's the McDonalds hamburger of action RPGs in form and selective enough in difficulty to guarantee a formula that is easily digestible enough in artistic direction for everyone and addictive enough in difficulty/reward to keep those same people hooked.

To use the comparison I just invoked, it's a McDonalds hamburger, as deliberately formulaic in its blandness and addictiveness, only to a different consumer. It's a mediocre game that has maximized its reward response in those people that are susceptible to it. It's a McDonalds hamburger:

I think Dark Souls evangelists are annoying as gently caress.

This is still the stupidest thing I've ever seen posted about Dark Souls, and by far the dumbest thing posted in a thread where you have dozens of people who post white noise 'cute games!!!!!!!' constantly.

Congrats.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:52

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

This isn't cute. This isn't cute at all.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:53

Fremry: Nov 4, 2003

majormonotone posted:

you're really angry about video games

Nope, just been playing videogames for 27 years and am extremely tired of mediocre games that are considered great because people can't tell when a game is good and when a game is addictive. By the same criterion, Candy Crush is, literally, the best video game that has ever been made.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:53

Motto: Aug 3, 2013

One time I played Demon's Souls for a few hours and it was pretty fun. I should get back to it sometime.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:55

Wild Knight: Mar 27, 2010; Foul villain! I do not flee. I will never turn my back on you and run away!

[he says, running away]

Dark Souls is a Good Game but everyone who talks Dark Souks positive or negative are literally The Worst.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:56

Cloks: Feb 1, 2013; by Azathoth

Fremry posted:

been playing videogames for 27 years

Please everyone post your video-game credentials if you wish to keep talking about cute games. Tia.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:56

a.lo: Sep 12, 2009

Fremry posted:

The 3 Dark Souls/Demons Souls games do next to nothing to advance them. Even then, they are very generic "fantasy" type games. None of those games have any inspiring art direction, just like COD has absolutely no inspiring art direction. They both get by on being slightly different generic versions of their genre. COD keeps its audience by making them play multiplayer and level for no discernible reason. Dark/Demon Souls does the same thing except single player. The story doesn't matter, the settings are less than a dime a dozen, and the combat, especially bosses, are difficult for the sake of being difficult, for again no reason beyond "this is what makes videogame/strategy addicts run."

It's 3 games of bland settings, bland visuals, less than bland story, and deliberately frustrating combat. Throw in just enough micro managing, and it's the McDonalds hamburger of action RPGs in form and selective enough in difficulty to guarantee a formula that is easily digestible enough in artistic direction for everyone and addictive enough in difficulty/reward to keep those same people hooked.

To use the comparison I just invoked, it's a McDonalds hamburger, as deliberately formulaic in its blandness and addictiveness, only to a different consumer. It's a mediocre game that has maximized its reward response in those people that are susceptible to it. It's a McDonalds hamburger:

I am going to play Dark SOuls now. Now I just gotta find my 369 Breakaway cable!

# ? Jan 14, 2015 03:57

sigher: Apr 22, 2008; My guiding Moonlight...

Fremry posted:

The 3 Dark Souls/Demons Souls games do next to nothing to advance them. Even then, they are very generic "fantasy" type games. None of those games have any inspiring art direction, just like COD has absolutely no inspiring art direction. They both get by on being slightly different generic versions of their genre. COD keeps its audience by making them play multiplayer and level for no discernible reason. Dark/Demon Souls does the same thing except single player. The story doesn't matter, the settings are less than a dime a dozen, and the combat, especially bosses, are difficult for the sake of being difficult, for again no reason beyond "this is what makes videogame/strategy addicts run."

It's 3 games of bland settings, bland visuals, less than bland story, and deliberately frustrating combat. Throw in just enough micro managing, and it's the McDonalds hamburger of action RPGs in form and selective enough in difficulty to guarantee a formula that is easily digestible enough in artistic direction for everyone and addictive enough in difficulty/reward to keep those same people hooked.

To use the comparison I just invoked, it's a McDonalds hamburger, as deliberately formulaic in its blandness and addictiveness, only to a different consumer. It's a mediocre game that has maximized its reward response in those people that are susceptible to it. It's a McDonalds hamburger:

You know, one of my problems with Dark Souls is that mostly everything is brown and grey high-fantasy poo poo that's been done to death but there's some really unique environments and bosses in the games that awesome but you sound really really loving angry about the games.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:07

Fremry: Nov 4, 2003

Wild Knight posted:

Dark Souls is a Good Game but everyone who talks Dark Souks positive or negative are literally The Worst.

Dark Souls is not a good game. It's a mediocre game, and I'm always incredibly surprised when people who are critical of other games don't say it. It's not a bad game, it's a 5/10 game. It's acceptable.

Art direction? Tired, extremely bland and absolutely without a doubt derivative. No enemy in that game goes beyond the creative mind of "stick (fantasy creature) to (fantasy creature)." Demon Souls is sooooo dark that you can't even see the bland derivative settings and creatures of Dark Souls 1 and 2. Make combat sluggish and then base your weapon and armor system on micro managing how much more sluggish that combat becomes, and TAH-DAH!!! Apparently that makes an A+ game!

I hate fantasy games, and there is no fantasy game I've ever encountered that was less inspired in design or story than those games.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:08

Ultigonio: Oct 26, 2012; Well now.

Fremry posted:

Nope, just been playing videogames for 27 years and am extremely tired of mediocre games that are considered great because people can't tell when a game is good and when a game is addictive. By the same criterion, Candy Crush is, literally, the best video game that has ever been made.

Dark Souls is really not an addictive game, in my experience. It is a single-player experience first and foremost. I acknowledge that the reason the game is as popular as it is is quite cheap (welcome to common consumption of video games!), but that doesn't mean the game itself is inherently cheap or shallow.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:09

Probad: Feb 24, 2013; I want to believe!

Dark Souls is tearing us apart! Hurry, Nintendo Direct�save the thread!

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:13

Fremry: Nov 4, 2003

Ultigonio posted:

Dark Souls is really not an addictive game, in my experience. It is a single-player experience first and foremost. I acknowledge that the reason the game is as popular as it is is quite cheap (welcome to common consumption of video games!), but that doesn't mean the game itself is inherently cheap or shallow.

But it is, and you know it is. Especially as someone like you who likes strategy games, it does just enough of every genre it tries to be to be shallow. Nothing in that series of games beyond managing how grotesquely your character moves and attacks is deep.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:14

Wild Knight: Mar 27, 2010; Foul villain! I do not flee. I will never turn my back on you and run away!

[he says, running away]

you're only proving my point

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:15

bef: Mar 2, 2010; by Nyc_Tattoo

Fremry posted:

But it is, and you know it is. Especially as someone like you who likes strategy games, it does just enough of every genre it tries to be to be shallow. Nothing in that series of games beyond managing how grotesquely your character moves and attacks is deep.

Okay dude

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:18

Falsum: May 10, 2013; Crazy for the Bros

Fremry posted:

Dark Souls is not a good game. It's a mediocre game, and I'm always incredibly surprised when people who are critical of other games don't say it. It's not a bad game, it's a 5/10 game. It's acceptable.

Art direction? Tired, extremely bland and absolutely without a doubt derivative. No enemy in that game goes beyond the creative mind of "stick (fantasy creature) to (fantasy creature)." Demon Souls is sooooo dark that you can't even see the bland derivative settings and creatures of Dark Souls 1 and 2. Make combat sluggish and then base your weapon and armor system on micro managing how much more sluggish that combat becomes, and TAH-DAH!!! Apparently that makes an A+ game!

I hate fantasy games, and there is no fantasy game I've ever encountered that was less inspired in design or story than those games.

Woah you gotta micro-manage in an action game, my mind is blown.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:20

Hedrigall: Mar 27, 2008; by vyelkin

Captain Toad is nintnedo's Dark souls, dicsuss

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:20

Pixeltendo: Mar 2, 2012

So hey, how about that Nintendo direct tomorrow? Think we'll get Smash bros. info??

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:20

Ms. Unsmiley: Feb 13, 2012

Mighty Dicktron posted:

I like, skeletons, and getting owned by skeletons

i've been thinking about this, and more video games need skeletons that aren't enemies. whether its friendly npcs or playable characters or w/e, it would be nice to see skeletons treated with more respect, i think

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:21

greatn: Nov 15, 2006; by Lowtax

Someone just mentioned Dark Souls as a joke and this happens. Is this game series the games forum equivalent of mentioning Prometheus in Cinema Discusso?

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:23

Tracula: Mar 26, 2010; PLEASE LEAVE

greatn posted:

Someone just mentioned Dark Souls as a joke and this happens. Is this game series the games forum equivalent of mentioning Prometheus in Cinema Discusso?

I dunno. Just seems like one guy poo poo posting and needing to voice his opinion in a stickied thread.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:24

Fremry: Nov 4, 2003

Falsum posted:

Woah you gotta micro-manage in an action game, my mind is blown.

A bland bland action game that can only be called fantasy because it can't come up with enemies that haven't been used by the fantasy genre in the past 100 years. Also, they can't even steal fantasy settings beyond cave, temple and mountain.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:25

majormonotone: Jan 25, 2013

sharrrk posted:

i've been thinking about this, and more video games need skeletons that aren't enemies. whether its friendly npcs or playable characters or w/e, it would be nice to see skeletons treated with more respect, i think

let me tell you about roundabout

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:26

Ultigonio: Oct 26, 2012; Well now.

Fremry posted:

But it is, and you know it is. Especially as someone like you who likes strategy games, it does just enough of every genre it tries to be to be shallow. Nothing in that series of games beyond managing how grotesquely your character moves and attacks is deep.

I'll say again that Dark Souls is quite flawed, but when it elects to focus on what works - placement and tiered level design - it excels. When it tries to be about reflex or, God forbid, platforming, it falls flat on its butt. But the pace at which the game progresses is quite brisk, and the general layout of the world and how it interconnects makes it very satisfying to explore and understand. It's why the first part of the game is generally considered much better than the second

God dangit I meant the second

Ultigonio fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Jan 14, 2015

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:26

PaletteSwappedNinja: Jun 3, 2008; One Nation, Under God.

Mummies are cooler than skeletons and Captain Toad is full of mummies.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:27

Ms. Unsmiley: Feb 13, 2012

majormonotone posted:

let me tell you about roundabout

i've played it. its a good game with a good skeleton. other game developers should take note

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:27

Fremry: Nov 4, 2003

Ultigonio posted:

I'll say again that Dark Souls is quite flawed, but when it elects to focus on what works - placement and tiered level design - it excels. When it tries to be about reflex or, God forbid, platforming, it falls flat on its butt. But the pace at which the game progresses is quite brisk, and the general layout of the world and how it interconnects makes it very satisfying to explore and understand. It's why the first part of the game is generally considered much better than the first.

What do you mean by placement and tiered level design? I can't stand the level design (convoluted for the sake of being convoluted), or the actual settings which are the most boring settings I've seen in a game since the descructible walls of the original Red Faction for PS2.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:35

All Frogs: Sep 18, 2014

majormonotone posted:

let me tell you about roundabout

Roundabout is a good game. I need to finish it.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:35

ONE YEAR LATER: Apr 13, 2004; Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!; Oven Wrangler

Close thread until 9am EST please mod.

e: thx

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:36

Zore: Sep 21, 2010; willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d�etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Or, and this is just a thought, Fremry takes bitching about Dark/Demon Souls to one of the five current threads in games alone solely dedicated to talking about them and shuts the gently caress up in the WiiU thread. A system the games are not on and will never be on.

# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:38

Fremry: Nov 4, 2003

Someone has an opinion that isn't super happy! Close the thread!

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Austrian mook: Feb 24, 2013; by Shine

Shut the gently caress up about Dark Souls, guy who continues to write paragraph after paragraph about it.

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