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RyokoTK posted:The whole point is that, in the subforum Debate and Discussion, when you're posed a question, hopefully you have a response other than "um... well, uh... I don't think this is the place to go into it..." A solution would have to involve a lot of fundamental changes to what we do, and it would be a long difficult process. If you want a quick easy answer, then probably a global conversation with other countries about how Africa as a whole has many issues because of centuries of exploitation. Giving these nations aid, assisting with development, and trying to get rid of the leadership that are just corrupt, self-interested tyrants. Some kind of actual plan. Oh wait, that isn't quick nor easy. It's almost like this is a complex problem with no single, simple answer. 
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Exclamation Marx posted:Yes, a blurry photo of a page with Derf among others was posted upthread. Hopefully Kurtofan or somebody else can get their hands one one and post it here. The more I see this one, the more i like it. It's such a good metaphor.
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quote:Ted Rall @TedRall  I can't wait!!
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Stultus Maximus posted:Yes, noted government website "twitter".
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colonel_korn posted:
Watch Rall misinterpret them completely. I bet he's just going to draw a cartoon to be offensive for offensiveness sake.
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Apple Pie Hubbub posted:
CATHOLIC LEAGUE Is this a return to the "Popists  " of yore?
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Rorus Raz posted:The answer was a pretty succinct "we dunno." Basically this. And nobody is demanding that we come up for an answer for police reform or election reform or the dozens of other topics that get brought up continuously in this thread, it's only when it comes to Nigeria and the political cartoon remarking about how nobody even noticed that the snarky "Well, what are we supposed to do about it?" one-liners start hitting.
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Kurtofan posted:CATHOLIC LEAGUE Nah, Donahue and the Catholic League are immense assholes who need to just schism with SSPX already.
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I don't mind discussing stuff, but "How do we fix the situation in Nigeria?" is a difficult topic that really demands its own thread (and there is a thread about the massacre)
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loquacius posted:If you don't have any better ideas, then yeah, don't talk poo poo. Even R Mute's "just burn the fucker down" post was at least an answer. lmao
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Bicyclops posted:Basically this. And nobody is demanding that we come up for an answer for police reform or election reform or the dozens of other topics that get brought up continuously in this thread, it's only when it comes to Nigeria and the political cartoon remarking about how nobody even noticed that the snarky "Well, what are we supposed to do about it?" one-liners start hitting. I wasn't being snarky, though. I'm loving aware that it's a complex issue that doesn't have a simple answer. Other people were posting about how "oh well maybe America shouldn't just drop bombs on all its problems," and maybe rather than dropping pithy truth-bombs like that you could actually Debate and Discuss the issue being brought up. At least with Latuff, if someone asked him, "hey, what would you like to see done about Boko Haram," he'd have an answer, even if it wasn't a good one. That's where the discussion goes.
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Rorus Raz posted:The answer was a pretty succinct "we dunno." Question, how do you know this ideal hypothetical ten-dimensional-chess solution isn't already in the works, and it just so happens that none of the steps involves saying a whole bunch of highly public and visible words, at least at this point? I ask because the entirety of the discussion when I started participating was "nobody in the west cares about this enough to do something about it but so help me they'd better not try to intervene directly either "e: I'm basically with RyokoTK on this; all either of us were attacking was bad posting. I do not want to start bombing any additional country. loquacius fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jan 14, 2015 |
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colonel_korn posted:Several cartoonists including JJ McCullough and Ann Telnaes did some photo essays on the CH shooting for Bors' site: https://medium.com/the-nib/laugh-cry-be-offended-ba8f59553c79 All of those were really good, even (and especially) JJ's.
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loquacius posted:Question, how do you know this ideal hypothetical ten-dimensional-chess solution isn't already in the works, and it just so happens that none of the steps involves saying a whole bunch of highly public and visible words, at least at this point? I ask because the entirety of the discussion when I started participating was "nobody in the west cares about this enough to do something about it but so help me they'd better not try to intervene directly either
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Uh, if you guys aren't for murdering all cops, then maybe you could propose a solution for fixing the police problem, you know besides "eliminate all racism for social justice?" Really not digging these abstract answers that don't propose actual wins for society.
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Grey Fox posted:He's calling for the internment of all Muslims in the US, right? That's what this garbage is saying in a terribly roundabout way, isn't it? I assumed this was a nuke the Muslims and let God sort them out cartoon.
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How about some commentary from everyone's favorite anarchist cartoonist? "This handy little document enables the bearer to commit blatant acts of violence, discrimination, and intolerance towards people of Middle Eastern and African descent, without being called racist. Bill Maher says, get yours today!"
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Broken Cog posted:Watch Rall misinterpret them completely. I bet he's just going to draw a cartoon to be offensive for offensiveness sake. My guess: American newspaper editors gunning down a room full of political cartoonists. "We wouldn't want to offend anyone!" says one, as his arm juts out at an unnatural angle.
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Bicyclops posted:Uh, if you guys aren't for murdering all cops, then maybe you could propose a solution for fixing the police problem, you know besides "eliminate all racism for social justice?" Really not digging these abstract answers that don't propose actual wins for society. Introduce an independent body to investigate every time a police officer kills a person to ensure it was actually necessary, because having the police investigate themselves has proven unsurprisingly ineffective. Police will still be racist, but they'll be less likely to get away with killing people over it. Not a perfect solution, but a step forward and also an answer beyond "keep naming ideas until I hear one that meets my standards  "
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loquacius posted:Introduce an independent body to investigate every time a police officer kills a person to ensure it was actually necessary, because having the police investigate themselves has proven unsurprisingly ineffective. Police will still be racist, but they'll be less likely to get away with killing people over it. Not a perfect solution, but a step forward and also an answer beyond "keep naming ideas until I hear one that meets my standards all your posts are smug as gently caress, could you stop? thanks
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Broken Cog posted:Watch Rall misinterpret them completely. I bet he's just going to draw a cartoon to be offensive for offensiveness sake. Ted Rall has never been killed for one of his cartoons, and he knows just the man to change that.
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Taciturn Tactician posted:Uh, what? He came forward and put himself at personal risk to expose the organization's criminal actions, at that point saying he's still complicit in them is kind of disingenuous. He stops being complicit from that point onward but it doesn't erase his past transgressions. We don't let petty criminals walk just because they came forward with their involvement either. And considering that Snowden's revelations did not lead to anyone else actually being charged he's not even useful as a high-profile state's witness and therefore without anything that should migitate his complicity.
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loquacius posted:"keep naming ideas until I hear one that meets my standards This is literally what you are asking people to do, though, and my point is that the only time that people do it is when we address areas of the world which have been ignored.
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Bicyclops posted:This is literally what you are asking people to do, though, and my point is that the only time that people do it is when we address areas of the world which have been ignored. The only solutions put forth are on the level of 'bring about world peace' and 'invent a source of infinite energy' solutions. Sorry if some people don't see that happening any time soon.
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Bicyclops posted:This is literally what you are asking people to do, though, and my point is that the only time that people do it is when we address areas of the world which have been ignored. This is because, when Latuff criticizes American police for being racist shitheads, no one wastes this thread's time with stunning insight like "all America has to do is stop being racist." Leave that poo poo to the cartoons. If all you want to do is post the first snide remark that pops into your head, then 
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Stultus Maximus posted:Yes, noted government website "twitter". In fairness, Chip Bok is a moron. He has, however, mastered DreamWorks Face: 
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RyokoTK posted:This is because, when Latuff criticizes American police for being racist shitheads, no one wastes this thread's time with stunning insight like "all America has to do is stop being racist." Leave that poo poo to the cartoons. No one's solution has been "end colonialism using a time machine," either, though, except sarcastically to prove the point that military intervention is the only good option. Involving international players in a discussion about aid and education is what others have brought up, which yes, is simplistic, because this is complicated enough that only first step measures are going to be the purview of the cartoon thread.
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Bicyclops posted:Involving international players in a discussion about aid and education is what others have brought up, which yes, is simplistic, because this is complicated enough that only first step measures are going to be the purview of the cartoon thread. Honestly even that would have been fine, but none of the posts I was actually objecting to got even that far.  like, even just "Step One of how to properly deal with Boko Haram would be to do X" where X is something as simple as diplomatic pressure to implement more democratic processes in the region would have been better than "here we go again, the West only knows how to explode things  "
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loquacius posted:Honestly even that would have been fine, but none of the posts I was actually objecting to got even that far. I said more or less exactly the same thing, word for word, already  It just had more of a disclaimer about how this was not enough and it would take time.
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That dad is one smug looking cyclops. "Heh, check out my 9-year old, he watches Fox News all day!"
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Bicyclops posted:I said more or less exactly the same thing, word for word, already All I've been saying is that taking too much time in a situation where 2000 people are getting killed in a week is something to avoid and things that would actually work in time to save people wouldn't please anyone here no matter what form they took, which is apparently the same as saying "no posts unless you know literally everything" because hail satan
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The Avenging Uterus is indeed Bors' character. quote:
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BerkerkLurk posted:The terrorists attacked because they couldn't understand the English signage. hosed up if true. "Ne Pas de Guns" there are you happy
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