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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Political Cartoons 2015: It was. I think. I don't know. Fuck that dumb comic

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Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Magrov posted:

Found the history behind the "jerk off" cartoon. it's a direct response to the following email:

This is why you should never touch the poop.

I can't believe he was stupid enough to think this guy wasn't taking the piss.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 16:47

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Pants Donkey: Nov 13, 2011

Tatum Girlparts posted:

And boy for someone with zero issues with Jews he sure slobbers on a lot of antisemitic knobs.

I think he gets called antisemitic by Israelis so much that he doubles down on some poo poo to tweak their noses without any self-awareness that's he's giving critics ammo.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 16:47

D.N. Nation: Feb 1, 2012

It's my guess that, internally, Latuff is as anti-Semitic as someone is racist who crosses the street when they see a black person walking on a sidewalk. As in, certainly a little bit, but not violently so. That's my reading of his internal thoughts, which is really just a guess. He definitely has a blind spot for legitimate Jew-haters as long as it's in support of The Cause, which isn't very forgivable.

As for what he does externally, he's passionately anti-Israel. There's something to be said for that. He also equates- sometimes vaguely, sometimes explicitly- the treatment of Palestinians to the Holocaust, which is simplistic and incorrect. It looks aces on a poster, but it falls apart upon further inspection.

He's also an embarrassing hack about U.S./Cuba relations. Like Michael Ramirez levels of no-givesies-backsies rear end-covering when he turns out to be wrong.

You know what country he should really give the thumbs up to for its drat-near-universal tolerance of hate speech from any direction? The good ol' US of A. But he won't. That's OK. We know you love us, Latuff.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 16:48

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Rorus Raz posted:

It's an older cartoon, and Latuff has proven that he's capable of learning from his mistakes.

They are Bad Cartoons, but comparing Latuff to Dees will never stop being adorable.

Has he, though? Like, about this stuff has he given any indication that he's learned anything, because it seems since then he's just shifted from 'Israel/the Jews will silence any critic of them by calling them anti-semites' (again any proof of this beyond some groups saying 'that's anti-semetic' and some people going 'ok' and others going 'shut up'), to a more personal 'I BET ISRAEL FUCKIN HATES ME FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH' poo poo.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 16:49

Pants Donkey: Nov 13, 2011

Mehuyael posted:

Did he ever actually say 'yeah, sorry, I was antisemetic at the time but I've learned my lesson'?

I doubt he'll ever come out and say it because his critics will use it to discredit him, but there's marked difference between cartoons then and now. Clearly he had to be thinking he was crossing a line and backed off a bit.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 16:50

Bicyclops: Aug 27, 2004

I do think that lifting imagery and symbols from the Holocaust and Nazi era Germany, even in cartoons that are more objectively Israel-critical and less anti-semitic, is not a great plan, because the Holocaust is so firmly planted in the public consciousness as meaning a very specific thing that it comes off as cheap manipulation and erases any points that could be made by drawing comparisons. Like, I realize that, particularly with regard to Israel, the idea is to access images that are that embedded to "tweak the noses" of authority (and to turn around claims that actions of Palestine are in any way another Holocaust), but I think, instead, that it just tweaks everyone's noses. Latuff does it kind of a lot, and it usually makes me gloss over his cartoons.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 16:54

Zanzibar Ham: Mar 17, 2009; You giving me the cold shoulder? How cruel.; Grimey Drawer

Rorus Raz posted:

I doubt he'll ever come out and say it because his critics will use it to discredit him, but there's marked difference between cartoons then and now. Clearly he had to be thinking he was crossing a line and backed off a bit.

But for all I know he could just as well have become better at hiding his antisemitism.

I think I'll just not participate in any discussion about Latuff anymore, there's no point in it.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 16:54

Saint Isaias Boner: Jan 17, 2007; hi how are you ♥

Bicyclops posted:

I do think that lifting imagery and symbols from the Holocaust and Nazi era Germany, even in cartoons that are more objectively Israel-critical and less anti-semitic, is not a great plan, because the Holocaust is so firmly planted in the public consciousness as meaning a very specific thing that it comes off as cheap manipulation and erases any points that could be made by drawing comparisons. Like, I realize that, particularly with regard to Israel, the idea is to access images that are that embedded to "tweak the noses" of authority (and to turn around claims that actions of Palestine are in any way another Holocaust), but I think, instead, that it just tweaks everyone's noses. Latuff does it kind of a lot, and it usually makes me gloss over his cartoons.

It would be appropriate if Palestine was another Holocaust, but it's not. This kind of exaggeration provides ammunition to people who support the status quo and riles up a lot of uninformed people who wind up looking stupid carrying the pictures around on the end of sticks.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 16:58

Bicyclops: Aug 27, 2004

I am also hesitant to wave off the offensive cartoons of someone who hasn't apologized for them or to assume that his views have somehow gotten better simply because he's backed off slightly, but I don't think that eliminates the merit of Latuff's better cartoons or that we have to immediately write off all of his work as the ravings of a furious anti-semite.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:05

Gimnbo: Feb 13, 2012; e m b r a c e t r a n q u i l i t y

Kurtofan posted:

I can't believe he was stupid enough to think this guy wasn't taking the piss.

That's literally how he views defenders of Israel so it's more that it fits perfectly into his world view.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:11

Hitler B. Natural: Feb 11, 2014

Taking a break from Latuffchat, this might be the most effort Catalino has put into a cartoon in years. He's never had to c&p the Charlie Hebdo logo before. That wasn't in his vast clipart archive; he had to actually use Google and GIMP and everything.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:14

Saint Isaias Boner: Jan 17, 2007; hi how are you ♥

Here's Latuff's thinking, relatively close to the time he drew those Hollywood cartoons, in his own words. Quoted in full because this argument has gone on for a long time, so why not.

"Latuff posted:

Latuff on allegued anti-Semitic cartoons
Latuff | 11.01.2002 01:44

Reproduction authorized.

PUBLIC STATEMENT FROM BRAZILIAN CARTOONIST LATUFF ON ALLEGED ANTI-SEMITIC CARTOONS

Repeated allegations of anti-Semitism from readers of Independent Media Centers in Germany, Austria and Switzerland were the reason for the release of this public statement.

On January 06, 2002, I sent a message to IMC Germany:

"Dear sirs from Indymedia Germany,

I am really impressed with such an immediate response from your readers everytime I post some Israel related cartoon. I see your decision to repost my "PRO-Semitic cartoon" article as a gesture of goodwill, for the benefit of healthy discussion on sensitive Israel/Palestine affairs. Thank you! Probably many readers from IMC Germany, and even from other IMCs, have questions regarding my creative process and political views. I suggest an on-line IRC chat with me, editorial staff of IMC Germany and readers, and together to clarify some points. Content of this conversation could be available on IMC Germany web site.
If you think it would be suitable, please, reply me.

Very best regards,

Latuff

Latuff - Image Maker
Rio de Janeiro Brazil"

Unfortunately, until today, January 10, I was not contacted regarding my proposal.

Since 1990, I've been a political cartoonist for many leftist trade-union publications in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. My cartoons dealt with local and national affairs such as police brutality and human rights violations. When I first gained Internet access in 1996, my art began to reach international audiences. My first "artistic support" was for the Zapatista movement and their struggle for the rights of natives of Chiapas, Southern Mexico.

However, the Zapatistas were not the only resistance movement I was aware of. Soon, I was producing non-profit cartoons for organizations related to Tibetans, Kurds, Mohajir (Pakistan) and Palestinians. One of them, the Palestinian Centre for Peace and Democracy, invited me to see with my own eyes the situation of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. In 1999, for about 10 days, I visited Palestinian areas controlled by Israel in the West Bank with both Palestinian and Israeli peace activists. I listened to Palestinian civilians and Israeli settlers. What I saw and heard there was enough to reinforce my support for an independent Palestinian State.
Back in Brazil, I started to produce and publish copyright-free cartoons for Palestinian/Israeli NGOs like Gush-Shalom and Peace Now. At that point I was introduced to a very sensitive dilemma: how to draw cartoons criticizing Israel policy without crossing over into anti-Semitism?

I remember receiving advice from a friend in Gush-Shalom about drawing characters with big noses. It sounded weird to me, since caricatures are usually grotesque, and big-nosed characters are very common in caricatures. However, due to Nazi-era cartoons where Jews were shown with big noses, what could be seen as an ordinary detail in other circumstances would be taken as intentionally racist in Israel. In November 2000, I drew a cartoon published by Gush-Shalom on their website depicting Ehud Barak, Israeli Prime Minister at that time, as a trigger-happy fat boy. This illustration was responsible for a lot of trouble. See below a press release from the Anti-Defamation League, described in their own words as "the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry" :

"Press Release Israel Regional Office

ADL Outraged at "Peace" Group�s Portrayal of Prime Minister Barak as Child Killer

Jerusalem November 7, 2000

The Anti-Defamation League expressed outrage at Gush Shalom's portrayal of Prime Minister Barak as a killer of Palestinian children in a caricature on its web site.

'The image of a militant Barak standing on the bleeding bullet ridden body of a Palestinian child is abhorrent and certainly unbecoming of a group which describes itself as "advocating peace",' said Rabbi David Rosen, Director of ADL's Israel Office. 'At this particularly tense time, and as we are commemorating the fifth anniversary of the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin it behooves individuals and organizations to express their political views in a responsible manner avoiding inciteful language and imagery . Regretfully, this is not the only example of offensive and inciteful web postings by Gush Shalom,' he added".

In spite of many complaints, Gush Shalom kept publishing my artworks for a time. Meanwhile, I continued producing and distributing Palestinian-related cartoons and photomontages around the Web through emails, web sites and newsgroups. Angry, vitriolic emails from supporters of Israel's policies were a kind of standard procedure. Profanity, threats, and condemnations were sent to me by casual readers and radicals from the Jewish Defence League. I was learning, step-by-step, how difficult it is to make clear to people the difference between political criticism of Israeli apartheid and its supporters, and anti-Semitic harassment.

When I came across the Independent Media Center and their principles of freedom of speech and alternative resources of information, I thought to myself that it would be a nice place to promote the struggle of the Palestinian people, as well as many other world political/social issues. Some of my Israel/Palestine related posts on IMC Switzerland, Austria and Germany produced heated discussions on anti-Semitism. Here I am, one more time, trying to clarify some important differences between my cartoons and real anti-Semitic cartoons.

First, it is necessary to declare that I do not have any ties with religious or racial supremacist groups. I do not follow theories of racial superiority, or religious concepts of "elect people" and "infidels". I am not a revisionist and do not support theories denying the Holocaust. I don't believe in any conspiracy guided by Jews to conquer the world. As Tears for Fears sang, "everybody wants to rule the world," regardless if a person is Jewish, Christian, Muslim or atheist. It's not about religious beliefs, but humans thirsting for power.

Most allegations of anti-Semitism in my cartoons came from IMC web sites hosted in European countries, and there is a strong reason for such concern. It was in Europe that the term "anti-Semitism" was used for the first time, in 1870. In many nations, Jews were seen as a menace, responsible for all poverty and unemployment, who benefited from the misery of others. This was a suitable environment for growth of the myth of a "Jewish conspiracy". Caricatures of Jews, depicted as being ostentatious, coward, and corrupt, were published in newspapers, even on postcards.

Conservative, and even Socialist parties at the end of 19th century, looking for votes, took advantage of popular anti-Semitic sentiments through propaganda, primarily in Austria, France and Germany. Jews were portrayed in derogatory ways in election posters, bulletins, etc. We know the results of this propaganda: persecution, boycotts, deportations, and finally mass killings.

Comparing my Israel/Palestine-related cartoons with notorious cartoons from the Nazi Germany newspaper "Der Sturmer", important differences can be pointed out. In Nazi cartoons, Jews were usually compared to ugly or nocive creatures (snakes, rats, worms, etc). I recall two incidents where I drew Jewish settlers in Palestine as animals (a docile dog and a malicious cat). However, such a depiction is not about their religion or race, but refers to Israel's policy of building settlements in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, areas of predominantly Palestinian population. Hardcore religious radicals, with a defiant and agressive attitude toward their Palestinian neighbours, are allowed to carry automatic rifles. There are many documented incidents of Palestinian civilians being beaten or shot by settlers, sometimes with the assistance of the Israel Defence Force. I see Israeli settlers as nationalist extremists, above all else. However, due to their look (kipah, beard, etc) I draw caricatures with these characteristics. They are murderers not because they follow Judaism, but because they kill Palestinians.

Nazi cartoons refered to Jews as evil beings threating the nation (i.e. a serpent adorned with Magen Davids coiling up around a defenceless blonde woman). Israeli soldiers are also shown by me as evil beings, but I draw many other soldiers from different countries as monsters, psychos and so on, because I believe that the only job for a soldier is to kill. That's what soldiers are trained and equipped to do. Sometimes I put Magen Davids on soldiers to associate them with the state of Israel, because that is the symbol on the Israel. Israeli soldiers are not murderers because they are Jews. They are murderers because they are soldiers.

Let's now to compare my works with so-called "Arabic anti-Semitism" (an oxymoron, since Arabs are Semites too). In Arab papers, Israeli leaders are frequently shown wearing Nazi uniforms and swastikas. Even in Israel, politicians seen as "liberals" by right-wingers are depicted this way (i.e. Yitzhak Rabin), as well as Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. I drew Ariel Sharon and former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu as Nazis, because I see Nazism as the best example of state-sponsored terrorism. I applied the same idea to Slobodan Milosevic when he ordered massacres and "ethnic cleansing" to Muslim populations in Bosnia. In my view, Nazis are not only those who built concentration camps and gas chambers, but also those who submit whole populations, such as Palestinians, to suffering and death. However, I must confess that such depictions have become a cliche, and I don't want to use those images any more.

Another two cartoons I did, which has been referred by IMC Germany as definitive proof of anti-Semitism, are called "The American Talk Show" and "In the Hollywood video rental store". The first one is a comic-strip where an actor plays a talk show in a fictitious Hollywood nightclub. He makes racist jokes about Orientals, Blacks, Latins, and Arabs. When he decides to make a joke about Jews, he's kicked out of club. The intention of this comic-strip is to denunciate the hypocrisy surrounding racial and ethnic humour in movies produced by Hollywood, rather than accuse Hollywood of being part of a Zionist conspiracy. As I said in a note sent to IMC Switzerland:

"...Hollywood cinema has served to the U.S. foreign policy many times and now again. George W. Bush has claimed for patriotic movies, a support to his 'War against Terrorism'. It's a fact that many Hollywood producers are Jews and it's a fact too the mostly of U.S. movies are strongly biased with reference to Latins, Orientals and Arabs.

Just have a look, for example, in a recent U.S. movie, 'Traffic', broaching drug business in Mexico and United States. Mexican scenario is yellow-coloured to instil sensation of a sweltering hot weather. Mexican characters are sweaty, violent and corrupt. However, a smooth blue filter is applied to U.S. scenarions, suggeting a fresh weather, with skycrapers and well fited people.

Let�s check another example of biased movies from well-known Jewish cinema producers, Menahem Golan and Yoran Globus. In their 'Delta Force', German actress Hanna Schygulla plays an air hostess in a hijacked plane. She�s forced by sweaty beared Arab terrorists to list Jewish passengers. She refuses to do it, saying more or less this: 'I can't do that. Can't you see I am a German? The Jews, the Holocaust, the six millions...'. The Arab character replies: 'Six millions? It should be much more!'. In 'Missing in Action' series, where Chuck Norris plays a U.S. veteran who go back to Vietnam to rescue prisoners, Vietnamese are depicted as brutal and cruel psychos, what justify killing of many by Norris.

Same propaganda can be seen in 'Rambo' series. Special attention to the last one, where 'Mujahideens' from Afganisthan are glorified in this Reagan-era film. I could do mention of many other movies like these, where different races than U.S. caucasians are shown in a derogatory way..."

The second cartoon, "In the Hollywood video rental store", shows an anarchist-style black teenager asking for a movie about massacres of Palestinians in a video rental shop, eliciting a vehement negative response from the clerk. Beside the customer is a section with many Holocaust-related movies. Denial of the Holocaust was not what I intended in this image. I wanted to expose the one-sided portrayals in Hollywood movies about Middle Eastern affairs. Masterpieces such as Steven Spielberg's "Schindler's List" are both historical documentation of the Holocaust, as well as a strong reminder about the dangers of intolerance. When will we see Spielberg direct a movie where Israeli soldiers shoot at Palestinian boys throwing stones? When will we see a Hollywood movie where Palestinians are victims, not villains? Is it not a demonstration of intolerance? Is the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories not full of violence and intolerance? Should movie audience be kept from seeing the suffering of Palestinians? Why? Are directors and writers afraid to promote the Palestinian struggle for freedom, possibly gaining sympathy from public opinion? I am convinced that Hollywood movies about the Middle East are not well-balanced. I don't believe in a "Zionist conspiracy", only that the portrayal of Arabs is a result of U.S. interests in that petroleum-fertile region.

I would like to finish this statement emphasizing to all of you that, if any detail of my artwork is even slightly reminiscent of Nazi cartoons, I apologize. Through the centuries, Jews has been attacked due to their traditions and beliefs. I am aware of this, and am always worried that my art will be used by real racists to promote anti-Semitism. Jews were victims for a long time. Now they have their nation and their rights, and I think another Holocaust will not be carried out. Let's keep our eyes on anti-Semites, but we should also watch those who oppress and kill people for reasons other than hatred of Jews.

I am not anti-Semitic. I am against Israeli policy towards Palestinians. This is not about Jews. This is not about Judaism. This is not about race, religion or culture. Palestinian people deserve the same rights as Jews for a nation. My position is not eternal. I will support Israel if it decides to withdraw its troops and settlements from the Occupied Territories of Gaza and West Bank. I continue to support Jews from Israel, the United States, and around the world who defend Palestinian human rights and self-determination.

My wish is not to destroy Israel, but to build an Independent Palestinian State.

If you still have any doubt about my points of view, I welcome your questions. Everyone is invited to express opinions on my art. However, I will no longer reply to insults, venom, or baseless accusations of anti-Semitism posted on IMC Germany or any other place.

Sincerely,

Latuff

Latuff - Image Maker
Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
January 10, 2002

P.S.: Author would to like to thanks to Mr. Mark Bialkowski for his kind assistance.

Check these links for additional information on real anti-Semitic cartoons:

- Caricatures from Der St�rmer: 1928-1931
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/sturm28.htm

- The Development of Modern Anti-Semitism
http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/beyond-the-pale/english/23.html

- The Simon Wiesenthal Center
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/albums/palbum/p04/a0201p3.html
Latuff
- e-mail: latuff@uninet.com.br

I still think his Hollywood cartoon was crap.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:21

Kegluneq: Feb 18, 2011; Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

^^^- That makes a lot of sense. I think he means well but is too often oblivious as to how his cartoons could be misinterpreted.

Gilganixon posted:

It would be appropriate if Palestine was another Holocaust, but it's not. This kind of exaggeration provides ammunition to people who support the status quo and riles up a lot of uninformed people who wind up looking stupid carrying the pictures around on the end of sticks.

The problem he has is that there isn't really any first world parallel in recent history to what the Palestinians have gone through, so he goes straight for the most obvious even though it doesn't really fit. I mean Israel has done terrible poo poo but it's not at the death camp level. (I'm a lot more sympathetic to his comparisons with Apartheid though.)

Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Jan 15, 2015

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:22

Ralepozozaxe: Sep 6, 2010; A Veritable Smorgasbord!

Would this be considered anti-semitic?

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:23

Hitler B. Natural: Feb 11, 2014

Ralepozozaxe posted:

Would this be considered anti-semitic?

Yes, it was. It caused a minor scandal among idiots who pretended it invoked the blood libel.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:25

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

Ralepozozaxe posted:

Would this be considered anti-semitic?

Pretty much any thing can be considered anti-semitic if someone wants it to be.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:31

the holy poopacy: May 16, 2009; hey! check this out; Fun Shoe

Gilganixon posted:

I still think his Hollywood cartoon was crap.

The video store was also crap. I understood the message perfectly, but it is very easily re-interpreted into Holocaust denialism.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:31

Bicyclops: Aug 27, 2004

Gilganixon posted:

Here's Latuff's thinking, relatively close to the time he drew those Hollywood cartoons, in his own words. Quoted in full because this argument has gone on for a long time, so why not.

I still think his Hollywood cartoon was crap.

Thanks for posting this. I don't agree with his reasoning all of the time (there are sentences where he really seems to get it and sentences where he really seems to not get it!), but it does really clarify his thinking behind things, and at least indicates that he thinks about his own work in the context of multiple power systems and is seeking to evolve. it's actually fascinating to watch people self-critique work, even if it a sort of defensive reaction to complaints about it.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:32

Mister Beeg: Sep 7, 2012; A Certified Jerk

vyelkin posted:

Two city employees in Hamilton were fired for bringing pot brownies to work at a public works site and sharing them with an unknowing coworker, who had an "adverse reaction" and had to be taken to the hospital (he recovered).

I have a friend whose former roommate had pot brownies in the fridge, and another ate a whole batch of them, not knowing what they were.

He had to go to the hospital. Apparently he ate waay too many, and took about a week to recover.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:33

Mr. Squishy: Mar 22, 2010; A country where you can always get richer.

Hitler B. Natural posted:

Yes, it was. It caused a minor scandal among idiots who pretended it invoked the blood libel.

Speaking of Brit-toons, Bell got into some flak for this one

From what I recall the objections were the puppets and the prominence of the star of david.

Mister Beeg posted:

I have a friend whose former roommate had pot brownies in the fridge, and another ate a whole batch of them, not knowing what they were.

He had to go to the hospital. Apparently he ate waay too many, and took about a week to recover.

Let this be a lesson to not eat whole plates of brownies you just find around.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:44

OrthoTrot: Dec 10, 2006; Its either Trotsky or its Notsky

El Scotch posted:

Pretty much any thing can be considered anti-semitic if someone wants it to be.

That doesn't mean the question is irrelevant or that we aren't obviated from a duty to seriously consider it with regards to this cartoon.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:48

colonel_korn: May 16, 2003

1

2

3

4 Won't someone think of the children in Nigeria, etc etc.?

5

:shrug:

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# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:48

Post 9-11 User: Apr 14, 2010

CONFIRMED: a cartoonist fervently denounces the crimes against humanity committed by people that happen to be Jewish. Whew, that was complicated.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:49

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Kurtofan posted:

French laws protect against anti-Muslim speech, Mohammed caricatures just aren't considered anti-Muslim speech.

Has anyone actually be punished for anti-Muslim speech, or does the government just look the other way?

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:49

mrpwase: Apr 21, 2010; I HAVE GREAT AVATAR IDEAS
For the Many, Not the Few

colonel_korn posted:

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All hail President Romneybush!

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:50

D.N. Nation: Feb 1, 2012

Waah! Obama is doing something that might cost taxpayers money! I don't care if it's a good idea TAXES BAD ME NO LIKE TAXES MOMMY

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:50

beefart: Jul 5, 2007; IT'S ON THE HOUSE OF AMON
~grandmaaaaaaa~

colonel_korn posted:

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Ah yes, the famous Yemen-Cuba land border that we learned about in geography class, also gently caress you.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:51

Brannock: Feb 9, 2006; by exmarx; Fallen Rib

colonel_korn posted:

5

That was good and 100% correct. Why the shrug?

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:53

Ague Proof: Jun 5, 2014; they told me
I was everything

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:55

Zulily Zoetrope: Jun 1, 2011; Muldoon

D.N. Nation posted:

It's my guess that, internally, Latuff is as anti-Semitic as someone is racist who crosses the street when they see a black person walking on a sidewalk. As in, certainly a little bit, but not violently so. That's my reading of his internal thoughts, which is really just a guess.

Why? What on earth has he ever done that would cause you to think that? Has he ever done any cartoons that were critical of Jewish people specifically? Has he ever implied that they are specifically hook nosed, or greedy, or baby eating or whatever?

No one can deny that he has produced some tasteless cartoons using Semitic imagery, but it's pretty hard to avoid using it at all when Israel builds its own national identity on tasteless usage of Semitic imagery and the notion that they have the right to commit ethnic cleansing because Palestinians belong to a different ethnoreligious group.

It also doesn't help that Israel's accusations of anti-Semitism are pretty much worthless. This is clearly an indictment of the Jewish habit of kidnapping babies to bake their totally unchristian synagogue bread and not merely a criticism a world leader for sanctioning brutal military campaigns, while this is just a harsh truth from a noble defender of the state, and not a hateful labeling of someone you disagree with as harmful stereotypes and race tratiors.

I'm not disagreeing with the rest of your post; he's definitely a dude whose view could stand some nuance, but his views seem to be limited to nations, rather than people, and his critics are more interested in conflating Israel-criticism and anti-Semitism than teaching people about anti-Semitism.

EDIT: I just realized I missed a page and found the Hollywood Jew cartoons. I concede that he has shown prejudice beyond hating on governments :stare:

:stare:

Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Jan 15, 2015

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:56

NoEyedSquareGuy: Mar 16, 2009; Just because Liquor's dead, doesn't mean you can just roll this bitch all over town with "The Freedoms."

colonel_korn posted:

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I'm not sure this cartoon actually makes any sense, but I like it anyway.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 17:59

Randler: Jan 3, 2013; ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

I'm not racist against the Iroquois. My criticism is exclusively limited against the Iroquois nation which just happens to coincidentally use Iroquois imagery. :smugdog:

:smugdog:

# ? Jan 15, 2015 18:00

Bicyclops: Aug 27, 2004

Brannock posted:

That was good and 100% correct. Why the shrug?

It's BorsMediocreCartoon.jpg

# ? Jan 15, 2015 18:02

D.N. Nation: Feb 1, 2012

Kajeesus posted:

Why? What on earth has he ever done that would cause you to think that? Has he ever done any cartoons that were critical of Jewish people specifically? Has he ever implied that they are specifically hook nosed, or greedy, or baby eating or whatever?

No one can deny that he has produced some tasteless cartoons using Semitic imagery, but it's pretty hard to avoid using it at all when Israel builds its own national identity on tasteless usage of Semitic imagery and the notion that they have the right to commit ethnic cleansing because Palestinians belong to a different ethnoreligious group.

It also doesn't help that Israel's accusations of anti-Semitism are pretty much worthless. This is clearly an indictment of the Jewish habit of kidnapping babies to bake their totally unchristian synagogue bread and not merely a criticism a world leader for sanctioning brutal military campaigns, while this is just a harsh truth from a noble defender of the state, and not a hateful labeling of someone you disagree with as harmful stereotypes and race tratiors.

I'm not disagreeing with the rest of your post; he's definitely a dude whose view could stand some nuance, but his views seem to be limited to nations, rather than people, and his critics are more interested in conflating Israel-criticism and anti-Semitism than teaching people about anti-Semitism.

"That's my reading of his internal thoughts, which is really just a guess."

It's the comfortability with anti-Jew hacks that gives me pause. Again. Just a guess. Take it for how much a guess is worth.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 18:04

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Randler posted:

I'm not racist against the Iroquois. My criticism is exclusively limited against the Iroquois nation which just happens to coincidentally use Iroquois imagery.

Do you truly believe Israel stands for every Jews?Just because it uses Jewish imagery?

Does Saudi Arabia gets a pass because they put the Shahada on their flag?

Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jan 15, 2015

# ? Jan 15, 2015 18:04

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

colonel_korn posted:

4 Won't someone think of the children in Nigeria, etc etc.?

I like the smiley face on the Boko Haram logotype.

Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jan 15, 2015

# ? Jan 15, 2015 18:04

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Brannock posted:

That was good and 100% correct. Why the shrug?

Kinda weird to have stuff like 'meh cartoons' and 'my brave brave doodles' and all in a cartoon supporting them.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 18:07

Venom Snake: Feb 19, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

Randler posted:

I'm not racist against the Iroquois. My criticism is exclusively limited against the Iroquois nation which just happens to coincidentally use Iroquois imagery.

Your gimmick is as tired as your arguments.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 18:08

PassTheRemote: Mar 15, 2007; Number 6 holds The Village record in Duck Hunt.

The first one to kill wins.

Brannock posted:

That was good and 100% correct. Why the shrug?

Maybe he's wondering if Bors reads this thread.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 18:10

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Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

PassTheRemote posted:

Maybe he's wondering if Bors reads this thread.

Someone literally said that in this thread so I would assume so, yes ;3

# ? Jan 15, 2015 18:14

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