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It's actually a flattering caricature in that it's probably as close as Gerald Scarfe can come to drawing a person without making them look like some kind of monster made up of screaming faces and human genitals.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:The government takes something you have an excess of that you couldn't possibly use to its fullest extent and turns it into higher-quality things you directly benefit from, with the extra going towards others who have less than you. I mean, it's not even a "sheep to the slaughter" or "wolf among sheep" metaphor, it's just a harmless shave that sheep are generally better off for. 
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Jan 15, 2015 22:48
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The last thing a guy with shoulder-length hair sees. 
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Saint Sputnik posted:I mean, it's not even a "sheep to the slaughter" or "wolf among sheep" metaphor, it's just a harmless shave that sheep are generally better off for.  So is that sheep about to metamorphosize into a giant horrible alien butterfly?
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Jan 15, 2015 22:48
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"Don't gently caress with this senator" indeed.
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Jan 15, 2015 22:51
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:
It's hibernating, duh. Stefu posted:I actually encountered this cartoon one time in Twitter when one of Finnish pro-Putin Twitter users claimed that it was Russophobic because obviously that's Putin. When I pointed out it's Netanyahu then suddenly it was completely a-OK. To be fair, I was wondering why a cartoon about Putin would be anti-semitic for a second too until I realized it was Bibi.
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Jan 15, 2015 22:52
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:
That's what happened in nature before we domesticated them, duh.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:
Where do you think goats come from, silly.
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Apple Pie Hubbub posted:This cartoon is new to Bok's site, but I feel like I've already seen it. I'm not sure if it was already posted here or if it's just pretty much the same as a dozen other cartoons. I think it showed up on GoComics a day or two ago.
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Hazamuth posted:
Thanks for these. I don't remember this guys details, but he must have come up before in some way, because I remember seeing this cartoon before.
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Jan 15, 2015 23:02
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Thanks for these. I don't remember this guys details, but he must have come up before in some way, because I remember seeing this cartoon before. I don't doubt it. They are after all highly offensive and highly offensive is what keeps this thread going on.
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Jan 15, 2015 23:05
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Have you been to many anti-Israel protests not organized by Jewish groups? It's a little uncomfortable when there's usually at least a few folks around in the crowd eager to tell you that the goddamn Jews are hiding the truth about the holocaust to keep zionism alive or something. I've been to a few (three iirc) and grew up with some of our closest family friends being Palestinians who still own property and have family in occupied territories. I have never seen or heard anyone express anti-semitic beliefs in any of these instances. In fact, the last time I dealt with it was when a neo-nazi (complete with swastika neck tattoo) punched me in the face at a concert back when I was in high school. I'm sorry that racists took over what was probably meant to be a peaceful protest in a localized situation, but generalizing to say that all anti-zionist/Israel groups contain or attract racists reeks of witchhunt-ery.
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Again I legitimately have no idea how you came to that conclusion when the post that got you pissed off was literally just saying 'it's pretty dishonest to act like the idea that anti-zionism having ANY anti-jewish poo poo in it is entirely a myth made by Israel'. The other person never said every group had them or even the majority of people involved shared those ideas, just that they do in fact exist and aren't just fake things made up to slander people, and they not only hurt, ya know, Jews and poo poo, but also hurt the anti-zionist cause by giving the far right and such ammo to go "SEE SEE ALL NAZIS'.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Again I legitimately have no idea how you came to that conclusion when the post that got you pissed off was literally just saying 'it's pretty dishonest to act like the idea that anti-zionism having ANY anti-jewish poo poo in it is entirely a myth made by Israel'. The other person never said every group had them or even the majority of people involved shared those ideas, just that they do in fact exist and aren't just fake things made up to slander people, and they not only hurt, ya know, Jews and poo poo, but also hurt the anti-zionist cause by giving the far right and such ammo to go "SEE SEE ALL NAZIS'. Again is there literally any evidence that racists infiltrating pro-Palestinian groups in order to spread racist propaganda and harass diaspora jews about their zionist stances is a major widespread problem?
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Again is there literally any evidence that racists infiltrating pro-Palestinian groups in order to spread racist propaganda and harass diaspora jews about their zionist stances is a major widespread problem? I don't think anyone's saying there's some kind of plot to spread propaganda, more that if you get a bunch of people together because "Israel is Bad" a lot of the people will end the sentence with "because they do terrible things to Palestine" but a nonzero proportion will end it with "because they are filthy Jews" since Israel kind-of-sort-of represents Judaism to some extent right now, as much as I disagree with it doing so.
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Again is there literally any evidence that racists infiltrating pro-Palestinian groups in order to spread racist propaganda and harass diaspora jews about their zionist stances is a major widespread problem? ...Where are you getting this? No it's not some loving organized thing from Racist HQ, it's a dude who already goes around thinking 'fuckin kikes and their media brainwashing' seeing people saying 'Israel is hosed up RE this issue' and going 'yea I agree' and no one telling him to shut the gently caress up when he talks about that first thing.
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Apple Pie Hubbub posted:
Bok's site is always a little bit behind because he has to formulate his well-constructed arguments! Chip Bok posted:The president is not Charlie Hebdo. He can’t even bring himself to utter the words “Islamic terror“. Why would he fly to Paris to march against it? Again- These types would only be happy if Obama flat out declared Islam a non-religion and demanded its practitioners convert to Southern Baptist, or something. e: Obama bombing the poo poo out of "Islamic terror" ain't poo poo! He won't march against it!
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I don't think anyone's saying there's some kind of plot to spread propaganda, more that if you get a bunch of people together because "Israel is Bad" a lot of the people will end the sentence with "because they do terrible things to Palestine" but a nonzero proportion will end it with "because they are filthy Jews" since Israel kind-of-sort-of represents Judaism to some extent right now, as much as I disagree with it doing so. Yeah but that's true about literally every political movement/stance. There's always gonna be the one guy who takes things too far (hell that's why this thread has a 'no poop touching' rule). What makes the anti-zionist case special? vv Like I said I've participated in anti-Israel protests and groups since I was a kid and I've never observed this behavior so I'm very skeptical. vv Prokhor Zakharov fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Jan 15, 2015 |
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Yeah but that's true about literally every political movement/stance. There's always gonna be the one guy who takes things too far (hell that's why this thread has a 'no poop touching' rule). What makes the anti-zionist case special? I'd think that a thing specifically having to do with Jews would attract way more anti-semites than things that do not have to do with Jews in the same way the Republican party didn't use as much coded racism before Obama was in office. EDIT: I think I should clarify that nobody here is trying to demote the anti-Israel movements by pointing out that it has a high chance of attracting nazis just due to the topics it addresses. It's just not as clear-cut as "that's just something Israel made up to discredit them" or whatever. Shame Boy fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jan 15, 2015 |
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This is a full-on derail at this point, if talking about the nature of opposition to Zionism is so important please consider taking it to a new thread, for the sake of us who just wanna talk about lovely editorial cartoons.
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Yeah but that's true about literally every political movement/stance. There's always gonna be the one guy who takes things too far (hell that's why this thread has a 'no poop touching' rule). What makes the anti-zionist case special? Because that's what people are yelling at each other about atm.
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Yeah but that's true about literally every political movement/stance. There's always gonna be the one guy who takes things too far (hell that's why this thread has a 'no poop touching' rule). What makes the anti-zionist case special? What makes it special is that literally no other political movement is taken seriously when they say 'no you're just making those people up to discredit us' but when poo poo comes up about how anti-zionism does in fact have anti-jewish things they maybe could police a little better (again there was straight up just a rally in europe that ended in Jewish homes and businesses getting hosed up, maybe someone should have said not to do that) it's all cartoons about how Israel just calls ANYONE who they don't like anti-jewish and they're making it up and apparently that's not to be pointed out as stupid. We're not the ones making anti-zionism 'special' we're holding it to the same standards every other movement is held to.
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carry on then posted:"Don't gently caress with this senator" indeed. "You know what? gently caress this election, I just want you dead."
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 I'm only posting this super boring cartoon for the tags. "Je suis Charlie" is not one of the tags. Instead, Significantly Below Average Joe posted:. . . je suez Charlie . . . Google translate tells me that's "I sweat Charlie".
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Again is there literally any evidence that racists infiltrating pro-Palestinian groups in order to spread racist propaganda and harass diaspora jews about their zionist stances is a major widespread problem? ladyboy pancake posted:The pseudo-Kristallnacht that happened in France started as a Palestine rally. Do you need more evidence of Antisemitism? Here's some more in France alone: Parisians chanting ""Jew, France is Not Yours!" " "French Jews flock to Israel amid rising Anti-Semitic attacks" And heres a BBC reporter bring up Palestine to a Jewish woman, apropos of nothing, as though French Jews are in any way responsible for Israel's action Do you need more? I can find more.
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Can we purge anti semites from our pro Palestinians group with like trots?
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Stormageddon posted:This is literally what they do, and it's both adorable and good for the industry. You might say it was a... good cartoon. 
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ladyboy pancake posted:Do you need more evidence of Antisemitism? Here's some more in France alone: So getting back to the original topic what should pro-Palestinians do about the fact that anti-semitism exists in the world?
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Kick them out of their causes? Like, when a dude starts bashing in Jewish windows, maybe don't join in?
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Rygar201 posted:Can we purge anti semites from our pro Palestinians group with like trots? I'd probably go with the LGBT movement ridding itself of people talking way too much about children's right to sexuality in the 70s for a historical analogy.
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As long as we're making a perfect world checklist why not add Muslims denouncing terrorists, Christians denouncing the KKK and hackers denouncing child porn distrubutors.
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Randler posted:I'd probably go with the LGBT movement ridding itself of people talking way too much about children's right to sexuality in the 70s for a historical analogy. They were holy poo poo horrifyingly common, too. 
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Kick them out of their causes? Like, when a dude starts bashing in Jewish windows, maybe don't join in? Who says they're joining in? Sounds like you're basically making up a problem while backpedaling about your own attacks on ~evil anti-israel cartoons~ edit: why dont these ferguson protesters get rid of all the violent elements???? is another one you can add to the list of unnecessary requests esto es malo fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Kick them out of their causes? Like, when a dude starts bashing in Jewish windows, maybe don't join in? ...I'm pretty sure the overlap between the more reasonable pro-Palestinians and people who attack Jews is pretty small, if it exists at all.
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Bicyclops posted:It's actually a flattering caricature in that it's probably as close as Gerald Scarfe can come to drawing a person without making them look like some kind of monster made up of screaming faces and human genitals. For comparison, here is Gerald Scarfe's Assad. 
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joeburz posted:Who says they're joining in? Sounds like you're basically making up a problem while backpedaling about your own attacks on ~evil anti-israel cartoons~ Things Ferguson people did when some elements of their protests got violent: -Defended local businesses against idiots -Publicly condemned and denounced them at every turn -Did everything in their power to make it clear 'you are not with us no matter what you think' But no, we're 'making up a problem', poo poo didn't get smashed, people haven't been shouting "Jews out of (insert nation here)" we're actually lying for reasons, because even us Jews who are anti-zionism are anti Palestine because we're just filthy tricky monster people.
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I'm just mad they figured out I'm a triple agent, against both the right wing Israeli policies of expansion and oppression of minority groups AND against those same minority groups, I'm actually working for the lizards who want to turn all of the middle east into a giant sun rock for them to warm their bellies on to ensure they have plenty of energy for the future enslavement of mankind.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:For comparison, here is Gerald Scarfe's Assad. Not wishing for a repeat of the previous day, Assad decides to more clearly label the buckets for red paint and his children's blood before taking a drink.
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