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What's the Big 12? E: More like the Little 10.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Mark Dantonio should start slowly sneaking finely ground glass into Urban Meyer's meals But who's gonna keep Schillinger in line when Meyer is gone?
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Jan 14, 2015 20:48
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If TCU or Baylor went to the playoffs instead of Ohio State, we're looking at Alabama vs. Oregon again.
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Jan 14, 2015 20:49
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NippleFloss posted:Wisconsin's ranking is a loving joke, they lost to LSU and barely beat Auburn which means they should probably be ranked in the 20s, if at all. Don't forget Northwestern...
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Jan 14, 2015 20:50
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Komet posted:If TCU or Baylor went to the playoffs instead of Ohio State, we're looking at Alabama vs. Oregon again. TCU would have loving clowned Oregon, Alabama or FSU
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Jan 14, 2015 20:51
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Komet posted:The dumbest part is the Big XII fans are dumping on the team that won it all by obliterating their last three opponents. gently caress, if you're going to dump on somebody, dump on the committee for putting FSU in, when they were clearly just more lucky than good. At the end of the day, FSU had been undefeated for 2 seasons and was the reigning champ. Staying unbeaten last year (granted, even with some incredibly fortunate wins) guaranteed they were gonna make the playoffs.
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Jan 14, 2015 20:52
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Mark Dantonio should start slowly sneaking finely ground glass into Urban Meyer's meals So, sand?
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Jan 14, 2015 20:52
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Idk, however they did it in Oz.
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Jan 14, 2015 20:53
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Idk, however they did it in Oz. Who's Beecher? Wannstedt?
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Jan 14, 2015 20:55
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UAB is the super-aging drug plot line. gone, buried, forgotten.
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Jan 14, 2015 20:56
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Mahoning posted:I've always thought that, all things being equal, that who you beat is way more important than who you lose to. People say, "But Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech" and I recall how horrible "best loss" is as a metric. Remember that Notre Dame used that metric to pretend they weren't going to get killed by a good Ohio State team the year of the Bush Push. EDIT: I loving hate this shitass run-on sentence, but it stays. EDIT 2: No, it doesn't. Beforehand fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jan 14, 2015 |
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Jan 14, 2015 20:57
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Spacemonkey57 posted:TCU can join the club with other deserving one loss teams that were shut out in favor of another one loss team. That's happened to pretty much every decent P5 team other than Alabama. This is completely unfair. A lot of Alabama's championships come from years where despite being the best team we were unfairly locked out of the championship game despite only losing like 3 games in the SEC
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Jan 14, 2015 20:58
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Hey remember when LSU lost twice in 07 to unranked teams in overtime and still got a chance to win a title? So whatever losses don't matter if you can prop them up with enough "quality victories" and a good name brand.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:03
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Hey remember when LSU lost twice in 07 to unranked teams in overtime and still got a chance to win a title? So whatever losses don't matter if you can prop them up with enough "quality victories" and a good name brand. In terms of W/L the only team that was a better option to face OSU was an undefeated Hawaii who had the 3rd worst SOS in the country. It wasn't just quality victories, it was an odd year where no other team had a better record. Who would you have put into that game over LSU? Hawaii? Of the 2 loss teams, LSU had the best resume and went into the game.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:06
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go3 posted:TCU would have loving clowned Oregon, Alabama or FSU Not Ohio State though. 
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Jan 14, 2015 21:07
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go3 posted:TCU would have loving clowned Oregon, Alabama or FSU
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Jan 14, 2015 21:08
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go3 posted:TCU would have loving clowned Oregon, Alabama or FSU even baylor could've won, especially against alabama (no secondary, sucks, from lovely conference) or oregon (baylor/tcu clone with worse/similar defense) or fsu (poo poo team from poo poo conference). baylor basically did win. in fact they are champiuons. but even if theyre not they barely lost to a good team and could've beaten any team there if the winds have blown differently or if the refs decided not to call a foul on the runner because he was a little too rough to the weakling defense while protecting the ball, baylor bitch
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Jan 14, 2015 21:08
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anne frank fanfic posted:even baylor could've won, especially against alabama (no secondary, sucks, from lovely conference) or oregon (baylor/tcu clone with worse/similar defense) or fsu (poo poo team from poo poo conference). baylor basically did win. in fact they are champiuons. but even if theyre not they barely lost to a good team and could've beaten any team there if the winds have blown differently or if the refs decided not to call a foul on the runner because he was a little too rough to the weakling defense while protecting the ball, baylor bitch Can we stop saying that Alabama was in a poo poo conference. You can say it was in a poo poo division, afterall the SEC East was undefeated in bowl games. Don't know why you all are hung up on the west so much when the East is clearly carrying the conference and its brand.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:11
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Dak Prescott announces he's coming back, Marcus Mariota announces he's gone.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:11
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swickles posted:Can we stop saying that Alabama was in a poo poo conference. You can say it was in a poo poo division, afterall the SEC East was undefeated in bowl games. Don't know why you all are hung up on the west so much when the East is clearly carrying the conference and its brand. I think that was actually South Carolina playing Ohio State.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:12
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Mississippi State lost 3 embarrassing games and are still over-ranked pretenders, and Mariotta wasted a year chasing a natty instead of getting paid and all he got was a stupid heisman that will make everyone call him a bigger bust UAB should be declared national champions since they're the only team with a reason for being locked out of the playoffs that wasn't their team's fault. Dragons, bitch.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:17
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JT Jag posted:Actually all of the SEC East and West schools secretly switched jerseys for bowl season to see if anyone would notice. They did. If it was South Carolina Ohio State would have found a way to lose, that's what Ohio State does vs. South Carolina (and also Clemson apparently). The VT loss being the worst loss by a national champion thing comes with the huge caveat that the playoff is the only thing that made it possible for a team with a loss that bad to even play for a national championship. In the past they would have ended up #2 at best.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:23
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swickles posted:Can we stop saying that Alabama was in a poo poo conference. You can say it was in a poo poo division, afterall the SEC East was undefeated in bowl games. Don't know why you all are hung up on the west so much when the East is clearly carrying the conference and its brand. The East also by far had the harder OOC schedule during the season. They played 7 teams from power 5 conferences, 6 of whom were ranked (with UGA playing 2 of them themselves). West played 4, 2 of whom were ranked.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:24
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swickles posted:Can we stop saying that Alabama was in a poo poo conference. You can say it was in a poo poo division, afterall the SEC East was undefeated in bowl games. Don't know why you all are hung up on the west so much when the East is clearly carrying the conference and its brand. Because the SEC is a garbage conference for garbage people and every team is bad and terrible and any Big/Pac-XII/12 team could shithouse every SEC team because they are good conferences and not frauds like the SEC, and in fact the SEC is lucky to even be considered D-IA now considering how abysmal they are for being huge stinky losers. Fact.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:27
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SEC more like Sunbelt Easymode Conference
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Jan 14, 2015 21:29
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Beforehand posted:People say, "But Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech" and I recall how horrible "best loss" is as a metric. Remember that Notre Dame used that metric to pretend they weren't going to get killed by a good Ohio State team the year of the Bush Push. I agree with your overall point, best loss is a stupid metric. However, Ohio State didn't kill Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl. It was a 7 point game until Antonio Pittman broke off a huge run to seal it with a few minutes left. Don't forget that a Tom Zibikowski fumble return for a TD was called back after instant replay ruled that Anthony Gonzalez didn't maintain possession long enough for it to be a fumble and ruled it incomplete. That would have completely changed the game. The better team won that day, but I was at that game and get really annoyed when people pretend it was a blowout. It was a really close, good game for like 3.5 quarters.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:30
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Spacemonkey57 posted:The VT loss being the worst loss by a national champion thing comes with the huge caveat that the playoff is the only thing that made it possible for a team with a loss that bad to even play for a national championship. In the past they would have ended up #2 at best. Yeah they mention that at the end. Last year, this would have likely sent them to the Rose Bowl against Oregon while FSU played Bama.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:33
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WSU finally hired a defensive coordinator. allegedly http://www.cougcenter.com/wsu-cougars-football/2015/1/14/7546975/alex-grinch-wsu-football-defensive-coordinator quote:The wait for a defensive coordinator at Washington State looks like it's over after a month and a half as FootballScoop.com is reporting WSU is hiring Missouri safeties coach Alex Grinch as its defensive coordinator. uhhhhhhhh  yeah. yeah, this is going to work out. definitely. mizzou fans please give me some reason to believe this won't be an unmitigated disaster of a hire
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Jan 14, 2015 21:34
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Well the last Mizzou safeties coach who left for a DC gig was Barry Odom, so there you go!
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Jan 14, 2015 21:39
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swickles posted:In terms of W/L the only team that was a better option to face OSU was an undefeated Hawaii who had the 3rd worst SOS in the country. It wasn't just quality victories, it was an odd year where no other team had a better record. Who would you have put into that game over LSU? Hawaii? Of the 2 loss teams, LSU had the best resume and went into the game. I think it's p obvious who I think should have gone in based on my avatar. VT had 2 losses to the #2 teams in the country at the time, avenged the BC loss in the ACCCG. Our losses were subjectively better, came earlier in the season, and we avenged one of them in a rematch. So yeah I think we should have gotten our shot over a team that couldn't put away Kentucky & Arkansas with no QB. Ignoring the egg we laid in the OB (which I think we would have prepped for differently had it been a BCS title game), at the end of the season I think we had a better resume. gently caress that SEC BIAS. My point was really just trying to back up that losses eventually matter less than the wins you make over the season when coupled with some brand recognition. The allure of LSU or OSU as a brand with history helps them overcome what should otherwise be "impossible to overcome" losses. The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jan 14, 2015 |
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Jan 14, 2015 21:41
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Groucho Marxist posted:Well the last Mizzou safeties coach who left for a DC gig was Barry Odom, so there you go! *searches Barry Odom on wikipedia* *no such page exists* hmm
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Jan 14, 2015 21:44
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JT Jag posted:I mean, TCU lost to Baylor, Baylor also lost, the Big 12 doesn't have a proper tiebreaker to determine these sorts of situations anymore, because they don't have a championship game and their old tiebreaker was highest ranked in the BCS. And they refused to declare head to head as the deciding factor in the event of a tie of two highest ranked teams. And the selection committee isn't ok with co-champions. So I guess we'll just never know how TCU could have done in the playoff! Keep fantasizing though. Maybe next year. Hope for an eight team playoff, maybe there'll be an autobid for the Big 12 Actually 10 Though then! Baylor had the official tiebreaker but the official tiebreaker was irrelevant vis a vis the playoffs.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:46
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He was the guy who made Memphis have a rad defense out of nowhere and now he's the new DC at Mizzou.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:47
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The Notorious ZSB posted:I think it's p obvious who I think should have gone in based on my avatar. VT had 2 losses to the #2 teams in the country at the time, avenged the BC loss in the ACCCG. Our losses were subjectively better, came earlier in the season, and we avenged one of them in a rematch. So yeah I think we should have gotten our shot over a team that couldn't put away Kentucky & Arkansas with no QB. Ignoring the egg we laid in the OB (which I think we would have prepped for differently had it been a BCS title game), at the end of the season I think we had a better resume. gently caress that SEC BIAS. Yeah, Alabama would have beaten Utah and Oklahoma in a beatdown had it been for the title. /kentucky was admittedly a bad loss, but losing to the best RB in college football and a really good offense wasn't as egregious as you make it seem. LSU still had solid wins over some very good teams. Virginia Tech's losses were worse, which leads back to the age old argument of which is better: good losses vs. bad wins.
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Jan 14, 2015 21:57
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swickles posted:which leads back to the age old argument of which is better: good losses vs. bad wins. So would you rather have Charlie Weis at Notre Dame or Bo Pelini at Nebraska?
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Jan 14, 2015 22:08
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Both of LSUs losses were in triple OT, and Kentucky was ranked 17th at the time (since you're using BCs ranking at the time of their win over VT). LSU also didn't lose by six touchdowns to the teams they went ahead of, so...
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Jan 14, 2015 22:18
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swickles posted:Yeah, Alabama would have beaten Utah and Oklahoma in a beatdown had it been for the title. /kentucky was admittedly a bad loss, but losing to the best RB in college football and a really good offense wasn't as egregious as you make it seem. LSU still had solid wins over some very good teams. Virginia Tech's losses were worse, which leads back to the age old argument of which is better: good losses vs. bad wins.
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Jan 14, 2015 22:28
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JT Jag posted:Some teams might lose good. Some times might win bad. The argument of Ohio State versus TCU was not good losses versus bad wins, however. It was a bad loss, singular, and multiple good wins versus a good loss, singular, and what was perceived as "bad wins". The team with the better wins on its resume was more impressive to the committee than the team with the better loss. If Ohio State hadn't blown the gently caress out of Wisconsin, TCU probably would have gotten in. I am not making a single argument about this year, who should have been in or what. I am only responding to the notion that LSU shouldn't have been in the NCG in 2007. Thats all. I care nothing about TCU or Baylor or anything about them.
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Jan 14, 2015 22:33
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swickles posted:I am not making a single argument about this year, who should have been in or what. I am only responding to the notion that LSU shouldn't have been in the NCG in 2007. Thats all. I care nothing about TCU or Baylor or anything about them.
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swickles posted:Yeah, Alabama would have beaten Utah and Oklahoma in a beatdown had it been for the title. /kentucky was admittedly a bad loss, but losing to the best RB in college football and a really good offense wasn't as egregious as you make it seem. LSU still had solid wins over some very good teams. Virginia Tech's losses were worse, which leads back to the age old argument of which is better: good losses vs. bad wins. I guess I don't see how losing to the #2 team in the country twice can be worse losses (especially when we beat one of those 2 teams in a rematch) than to an unranked team that couldn't complete forward passes, and a Kentucky squad that while ranked finished the season unranked. BC and LSU were top 15 teams after the season concluded, so how are those worse losses? I know the answer is perception and we can agree to disagree about that metric, we didn't get in and we didn't win a title so it's irrelevant. Personally I wanted to see VT/LSU rematch because I felt like that OSU squad wasn't very good despite their record. And we were a much better team by seasons end than we were in week 2 much like OSU this season.
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