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The one shot Nigeria had of getting the West to collectively give a poo poo about it was it's burgeoning oil industry out in the Gulf of Guinea. However between that stagnating from organized crime, piracy, and good old fashioned African corruption, and the rise of cheap American fracking oil, they are on their own.
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Jan 15, 2015 06:09
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Equine Don posted:Didn't Nigeria refuse military assistance? IIRC, Goodluck Jonathan wanted us to come in and solve all of his problems for him and told us to gently caress off when it became evident that all we really wanted to offer was intelligence and drone strikes.
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Jan 15, 2015 06:23
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Godholio posted:I love ancient mil hist and even I didn't read most of that. For you plebeians, that was the Melian Dialogue from the Thucydides classic History of the Peloponnesian War. It's basically the OG description of what is now known today in IR theory as realism. If you're too lazy to read the whole thing here's the key takeaway: "while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." Zeroisanumber posted:IIRC, Goodluck Jonathan wanted us to come in and solve all of his problems for him and told us to gently caress off when it became evident that all we really wanted to offer was intelligence and drone strikes. Also we were planning on putting some relatively minor restrictions on that stuff along the lines of "you aren't going to be able to use this to help you completely wipe out entire villages in the northeast." He didn't like that.
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Jan 15, 2015 06:53
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Those goddamn imperialists putting strings on their billions of dollars
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iyaayas01 posted:Also we were planning on putting some relatively minor restrictions on that stuff along the lines of "you aren't going to be able to use this to help you completely wipe out entire villages in the northeast." ManMythLegend posted:good old fashioned African corruption
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Jan 15, 2015 07:13
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Apparently the Nigerian govt gets upset when people have the audacity to point out that Nigerian security forces have been responsible for just as many (if not more) deaths of non-combatants as Boko Haram. And not like "oops we droned a wedding" non-combatants, we're talking "we took every 'military-age male' in a village, lined them up outside of town, made them dig their own graves, and then slit their throats. Also we filmed the entire thing."
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iyaayas01 posted:Apparently the Nigerian govt gets upset when people have the audacity to point out that Nigerian security forces have been responsible for just as many (if not more) deaths of non-combatants as Boko Haram. Shouldn't we be making them fight each other while we take all their resources?
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iyaayas01 posted:Apparently the Nigerian govt gets upset when people have the audacity to point out that Nigerian security forces have been responsible for just as many (if not more) deaths of non-combatants as Boko Haram. it kind of worked for russia?
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Jan 15, 2015 08:47
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Nostalgia4Ass posted:Shouldn't we be making them fight each other while we take all their resources? Yes, and whoever's left alive can then be shipped out to say, Iraq, where they'll act as local bogeymen and distract the natives from your nefarious colonial dealings.
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Jan 15, 2015 08:55
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Nostalgia4Ass posted:Shouldn't we be making them fight each other while we take all their resources? So status quo then?
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Jan 15, 2015 09:01
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isn't china all up in africa's poo poo for resources and not us?
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Bolow posted:isn't china all up in africa's poo poo for resources and not us? Yea but thats like an open secret because its problematic in a highly institutional way to notice non westerners doing things like that.
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Jan 15, 2015 09:11
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Bolow posted:isn't china all up in africa's poo poo for resources and not us? They are there too, yes. To say that we, as in "American companies" are not is an overstatement. In reality it's more that China gives zero shits about the nature of who they're dealing with. They don't care if it's a legitimate government (  ) or some local, genocidal warlord whereas western companies worry about blowback so it takes more effort for them to hide it.
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Jan 15, 2015 09:14
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China is kind of behind the 8 ball in that they are in 18th century "I dont care how many child soldier's hands you cut off deliver the rubber now" looting mode while US companies are in "Hey knock it off or we'll bribe someone else" mode.
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Also Western companies also have to (in theory) at least pretend to find a way around whatever law(s) from their country they're breaking by doing business with human rights violators, Chinese companies get active encouragement from their government to deal with those types as long as they're offering the best deal.
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A massive amount of the resources that are taken from Africa by unscrupulous slopes end up in Western pockets anyway, all the Manganese in Gabon gets bought up by the Chinese and the majority of it ends up in the US.
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Jan 15, 2015 13:03
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Satelite imagegry from Nigeria showing one of the villages where 2000 people has been massacred the last weeks:
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RonMexicosPitbull posted:Well all we're doing with France is saying 'wow thats bad.' We had the "wow thats bad" moment for Nigeria when they stole all those girls. Now they just need the political will to go kill the poo poo out of them. hey, you guys remember when we asked them nicely on facebook and twitter to bring back all those girls and then they went and started using them as suicide bombers instead? ManMythLegend posted:The one shot Nigeria had of getting the West to collectively give a poo poo about it was it's burgeoning oil industry out in the Gulf of Guinea. However between that stagnating from organized crime, piracy, and good old fashioned African corruption, and the rise of cheap American fracking oil, they are on their own. I went to college with a Nigerian guy who loved to point out how wrong the US was for invading Afghanistan (but not Iraq for some reason) and how much better life in Nigeria was. Then I found out that his dad cozied up to a bunch of generals during the Nigerian Civil War and used it to get exclusive drilling rights for a large amount of their oil supply, which explains how this kid wound up attending one of the most expensive schools in the US despite being eligible for exactly zero financial aid and not having a scholarship. psydude fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Jan 15, 2015 |
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Everytime I see pictures of wrecked poo poo in Oklahoma all I can think of is the old NES game Tiger Heli from my youth because the first two levels were just you blowing up houses and Russian tanks in the 'burbs.  The 80s were pretty cool
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Tiger Heli owned except the game just repeated once you got to the "end". No congrats or game over or anything! Not that I ever could have made it that far without cheats in the first place but come on!
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Fart Sandwiches posted:Tiger Heli owned except the game just repeated once you got to the "end". No congrats or game over or anything! Not that I ever could have made it that far without cheats in the first place but come on! The size of these games averaged a couple hundred kilobytes, and you want an end screen squeezed in? Use your imagination kid. 
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Oh France http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/french-comedian-to-be-tried-after-charlie-hebdo-gag/ar-AA8avJt?ocid=ansnewsreu11 quote:PARIS (Reuters) - A French comedian is to be tried on suspicion of glorifying terrorism after writing on Facebook he felt "Charlie Coulibaly", a word play combining the widespread "I am Charlie" vigil slogan and the name of one of the three gunmen.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30840160 It looks like the Belgians are getting in on the act. quote:Two people have been killed in an anti-terror operation in the Belgian town of Verviers, media reports citing officials say.
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Riots in Armenia over [drunk, stoned, insane, all three] Russian soldier doing a Robert Bales on a family of civilians in the Russian garrison town of Gyumri. At least one killed, shots fired.
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Does africa ever have 'battles'? It seems like they just take turns committing murder
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Reverand maynard posted:Does africa ever have 'battles'? It seems like they just take turns committing murder They had loving trench warfare going on in the 90s between Ethiopia and Eritrea.
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Reverand maynard posted:Does africa ever have 'battles'? It seems like they just take turns committing murder Sometimes bands of the murdering child soldiers run into each other between villages they plan on setting ablaze. This is a good read - http://www.amazon.com/Long-Way-Gone-Memoirs-Soldier/dp/0374531269 - dude is a very good writer, but it's hard to tell how much of it he's making up versus "man that is more hosed up that humanely possible." Probably a mix of both. I took most of the events happening as real but was skeptical of his role in them, since his stories are basically about how he was the baddest most stone cold killer 12 year old possible. RonMexicosPitbull posted:Well all we're doing with France is saying 'wow thats bad.' We had the "wow thats bad" moment for Nigeria when they stole all those girls. Now they just need the political will to go kill the poo poo out of them. lol "All we need is the will, then we will be victorious against this nebulous concept and ever shifting group of people." Also pretty sure lots of people are being killed by us anyway. Best Friends fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Jan 15, 2015 |
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Reverand maynard posted:Does africa ever have 'battles'? It seems like they just take turns committing murder The Second Congo War was bloody as gently caress.
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Sometimes I wonder if Africa or the ME will ever get its poo poo together and consolidate, bit like the MEC in BF2. Then I pledge, slurring all the while, never to drink Green Russians again.
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WarpedNaba posted:Sometimes I wonder if Africa or the ME will ever get its poo poo together and consolidate, bit like the MEC in BF2. This is why I read this thread, the fact-driven analysis from people who've really lived it.
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I lived Battlefield 2. The J-10 is bullshit.
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Reverand maynard posted:Does africa ever have 'battles'? It seems like they just take turns committing murder What's your definition of battle, and what timeframe are you talking about?
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The Battle of Clit-Chop Hill.
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Understanding different cultures.
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priznat posted:I lived Battlefield 2. The J-10 is bullshit. yeah well I survived a Titan explosion in the future climate wars we all have burdens to carry
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VikingSkull posted:yeah well I survived a Titan explosion in the future climate wars
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I went to the VA for this headache, and now I've got cybernetic arms and legs. I never asked for this. 
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50 Foot Ant posted:I went to the VA for this headache, and now I've got cybernetic arms and legs. Don't go lifting anything crazy. You still have a normal back.
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