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MrBling posted:Wolves have bought future Arsenal superstar Benik Afobe. Arsenal's youth academy is loving dire, should come as no surprise to anyone.
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TelekineticBear! posted:Arsenal's youth academy is loving dire, should come as no surprise to anyone. But Gideon Zelalem is the next Jack Wilshere!
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Jan 14, 2015 14:57
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I'm starting to worry that Kevin Nolan's transfer from West Ham to Free Transfer might not be happening this window
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Jan 14, 2015 15:00
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sassassin posted:But Gideon Zelalem is the next Jack Wilshere! it's amazing how everyone used to make jokes about Wenger and his youth policy, but Arsenal have produced 2 players in the past 20 years or whatever, one being Ashley Cole and the other being Wilshere. Its a loving embarrassment for a club the size of Arsenal with their resources to produce gently caress all talent. In terms of premier league talent produced, Leeds embarrass them in the past 10 years or so, they should be ashamed.
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Jan 14, 2015 15:05
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Jan 14, 2015 15:19
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TelekineticBear! posted:it's amazing how everyone used to make jokes about Wenger and his youth policy, but Arsenal have produced 2 players in the past 20 years or whatever, one being Ashley Cole and the other being Wilshere. Its a loving embarrassment for a club the size of Arsenal with their resources to produce gently caress all talent. In terms of premier league talent produced, Leeds embarrass them in the past 10 years or so, they should be ashamed. You missed out Gibbs who's a bit shite but still, he's playing for the third best team in England. Szczesny and Fabregas should count too imo.
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Jan 14, 2015 15:19
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Blue Star Error posted:You missed out Gibbs who's a bit shite but still, he's playing for the third best team in England. Szczesny and Fabregas should count too imo. I did forget Gibbs, but theres no way Fabregas should count thats for sure. Signing a 16 year old and slotting them into the first team isn't exactly Arsenal produced, it'd be like saying Sterling is a Liverpool youth player ffs, same goes for Szczesny he just made less of an impact.
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Jan 14, 2015 15:25
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I'd agree with that for Walcott or Chamberlain but Fabregas and Szczesny both spent time in the youth team iirc. I think i probably would say Sterling counts for Liverpool he never played for QPR and spent two years in Liverpool's youth system.
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Jan 14, 2015 15:29
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Arsene has developed a lot of raw talent into really good players, it doesn't really matter whether he started working with them when they were 12 or 16 or 21 he still has a really good record of spotting and developing talent
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Jan 14, 2015 15:34
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Then injuring it haha
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Jan 14, 2015 15:35
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Costa Rican frontman and show host Celso Borges to Deportivo La Coruña is a done deal. http://www.aikfotboll.se/Article.aspx?contentID=9005 http://www.canaldeportivo.com/servlet/es.iris.servlets.Noticias?accion=4&ver=1&nid=29497&mid=12
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Jan 14, 2015 15:41
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The Independent are talking about Man City being in for Jay Rodriguez.
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Jan 14, 2015 15:44
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Total Meatlove posted:The Independent are talking about Man City being in for Jay Rodriguez. Surely silly season?
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Jan 14, 2015 16:13
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Blue Star Error posted:You missed out Gibbs who's a bit shite but still, he's playing for the third best team in England. Szczesny and Fabregas should count too imo. Gibbs was signed from Wimbledon at 16/17 or whatever. Same with Fabregas and Szcz. Under Wenger Arsenal have produced lots of players that were poached as teenagers but only two academy products of their own. Not the best record, but easily comparable to the other top clubs. There's a lot of Arsenal academy players in the premier league and the other big leagues in europe depending on how you define an academy product. Even Harry Kane spent time at Arsenal ffs
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Jan 14, 2015 16:16
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TheGoatFeeder posted:Surely silly season? Cheap(ish), English, left footed, one in two last season, probably wouldn't want the world in wages to get you under FFP. Spend £300m on Messi or £25m on Milner mkII. but yer of course it's silly season.
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Jan 14, 2015 16:18
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More than English, he's an English guy with a Spanish name. This fits so perfectly well into the Barcafication project.
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Jan 14, 2015 16:21
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I guess if Jovetic was to go it might make sense, just seems well out of left field
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Jan 14, 2015 16:27
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kcer posted:£70k pw and a 3yr contract at age 32, not bad Imagine what he would have gotten at QPR.
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Jan 14, 2015 16:36
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Shrapnig posted:Imagine what he would have gotten at QPR. I started to imagine this and my hands started moving toward my thighs on their own
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Jan 14, 2015 16:37
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Chuggo the bone love reaching for his own bone with his tiny brush I wish we'd sign a defender
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Jan 14, 2015 16:39
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The Big Taff Man posted:Chuggo the bone love reaching for his own bone with his tiny brush if you want a manchester united defender lvg could always give ninpo a call haha
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Jan 14, 2015 16:42
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tbp posted:if you want a manchester united defender lvg could always give ninpo a call haha
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Jan 14, 2015 16:43
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MrBling posted:Wolves have bought future Arsenal superstar Benik Afobe. A few years ago I went along to the FA youth cup final at the Emirates (Arsenal demolished Liverpool) and that was supposed to be the first team that had been brought through from kids completely under Wenger's system and would be core of the all british team he was building who played football The Arsenal Way Here's the line up and (Current Club) 1 England James Shea (AFC Wimbledon) 2 England Craig Eastmond (Colchester United) 3 England Thomas Cruise (Torquay United) 4 England Kyle Bartley (Birmingham City) 5 England Emmanuel Frimpong (Football Club Ufa, Russia PL) 6 England Luke Ayling (Bristol City) 7 England Henri Lansbury (Nottingham Forrest) 8 France Francis Coquelin (Arsenal) 9 France Gilles Sunu (Lorient, Ligue Un) 10 England Jack Wilshere (Arsenal) 11 England Jay Emmanuel-Thomas (c) (Bristol City) Substitutes: 12 England Rhys Murphy (Dagenham & Redbridge) 14 England Sanchez Watt (Colchester United) 15 Republic of Ireland Conor Henderson (Crawley Town) 16 Cameroon Cedric Evinar (Doncaster Rovers) I suppose apart from the 2, they were all actually garbage?
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Jan 14, 2015 16:50
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Who are the two?
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Jan 14, 2015 16:56
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The Big Taff Man posted:Who are the two? Wilshere and Frimpong
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Jan 14, 2015 16:58
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Yeah even 1 is a stretch, don't tell me Coquelin is your second.
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Jan 14, 2015 16:58
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Yeah even 1 is a stretch, don't tell me Coquelin is your second. He is at least playing in the Arsenal first team tbf, whether he's any good or not is another matter
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Jan 14, 2015 16:59
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Jan 14, 2015 16:59
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Total Meatlove posted:The Independent are talking about Man City being in for Jay Rodriguez. It sort of makes sense if Milner is leaving as he fulfills a HG slot, but the guy hasn't played for nearly a year and by the way people are talking down here he might not play this season. Huge gamble on his ability after the injury as well.
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Jan 14, 2015 17:01
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euroboy posted:Gibbs was signed from Wimbledon at 16/17 or whatever. Same with Fabregas and Szcz. Yeah, it's about the same as most other teams. The "Arsenal Youth System" (tm) was mostly about buying promising players when they're young and cheap and letting them develop, but they haven't been doing that as much recently. I remember seeing somewhere that the club recognized that the academy wasn't in great shape and wanted to do a complete overhaul.
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Jan 14, 2015 17:02
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Middlesbrough superstar Daniel Ayala played for Liverpool in that game
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Yeah even 1 is a stretch, don't tell me Coquelin is your second. I just meant that they're active players still playing for the club whilst the majority aren't even in top flight football anywhere.
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Jan 14, 2015 17:07
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blue footed boobie posted:Yeah, it's about the same as most other teams. The "Arsenal Youth System" (tm) was mostly about buying promising players when they're young and cheap and letting them develop, but they haven't been doing that as much recently. I remember seeing somewhere that the club recognized that the academy wasn't in great shape and wanted to do a complete overhaul. Yeah they let Liam Brady go and replaced him with Jonker whos doing his thing
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Jan 14, 2015 17:16
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Kyle Bartley has done alright as Swansea's fourth best centre back this season.
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Jan 14, 2015 17:18
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EvilHawk posted:It sort of makes sense if Milner is leaving as he fulfills a HG slot, but the guy hasn't played for nearly a year and by the way people are talking down here he might not play this season. Huge gamble on his ability after the injury as well. I agree, Rodriguez really relied on his pace last season when he was great and everyone noticed him, who knows if he will have retained that and I think clubs will wait and see before going for him.
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Jan 14, 2015 17:31
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euroboy posted:Yeah they let Liam Brady go and replaced him with Jonker whos doing his thing I thought he supported Bayern
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Jan 14, 2015 17:44
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Adnar posted:A few years ago I went along to the FA youth cup final at the Emirates (Arsenal demolished Liverpool) and that was supposed to be the first team that had been brought through from kids completely under Wenger's system and would be core of the all british team he was building who played football The Arsenal Way Same but for the Liverpool side they faced 1 Australia Dean Bouzanis (Western Sydney Wanderers) 2 England Karl Clair (Marine FC) 3 Germany Christopher Buchtmann (St Pauli) 4 Spain Daniel Ayala (Middlesbrough) 5 England Joe Kennedy (c) (retired) 6 England Andre Wisdom (WBA on loan from Liverpool) 7 England David Amoo (Carlisle) 8 England Steven Irwin (retired?) 9 Finland Lauri Dalla Valle (Crewe Alexandra) 10 England Tom Ince (Forest on loan from Hull) 11 Sweden Alexander Kačaniklić (FC Copenhagen on loan from Fulham) Substitutes: 12 England Nathan Eccleston (Partick Thistle) 13 England Deale Chamberlain (Solihull Moors last season, retired?) 14 England Michael Roberts (retired?) 15 Scotland Alex Cooper (Falkirk) 16 England Jack Robinson (Huddersfield on loan from QPR) I don't like it.
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Not to say that it couldn't be better, but there is no academy churning out superstars constantly. Even Ajax mostly just creates functional players these days. Academies are just a roll of the dice where most of the time you lose, but occasionally something decent comes up. To expect Permier League quality players straight out of any academy is always going to be a rarity. That said, Arsenal's academy fell behind the pack a bit when they started getting real money again and buying the players they needed rather then trying to create them. I think Jonker's overhaul is very welcome, but to expect a constant stream of superstars is a pipe dream.
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Edmund Honda posted:
I've got some bad news for you
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Still B.A.E posted:I've got some bad news for you I didn't have the heart to tell him.
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