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Some YG kids got me back my wallet more than any cop has ever done for me. Protected.me too, when the cops cracked down on corner kids is the only time someone who wasn't a cop physically assaulted me.
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Shbobdb posted:Some YG kids got me back my wallet more than any cop has ever done for me. Protected.me too, when the cops cracked down on corner kids is the only time someone who wasn't a cop physically assaulted me. I bet a local gang wouldn't make fun of you for getting raped.
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Jan 14, 2015 02:49
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Being a dude makes that less of a concern for me, but my wife is a social worker who deals with rape survivors and the cops ain't no picnic. It isn't perfect, but I'd trust local talent over cops. Granted, neither can do much.
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Jan 14, 2015 02:52
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Shbobdb posted:See, it's all the same gig. Cops are gangsters and gangsters protect the neighborhood. I'll go with the local boys every time.
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Jan 14, 2015 03:29
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captainblastum posted:Wow. One of the GiP cops just admitted to covering up a rape like it was a funny story: Research the elements of the crime of sexual assault (may be labeled differently in your state). When you've successfully identified all the required elements and state of mind required to charge the offense, review the scenario that was posted and identify whether or not the elements of the crime and mental state were present and probable cause exists for an arrest or warrant.
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Jan 14, 2015 03:44
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Cmdr. Shepard posted:Research the elements of the crime of sexual assault (may be labeled differently in your state). When you've successfully identified all the required elements and state of mind required to charge the offense, review the scenario that was posted and identify whether or not the elements of the crime and mental state were present and probable cause exists for an arrest or warrant. And, if you decide that no probable cause exists, proceed to ridicule the "victim" on the internet.
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Jan 14, 2015 03:58
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Cmdr. Shepard posted:Research the elements of the crime of sexual assault (may be labeled differently in your state). When you've successfully identified all the required elements and state of mind required to charge the offense, review the scenario that was posted and identify whether or not the elements of the crime and mental state were present and probable cause exists for an arrest or warrant. Even if the state of mind is somehow wrong, you do not loving mock the person or someone who likely has the experience and formation to get what is, exactly, sexual assault due to experience that doesn't amount to awkwardly waving guns at rape survivors and making sexually charged jokes and passes at arrested prostitutes.
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Jan 14, 2015 04:07
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Cmdr. Shepard posted:Research the elements of the crime of sexual assault (may be labeled differently in your state). When you've successfully identified all the required elements and state of mind required to charge the offense, review the scenario that was posted and identify whether or not the elements of the crime and mental state were present and probable cause exists for an arrest or warrant. http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7178&context=jclc quote:However, on January 6, 2003, the Not applicable everywhere, but yes, seems to be illegal in a lot of places (at least from what cursory research I did), and certainly not a hilarious anecdote about it not being "rape rape" to share with your friends.
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Jan 14, 2015 04:14
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Grey Fox posted:I hate paying two parties for the same service, though. That's why I'm all for the elimination of the police. Plus, gangbangers are a lot less threatening. If I have a beef with a gangbanger, that doesn't show up on my record for the sake of employment. If I have a beef with a cop, it could. I've been lucky with the DA but that is never a guarantee.
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Jan 14, 2015 04:15
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SurgicalOntologist posted:And, if you decide that no probable cause exists, proceed to ridicule the "victim" on the internet. I imagine the rub is the woman would have to press charges? There is still so much awesome cop in that story: 1) Ridiculing potential victims. 2) Making sure everyone knew he got to big time a doctor. The jealous little man syndrome on display. 3) Casual racism.
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Cmdr. Shepard posted:Research the elements of the crime of sexual assault (may be labeled differently in your state). When you've successfully identified all the required elements and state of mind required to charge the offense, review the scenario that was posted and identify whether or not the elements of the crime and mental state were present and probable cause exists for an arrest or warrant. quote:The effort of reformers over the last several decades has led to the http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7410&context=jclc Some shithole states still require a victim to physically resist to escalate an incident to sexual assault. Saying "No" isn't enough. Got to get yourself a black eye and a broken nose before the government cares enough to believe a victim.
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Jan 14, 2015 04:32
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Guys. Never listen to doctors talk about their patients in the break room.
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I for one am shocked that there are posters in GiP might possibly have a problem recognizing and empathizing with rape victims. Absolutely shocked. http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/09242013_Statutory_Enforcement_Report_Sexual_Assault_in_the_Military.pdf
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Vahakyla posted:Guys. Never listen to doctors talk about their patients in the break room. I mean what with HIPPA and all..
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Jan 14, 2015 06:24
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Vahakyla posted:Guys. Never listen to doctors talk about their patients in the break room. Doctors have a much lower rate of thrill-kills per capita.
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Jan 14, 2015 07:13
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I think you'll see that if you look at the law this traumatized person isn't technically a rape victim. Furthermore,
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Jan 14, 2015 07:19
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I will never really judge people for black humor. When Public Defenders go out to lunch we try to not sit near people. We've joked about worse, but then our jokes are actually funny.
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Jan 14, 2015 07:20
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Was he actually trying to be funny? I thought he was just complaining about a doctor (who didn't understand the law) telling him how to do his job.
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Jan 14, 2015 07:22
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I know an army medic on Facebook, his idea of comedy is a picture of a guy getting a catheter inserted through a bullet hole in his throat. edit: and the usual "stupid civilians think THIS!" stuff. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Jan 14, 2015 |
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Jan 14, 2015 07:24
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nm posted:I will never really judge people for black humor. When Public Defenders go out to lunch we try to not sit near people. We've joked about worse, but then our jokes are actually funny. Really anyone who deals with other people directly for work will do similar things. I consider it generally harmless venting. It's really context and outcome that makes the distinction. Ex. "I'm gonna shoot this guy in the penis with a shotgun." and then the guy ends up shot with that shotgun. repeating fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Jan 14, 2015 |
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Jan 14, 2015 07:25
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KernelSlanders posted:Was he actually trying to be funny? I thought he was just complaining about a doctor (who didn't understand the law) telling him how to do his job. I dunno, cop humor is iffy to begin with.
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Jan 14, 2015 07:26
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repeating posted:Anyone who deals with...really anyone who deals with other people directly for work will do similar things. I consider it generally harmless venting. It's really context and outcome that makes the distinction. Ex. "I'm gonna shoot this guy in the penis with a shotgun." and then the guy ends up shot with that shotgun. I know lots of folks with jobs that give them dark humor but what they find funny is also usually insightful. And supposedly the punchline was that it was a Pakistani doctor that was shocked by the poor treatment of a rape victim.
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Nonsense posted:Police Departments should stop purchasing loving Dodge Chargers & Ford Taurus, the officers emerge cranky because of those clown cars. Oh the other side, non-cops should stop purchasing crown vics. I hate that moment of "Oh poo poo, cop behind me and I'm going 8 mph over! Oh wait, it's just some dude with bad taste in cars."
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PostNouveau posted:Oh the other side, non-cops should stop purchasing crown vics. I hate that moment of "Oh poo poo, cop behind me and I'm going 8 mph over! Oh wait, it's just some dude with bad taste in cars." I live next door to a guy who sells all kinds of drugs out of his garage and one day I noticed that an all black Crown Vic with blacked out windows had been parked across the street almost every day and with a bit of paranoia assumed it was an undercover cop watching the place. Turns out it belongs to the neighbor's friend who comes over every day to sell weed while hanging out, makes it pretty easy to know when I can pickup. 
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Jan 14, 2015 11:06
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PostNouveau posted:Oh the other side, non-cops should stop purchasing crown vics. I hate that moment of "Oh poo poo, cop behind me and I'm going 8 mph over! Oh wait, it's just some dude with bad taste in cars." Aren't they so widespread from police departments putting old crown vics on police auction where people get them cheap? And some departments pamper their vehicles if they can so they might not feel that worn.
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Jan 14, 2015 15:06
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"Homeboy" is like a hundred times more transparent than "thug".
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KernelSlanders posted:Was he actually trying to be funny? I thought he was just complaining about a doctor (who didn't understand the law) telling him how to do his job. He seems genuinely confused about the sexual assault statute in question. Even with the bare bones force + lack of consent = rape statute, I've yet to find a jurisdiction where absent some pretty special facts, plowing someone in the rear end after they say stop is legal. It's not like there's a no take backsies rule in rape.
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Jan 14, 2015 16:32
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Technically it's sodomy, depending on the state. Still a felony and at the very very least you do a report and turn it over to a Detective.
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Hardbody posted:Technically it's sodomy, depending on the state. Still a felony and at the very very least you do a report and turn it over to a Detective. assuming the state differentiates sexual assault from forcible sodomy, but the definitions of force are, in my experience, the same in both and are interpreted pretty liberally. Like there's case law that say a person's superior size is "implied force" (as well it should because a person who doesn't fight back because she's afraid of making her attacker angry and violent but says "no" nonetheless should still be protected. No means no. Not a hard concept.)
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My point was more that the law has some really silly definitions of rape in some states.
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Hardbody posted:My point was more that the law has some really silly definitions of rape in some states. yeah, but you have to look to the case law too.
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Just sayin' , there are some states where it is legally impossible for a man to be raped (rape requires carnal knowledge). That tends to blow a lot of people's minds. That said, you usually just charge the suspect with Aggravated Sodomy or Sexual Battery.
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Hardbody posted:Just sayin' , there are some states where it is legally impossible for a man to be raped (rape requires carnal knowledge). That tends to blow a lot of people's minds. That said, you usually just charge the suspect with Aggravated Sodomy or Sexual Battery. right, but the point is that there is a substantive equivalent...so whether it's "rape" "sexual assault" "sexual abuse" "sexual battery" "forcible sodomy" or whatever, it's still illegal to keep loving someone who said no. I got admittedly sloppy in my terminology, but my point was that the facts described above are still illegal so telling the doctor "whatever...there wasn't force so he gets to plow her butt" was not correct. If that's not true in Canada, remind me never to move to the great white northern rapeland.
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ActusRhesus posted:right, but the point is that there is a substantive equivalent...so whether it's "rape" "sexual assault" "sexual abuse" "sexual battery" "forcible sodomy" or whatever, it's still illegal to keep loving someone who said no. I got admittedly sloppy in my terminology, but my point was that the facts described above are still illegal so telling the doctor "whatever...there wasn't force so he gets to plow her butt" was not correct. I'm not disagreeing with you that no means no. We are agreeing with each other.
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Hardbody posted:I'm not disagreeing with you that no means no. We are agreeing with each other. I know. I just like to hear myself talk.
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ActusRhesus posted:I just like to hear myself talk.
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Not to be disruptive but the pigs in GIP hate this thread and probably conspired to take its last iteration down (as if this isn't common knowledge) In other words, keep up the good work! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Drad_Bert posted:Not to be disruptive but the pigs in GIP hate this thread and probably conspired to take its last iteration down (as if this isn't common knowledge) power hungry bullies defend other power hungry bullies, film at 11
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ActusRhesus posted:He seems genuinely confused about the sexual assault statute in question. Even with the bare bones force + lack of consent = rape statute, I've yet to find a jurisdiction where absent some pretty special facts, plowing someone in the rear end after they say stop is legal. It's not like there's a no take backsies rule in rape. A Pakistani doctor was trying to tell him a woman was raped. There's nothing in that sentence his sensibilities could abide.
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If you wonder why police respond to situations the way they do: “[Dinkheller] was polite and gave the [Brannan] every possible chance to comply, and for his troubles he was shot nine times in the chest, abdomen, arms and legs. Then he had the killer stand over him and say “die fucker!” and was executed by a shot to the right eye. That video was then played to every new cop in the country. Every cop can find a bit of himself in Deputy Dinkheller. “If there was ever a moment when a young cop said “Oh poo poo…this is for real, this isn’t just a way to get out of speeding tickets and retire at 55″ it’s from watching that video for the first time” said Officer Valentine. http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/01/the-man-responsible-for-the-dashcam-video-that-changed-everything-has-been-executed/ And then just from a few weeks ago: http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/27842220/2015/01/13/police-camera-shows-final-moments-before-man-killed-flagstaff-officer Polite and reasonable just like you all want the police to be, and he's killed in an instant.
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