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spacetoaster posted:More like guilt by being totally fine with this dude for years, then it became a public embarrassment and dropping him. Bro if you don't see how a black man who grew up in the 50's came to the conclusion "God drat America" then I don't know what history you've been reading.
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spacetoaster posted:More like guilt by being totally fine with this dude for years, then it became a public embarrassment and dropping him. I to, as a local politician am going to condemn a popular local religious leaders for having insane views. Obama has a poo poo load of other criticisms you can make of him, but his choice in church is not one of them.
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It's basically like sourcing Animal Nuz as you sick burn against Republicans.
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zoux posted:Bro if you don't see how a black man who grew up in the 50's came to the conclusion "God drat America" then I don't know what history you've been reading. And invented AIDS? Sure, I get you bro.  Satsuki Kiryuin posted:I to, as a local politician am going to condemn a popular local religious leaders for having insane views. Obama has a poo poo load of other criticisms you can make of him, but his choice in church is not one of them. Oh, you're telling me what I can and can't criticize?  Looks like I found a nerve though.    *edit* And this is a cartoon thread, Satuski, post some cartoons or GTFO. spacetoaster fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jan 15, 2015 |
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 Why aren't the blacks happier with America? w/r/t Wright: I believe that Obama is either atheist/agnostic or generally non-religious*; his appearances in Wright's church were for political, rather than spiritual ends. Wright had a demographically diverse congregation in the middle of Chicago, so it was important to Obama to give some face time. Wright's a bit of a yahoo and his sermons are what they are, but he's no worse than any of the Pentacostal SuperMegaChurches that white Republicans shimmy up to. * Any time Obama brings up religion in his books, it always sounds stilted as to being just a "I guess I gotta say this because all American politicians say this."
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spacetoaster posted:More like guilt by being totally fine with this dude for years, then it became a public embarrassment and dropping him. Top left panel is my fave, because they never felt the need to misrepresent or address what the guy said. Just "man says 9/11 was somehow a result of US policy, clearly a terrist, end of discussion  "
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It's just stupid because Obama's choice in church has nothing to do with his views or his government. Unless it's totally okay to go after Romney for him subscribing to a religion far more insane as a whole.
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Satsuki Kiryuin posted:It's just stupid because Obama's choice in church has nothing to do with his views or his government. Unless it's totally okay to go after Romney for him subscribing to a religion far more insane as a whole. I think you'll find that most of D&D would be fine with that.
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Satsuki Kiryuin posted:It's just stupid because Obama's choice in church has nothing to do with his views or his government. Unless it's totally okay to go after Romney for him subscribing to a religion far more insane as a whole. Okay.  *edit* saying that someone's freaking religion has nothing to do with their views is retarded.
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OrthoTrot posted:Fair enough. I agree. But what you said at first seemed to suggest that because anti semitism could be read into anything we should pretty much ignore accusations of it. If there's another meaning to what you said I'd love to hear it. My point was not to ignore it (one only needs to look at A Wyatt Man cartoons to see this), but that people will use the cry of 'antisemitism' to shut down and attack anything they dislike, regardless of merit. It's almost a 'boy who cried wolf' thing. In the case of Latuff I have trouble taking an organization who labels him the 3rd worst antisemite in the world, ahead of literally Nazi parties in Eastern Europe who actually have real political and social power, instead of a cartoonist in Brazil.
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I have no personal insight to Carlos Latuff's thought processes but pretty much every one of his cartoons about "antisemitism" is literally identical to that one JJ (I think?) where Al Sharpton and his thugs threaten to call a terrified whitey racist.
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If the person in question holds the same views as said church it holds some merit to discuss it, because Romney very much does; but If he didn't it would be pointless to bring up. Overall I dislike attacking peoples personal religious choices. Obama sure as gently caress doesn't think the government invented AIDS to kill black people and acting like he endorses that view is being really dumb.
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Satsuki Kiryuin posted:If the person in question holds the same views as said church it holds some merit to discuss it, because Romney very much does; but If he didn't it would be pointless to bring up. Overall I dislike attacking peoples personal religious choices. Obama sure as gently caress doesn't think the government invented AIDS to kill black people and acting like he endorses that view is being really dumb. Cartoons dude. Cartoons. If you want to blab about your personal hatred of this or that, there are nearby threads for you to vent.  Satsuki Kiryuin posted:Obama sure as gently caress doesn't think the government invented AIDS to kill black people and acting like he endorses that view is being really dumb. I bet he does. He's fooled you. He is inventing more AIDS right now. 
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What is this one trying to say? I had to google the words, and it seems that the woman in front is supposed to be Michelle Obama referring to her husband's election. I'm guessing that the backgrounds are supposed to be reasons to be proud of the USA, but what has the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Statue of Liberty (a 19th century gift from France) and some generic soldiers to do with "my country" in "my adult lifetime"? And he seems to imply that the Space Shuttle is something to be proud of, which is arguable given the many flaws of the system and the shuttle program in general?
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Kopijeger posted:What is this one trying to say? I had to google the words, and it seems that the woman in front is supposed to be Michelle Obama referring to her husband's election. I'm guessing that the backgrounds are supposed to be reasons to be proud of the USA, but what has the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Statue of Liberty (a 19th century gift from France) and some generic soldiers to do with "my country" in "my adult lifetime"? And he seems to imply that the Space Shuttle is something to be proud of, which is arguable given the many flaws of the system and the shuttle program in general? It means that America has been great since 1776 but Michelle Obama didn't think so until the US got way too politically correct and elected a black man president out of white guilt.
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I keep trying to AGC this, and all I can come up with is 'what a bunch of lovely labels.'
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Capitalists are predators. AGC.
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The Republicans want to throw the white middle-class family to the sharks, then eat all the steaks. A 1% cartoon.
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zoux posted:What religion is Jeremiah Wright? Black.
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R. Mute posted:Now let me guess at the posters involved: Tatum Girlparts, DN Nation, loquacius being milquetoast and boring as hell, probably Randler too with the way things are going these days. Am I close to the mark?
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Obama is going to help Cuban immigrants make it to Florida!
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R. Mute why must you hurt my feelings by putting a probably in front of your guess regarding Latuffchat participation? 
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Latuff did nothing wrong.
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R. Mute posted:Now let me guess at the posters involved: Tatum Girlparts, DN Nation, loquacius being milquetoast and boring as hell, probably Randler too with the way things are going these days. Am I close to the mark? This was literally the second time I've ever talked about Latuff on this thread. And I think his cartoons serve a useful, vital purpose.
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D.N. Nation posted:This was literally the second time I've ever talked about Latuff on this thread. And I think his cartoons serve a useful, vital purpose. It's still January and you already talked about him 2 times? Man you talk about him a lot.
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Mehuyael posted:It's still January and you already talked about him 2 times? Man you talk about him a lot. On all political cartoon threads, 2012-present. Shrug. Have some Allies.  
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The government takes something you have an excess of that you couldn't possibly use to its fullest extent and turns it into higher-quality things you directly benefit from, with the extra going towards others who have less than you.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:The government takes something you have an excess of that you couldn't possibly use to its fullest extent and turns it into higher-quality things you directly benefit from, with the extra going towards others who have less than you. And more than that, a resource which you are hereditarily inclined to acquire, and the excess of which ends up having subtle detrimental effects.
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Portals posted:Speaking of holocaust analogies:
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zoux posted:Someone told me that Russian doesn't have articles which is why the stereotypical Russian-accented English is like that. Based on my limited knowledge of Russian, that's pretty much it. Ya rabotayu v bankye. I work in (a/the) bank.
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Yeah I co-authored a scientific paper with a Russian guy a few years ago and was constantly having to insert "the"s and "a"s everywhere. Not that it was a big deal but it's definitely a thing. Polish too, I think.
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Portals posted:Speaking of holocaust analogies: Public travel is transportation. Private travel is cisportation. Is economic, yes?
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Is that second comic a rerun, or has Allie just done so many similar comics that I've lost track? Also, I'm not from Illinois so I'm not familiar with the Illinois Mirror. When I went to their "About" page on their website: quote:Our perspective is explicit: first, Illinois Mirror upholds individual liberty as the highest political value
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zoux posted:What religion is Jeremiah Wright? United Church of Christ. And here's their response to the Wright controversy.
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People always bring up that fact that being Anti-Zionist/Pro-Palestine is not inherently Anti-Semitic and stop there. They neglect to recognize that a whole loving lot of Anti-Zionist/Pro-Palestine groups are full of Anti-Semites. Anti-Israel groups have a serious problem with recognizing and policing Anti-Semitism in their own ranks because there's a widespread belief that Anti-Semitism is no longer a huge problem because the Holocaust opened up everyone's eyes and Israel exists now. Because of this, lots of Anti-Semites can infiltrate well-meaning Pro-Palestinian groups and spread their garbage i nthe name of Palestinian oppression and go unchallenged for it. Diaspora Jews constantly find themselves in a position where they have to explain their position on Israel/Palestine, and whether they are Pro- or Anti- will greatly affect how these groups treat them. Even established Pro-Palestine "Good" Jews will regularly have their loyalty tested. Anti-Semitism is especially invisible in America thanks to the "White/PoC" dichotomy that American social justice communities prescribe by without considering how much more complicated it is in countries with much older conceptions on race and ethnicity than the US. Whether Latuff himself is Anti-Semitic or not doesn't matter, because his cartoons certainly are and they spread Anti-Semitic ideas throughout the Left thanks to his popularity.
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D.N. Nation posted:This was literally the second time I've ever talked about Latuff on this thread. And I think his cartoons serve a useful, vital purpose. I posted maybe four times, half of which were one-liner response posts and the other half of which I thought were painstakingly reasonable, but I guess I am the historical face of Latuffchat sooooo
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