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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

drunkencarp posted:

Maybe I'm living in a fool's paradise but I think it's possible to be angry at Bank of America, Lehman Brothers, rich financial sector douchebags, etc, without it being code for antisemitism. Or is this like the thing where (some) Texans complain about "Canadians" on Facebook and "Canadian" is secret code for "black?"

It totally is. A lot of conspiracy theories have remained basically the same but with "bankers" swapped with "Jews.

It is, of course, possible to hate banks for reasons that aren't anti-semitism, but a far-right dude complaining about the Frankfurt School's baneful influence is probably just a crypto-racist.

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neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx

drunkencarp posted:

Maybe I'm living in a fool's paradise but I think it's possible to be angry at Bank of America, Lehman Brothers, rich financial sector douchebags, etc, without it being code for antisemitism.
Sure, of course it is. But there are weird turns of phrase and choices about how to talk about these problems. For example, to focus on "bankers" as human beings—essentially casting them as villains rubbing their hands together with glee—as opposed to the banks themselves as corporations that serve their shareholders. A "banker" is a person you can imagine and portray as wicked, whereas most of the evil that results from finance is just an inescapable systemic consequence of globalized technological capitalism. There's so much algorithmic trading and quant poo poo now that the bus has been driving itself off the cliff for 30 years.

Peztopiary
Mar 16, 2009

by exmarx
I mean let's not absolve people who work for the banks of responsibility. Somebody said 'Hey let's let the robot drive the bus.' and their are still people who could flip the off switch on the robot if they so chose. Jamie Dimon and the people at his level are absolutely complicit in the global economic collapses, because they aren't acting to stop them since that would cost them money. If people decide not to get into the profession because it is (rightly) derided that would be to the good.

VVV I guess I'm just of the opinion that the people at Bank of America who make the decisions that we're talking about when we say BoA is evil (the ones who sign off on the drug cartel accounts etc.) are evil. I don't actually think BoA itself is capable of malice, that's too much like recognizing it as a person. Ultimately it's the people who work at a place that are (morally) accountable for the actions it takes regardless of the legality. I think that's what the people who rage against bankers are saying, though they may be more or less articulate depending on circumstance. I guess it could be coded anti-Semitism, but it seems more like class war to me.

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neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx
Yeah, absolutely there are responsible parties. I just see those people more as run of the mill greedy, short-sighted pricks than as globe-hugging octopus men

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

Peztopiary posted:

I think that's what the people who rage against bankers are saying, though they may be more or less articulate depending on circumstance. I guess it could be coded anti-Semitism, but it seems more like class war to me.
A lot of them, yes, but an "international banking cabal" conducting globe-spanning, active, malicious conspiracies sounds way more anti-semitic than the more realistic alternative, a bunch of greedy assholes collectively digging a hole and hoarding the dirt.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat
Here's a thought, maybe idiots can apply the same mindset independently to either Jews or bankers?!?? Or even both? Or the Illuminati instead?

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Sham bam bamina! posted:

Here's a thought, maybe idiots can apply the same mindset independently to either Jews or bankers?!?? Or even both? Or the Illuminati instead?

That sounds like something a banker would say :crossarms:

neonnoodle
Mar 20, 2008

by exmarx
Look let's all agree it's the reptoids.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

Gone Phishing


neonnoodle posted:

Look let's all agree it's the reptoids.

Are the reptoids Jews, and if so, how devout?

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

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Tiberius Thyben posted:

Are the reptoids Jews, and if so, how devout?

Assuming this lizard in a kippah is also a banker then only moderately devout. I don't think they can grow those sweet sideburn curls you need to be fully orthodox.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

neonnoodle posted:

Look let's all agree it's the reptoids.

Wait, aren't they at war with the octopoids? :confuoot:

IslamoNazi posted:

Assuming this lizard in a kippah is also a banker then only moderately devout. I don't think they can grow those sweet sideburn curls you need to be fully orthodox.


:swoon:

Peztopiary
Mar 16, 2009

by exmarx
If they don't have external genitalia then they aren't circumcised so not very. Who knows anything about reptoid genitalia? (It's all of you, isn't it.)

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
Reptoids can't be Jewish, they aren't kosher.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Reptoids can't be Jewish, they aren't kosher.

Human meat isn't kosher, either.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
The draco-reptilian nonsense is simply the cover identity for the subterranean Vril empire, wake up sheeple.

Also, it's the Cathedral now, not International Bankers. Get with it.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Human meat isn't kosher, either.
What does that have to do with the Jews???

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Sham bam bamina! posted:

What does that have to do with the Jews???

By Jove, you're right!

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

neonnoodle posted:

Yeah, absolutely there are responsible parties. I just see those people more as run of the mill greedy, short-sighted pricks than as globe-hugging octopus men

Alan Moore posted:

The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless.

Treguna Mekoides
Jun 17, 2008

A witch is always a lady except when circumstances dictate otherwise.

drunkencarp posted:

Maybe I'm living in a fool's paradise but I think it's possible to be angry at Bank of America, Lehman Brothers, rich financial sector douchebags, etc, without it being code for antisemitism. Or is this like the thing where (some) Texans complain about "Canadians" on Facebook and "Canadian" is secret code for "black?"

I know it's a thing I've heard in the food service industry, but also I swear Freepers call black people something equally innocuous due to some news story but I can't find reference to it in the Freeper threads somehow. For more relevant content, I overheard an older guy at work talking earnestly with another bro-y 40-something guy about Tunney and Moldbug specifically. They both check infowars at work in between calls. This guy almost got fired for walking out in disgust when the new security guard asked to see his badge because he dresses like a goddamn hobo, even for callcenter work, because MAH RIGHTS. Somehow he didn't get fired? He is very angry about his ex wife "becoming a feminazi" and how the leadership at my center is super liberal and several men & women of color and white women are in the mix as supervisors and leads and such. I think it's a good thing, but their monotone, rambling asses have worked here so long they believe magically without interviewing they should be given a job promotion over "those types."

Just saying it's remarkable because I had no loving clue these people existed in the wild & that they weren't all twenty-something tech sector dingbats.

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Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
On Freep they call black people 'amish' because 'the news never mentions a suspect's race!'

Treguna Mekoides
Jun 17, 2008

A witch is always a lady except when circumstances dictate otherwise.

nucleicmaxid posted:

On Freep they call black people 'amish' because 'the news never mentions a suspect's race!'

THANK YOU. I couldn't find the source and felt a little loony trying to Google it. I thought about searching OKCupid for Dark Enlightenment buzzwords out of curiosity... but then I'd have to go onto OKCupid and search for DE buzzwords.

Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

Treguna Mekoides posted:

THANK YOU. I couldn't find the source and felt a little loony trying to Google it. I thought about searching OKCupid for Dark Enlightenment buzzwords out of curiosity... but then I'd have to go onto OKCupid and search for DE buzzwords.

I actually think that might turn up some 5 quality stuff

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell

nucleicmaxid posted:

On Freep they call black people 'amish' because 'the news never mentions a suspect's race!'

It leads to much amusement when Amish people do make the news for crimes.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
Its like the reverse of Sovereign Citizen word magic mumbo jumbo; I can say anything I want but not be racist as long as I don't actually use the big racist words! Bonus that I can call other people racist when they call me racist because I didn't use an actual racist word!

Lamprey Cannon
Jul 23, 2011

by exmarx

Alan Moore posted:


The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless.


Personally, I think it's more that we live in a world where we're constantly aware of the achievements of people who are way, way smarter than us, who might be better at the things we do than we could ever hope to be. So, in order to feel good about themselves, conspiracy theorists construct this narrative where *everybody else* is stupid and deluded 'sheeple', and they're the only ones who really see what's going on, allowing them to believe that they're smarter/better without actually doing anything to prove that.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Treguna Mekoides posted:

THANK YOU. I couldn't find the source and felt a little loony trying to Google it. I thought about searching OKCupid for Dark Enlightenment buzzwords out of curiosity... but then I'd have to go onto OKCupid and search for DE buzzwords.

DO IT. This could be the start of a great new (actually funny) tumblr.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Lamprey Cannon posted:

Personally, I think it's more that we live in a world where we're constantly aware of the achievements of people who are way, way smarter than us, who might be better at the things we do than we could ever hope to be. So, in order to feel good about themselves, conspiracy theorists construct this narrative where *everybody else* is stupid and deluded 'sheeple', and they're the only ones who really see what's going on, allowing them to believe that they're smarter/better without actually doing anything to prove that.

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

Jack Gladney posted:

DO IT. This could be the start of a great new (actually funny) tumblr.

I found 4 women who mention feminazi and stopped playing.

Wales Grey
Jun 20, 2012

IslamoNazi posted:

I found 4 women who mention feminazi and stopped playing.


22/F/Bergen

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Lamprey Cannon posted:

Personally, I think it's more that we live in a world where we're constantly aware of the achievements of people who are way, way smarter than us, who might be better at the things we do than we could ever hope to be. So, in order to feel good about themselves, conspiracy theorists construct this narrative where *everybody else* is stupid and deluded 'sheeple', and they're the only ones who really see what's going on, allowing them to believe that they're smarter/better without actually doing anything to prove that.

The people I've met who actually believe them have minds that tend to work in that schizophrenic kind of way where any little incidental pattern is amplified 100 times, like the pattern-matching parts of their brain are massively over-driven. Suddenly something completely meaningless like "these pictures of presidents are all at weird angles or have weird lighting that kinda-sorta make their eyes look funny if you squint" becomes "all of these presidents have weird eyes" and then "all of these presidents are secretly reptiles." Otherwise they've all been perfectly fine people :shobon:

Slime
Jan 3, 2007

...is that some kind of porno flick?

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Slime posted:

...is that some kind of porno flick?

no

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Slime posted:

...is that some kind of porno flick?

70's exploitation flick. So almost but not quite porn, almost but not quite torture porn, and just legit enough to see screenings in regular theaters when it was made.

Namarrgon
Dec 23, 2008

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!
Being the warden of a Nazi concentration camp at 22 sounds like those outrageous origin stories of an evil comic book villain.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Actually, a lot of the DE people in this thread are basically just a super-suit or industrial accident away from being a supervillain if you think about it. Probably not a coincidence that most of them love comics.

But a dominatrix is probably the closest thing to a real-life supervillain that actually exists.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jack Gladney posted:

Actually, a lot of the DE people in this thread are basically just a super-suit or industrial accident away from being a supervillain if you think about it. Probably not a coincidence that most of them love comics.

But a dominatrix is probably the closest thing to a real-life supervillain that actually exists.

A dominatrix? You kidding? They're just women who get paid to whip dudes. Read up on the recent revelations about the UK Cabinet under Margaret Thatcher. They were at least Bond villain-tier.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I mean in the ridiculous cartoon theatrical sense, as well as in terms of single-minded stupid obsessions. Like, somebody like that would fit in on the old Batman show, and DE people kind of do too insofar as they choose loving ridiculous names and want to do insane, impossible things. But they don't have lairs or costumes, even if some have codenames. The CEO of Cocoa-Cola would not, even if he's currently enacting a plot to monopolize access to potable water in a dozen countries and has hired death squads to crush unions in Guatamala.

Real loving evil masterminds from James Bond have of course ruled the world for at least 100 years and enacted evil schemes often predicted in adventure stories or old movies, but they don't flounce around in loving capes and talk in operatic, overblown language. I think Aurini would love to do that, though.

We need a more precise vocabulary to document the kind of lunacy the internet enables.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jack Gladney posted:

I mean in the ridiculous cartoon theatrical sense, as well as in terms of single-minded stupid obsessions. Like, somebody like that would fit in on the old Batman show, and DE people kind of do too insofar as they choose loving ridiculous names and want to do insane, impossible things. But they don't have lairs or costumes, even if some have codenames. The CEO of Cocoa-Cola would not, even if he's currently enacting a plot to monopolize access to potable water in a dozen countries and has hired death squads to crush unions in Guatamala.

Real loving evil masterminds from James Bond have of course ruled the world for at least 100 years and enacted evil schemes often predicted in adventure stories or old movies, but they don't flounce around in loving capes and talk in operatic, overblown language. I think Aurini would love to do that, though.

We need a more precise vocabulary to document the kind of lunacy the internet enables.

The Elm Guest House crowd had literal child rape dungeons in white-tie clubs. Occasionally, the rape dungeons had fancy-dress nights. They could get pretty theatrical in their evil. I mean, poo poo, a recently-deceased cabinet minister is accused, on alarmingly plausible grounds, of sitting on a loving throne in a full-length ballgown, out of his mind on cocaine, as a pair of underlings raped a little boy in front of him and beat him to death.

We Brits do our abhorrent poo poo old-school.

Tracula
Mar 26, 2010

PLEASE LEAVE

Darth Walrus posted:

The Elm Guest House crowd had literal child rape dungeons in white-tie clubs. Occasionally, the rape dungeons had fancy-dress nights. They could get pretty theatrical in their evil. I mean, poo poo, a recently-deceased cabinet minister is accused, on alarmingly plausible grounds, of sitting on a loving throne in a full-length ballgown, out of his mind on cocaine, as a pair of underlings raped a little boy in front of him and beat him to death.

We Brits do our abhorrent poo poo old-school.

That's enough internet for me today. Goodnight, SA.

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sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

Darth Walrus posted:

sitting on a loving throne in a full-length ballgown, out of his mind on cocaine, as a pair of underlings raped a little boy in front of him and beat him to death.
So he went to public school?

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