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I can't really blame the guy. Everyone who works in customer service has thoughts like those from time to time. Marketing for any sort of "creative" these days involves blogging/tweeting every thought you have. Combining the two processes was impolitic but everyone makes mistakes. And the gaming/nerd community is largely pretty horrible.
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The Moon Monster posted:I can't really blame the guy. Everyone who works in customer service has thoughts like those from time to time. Marketing for any sort of "creative" these days involves blogging/tweeting every thought you have. Combining the two processes was impolitic but everyone makes mistakes. And the gaming/nerd community is largely pretty horrible. I mean, none of those are really inaccurate, and until the post devolved into poo poo-slinging and Phil Fish worship, I was kinda on-board, but uh... jesus. 
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Jan 15, 2015 00:37
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Kyrosiris posted:I mean, none of those are really inaccurate, and until the post devolved into poo poo-slinging and Phil Fish worship, I was kinda on-board, but uh... jesus. Fez was pretty great 
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Jan 15, 2015 00:38
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Hav posted:Actually, it isn't. That's a conceit supplied by the illusion of access because modern advertising works through interviews and the hype machine, but THAT'S THE POINT OF THE POST. I thought the point of the post was "I don't want to support users that paid $1 for my game". To which the answer seems to be: don't sell it for $1?
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Jan 15, 2015 00:58
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Kyrosiris posted:I mean, none of those are really inaccurate, and until the post devolved into poo poo-slinging and Phil Fish worship, I was kinda on-board, but uh... jesus. Fish did get unnecessary poo poo basically from fad chasers trying to be clever though. edit: I think I agree that a lot of the points aren't wrong, it's just that reading it feels like watching someone's breakdown. vv That agrees with my point; he hasn't actually done or said anything notable in years. mycot fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jan 15, 2015 |
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Jan 15, 2015 01:01
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When's Fez II coming out again?
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Suspicious Dish posted:When's Fez II coming out again? Last I heard, Phil Fish was planning to sell the rights. Then he deleted or privated his twitter so who the gently caress knows. Yodzilla posted:He's not wrong about Yogventures but There's actually something to that 'not good or evil, just lame and boring' thing. At least truly bad games get remembered. And at least the people who make them can learn from them. Mediocre games are a real problem. They're not bad enough to mean anything to anyone, so nobody speaks up about them, and there's not enough incentive to learn from them.
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Jan 15, 2015 01:12
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BiggerJ posted:There's actually something to that 'not good or evil, just lame and boring' thing. At least truly bad games get remembered. And at least the people who make them can learn from them. Mediocre games are a real problem. They're not bad enough to mean anything to anyone, so nobody speaks up about them, and there's not enough incentive to learn from them. This does describe most kickstarter games really well.
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Jan 15, 2015 02:07
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Mimetic posted:I thought the point of the post was "I don't want to support users that paid $1 for my game". To which the answer seems to be: don't sell it for $1? Or just don't support the users, and deal with the consequences like an adult. Really, the answer is always "deal with the consequences of your own choices like an adult, instead of like a child throwing a tantrum."
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Jan 15, 2015 02:15
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The 5v1 slasher film game devs have been sued for copyright infringement, apparently.
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Jan 15, 2015 23:18
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Basic Chunnel posted:The 5v1 slasher film game devs have been sued for copyright infringement, apparently. Who is suing them? I mean a lot of the stuff in there was pretty on the nose homage, but I don't think they actually went straight out and named copyrighted characters. Or is this just one of those things where a big studio files a lawsuit they know they probably won't win just because they can?
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Jan 15, 2015 23:32
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Who is suing them? I mean a lot of the stuff in there was pretty on the nose homage, but I don't think they actually went straight out and named copyrighted characters. quote:Crystal Lake Entertainment, Inc. (Sean Cunningham) and Horror, Inc. are the rights holders of the "Friday the 13th" movie franchise. This includes all characters, such as Jason, and movie posters and one-sheets, and the right to create derivative works. This also includes all trademark rights.
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Jan 15, 2015 23:54
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If they tried to make a Jason or Freddy Kruger game without the rights then yeah, that's actually what copyright law is for and they had it coming. Business as usual for Kickstarter projects, though.
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Jan 15, 2015 23:56
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The point is that it wasn't literally a Jason or Freddy game. There were very close parodies of Jason at the least, but it's not an unlicensed Jason game.
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Jan 15, 2015 23:58
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Arnold of Soissons posted:Actually they were specifically bitching about people who had bought their games in bundles or with steam coupons (which were supposedly created against their wishes) who had paid less than a buck for the game but still expected technical support to make the games run haha, cool, it's the titan attacks guy. he had a giant meltdown over at the TIGSource forums several years ago over a bogus plagiarism claim. Glad to know he's still imploding in slow motion.
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Jan 16, 2015 00:02
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Not video game related but I got my Reading Rainbow coffee mug and magnet in the mail today. Easiest 50 dollars donated.
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Jan 16, 2015 00:34
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Igneos: The Last Phoenix is a game that has been kicking around for years and I had forgotten it even existed. It's now on Kickstarter and I always thought it looked pretty rad. It's basically Okami except you're a bird.
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Jan 16, 2015 01:10
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Oblivion4568238 posted:The point is that it wasn't literally a Jason or Freddy game. There were very close parodies of Jason at the least, but it's not an unlicensed Jason game.
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Basic Chunnel posted:It's not parody though. and it's not a Friday the 13th game in the same way Deadly Premonition wasn't a Twin Peaks game I meant homage more than parody, apologies, but the point stands that the character was not literally Jason. And, would you argue that David Lynch ought to have enforced copyright over Deadly Premonition? Yes, it is indeed not a Friday the 13th game in a similar way Deadly Premonition isn't a Twin Peaks game, just heavily inspired by it. Besides which, there were more killers planned for the game than just the Jason knock-off, and more environments than the lake camp knock-off. So, it's even less similar overall to Friday the 13th than DP is to Twin Peaks, even if the rest of it is cribbed from other psycho stalker horror franchises.
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Jan 16, 2015 05:41
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Even so, it really depends on what elements the Friday the 13th people are laying claim to. They probably couldn't make a very sound claim to owning slasher horror in general, but they could point to the lake camp concept together with the conceit of teens trying to survive against a supernatural homicidal maniac and say "this is clearly based on Friday the 13th". It's not hard to envision a judge agreeing with them there. It doesn't matter if it's just one small part of the whole, it was used to sell the game and they could very well be compelled to pay. And really, they couldn't have done a pine forest camp or a ski lodge that just happens to feature a lake? They didn't protect themselves all that well.
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Jan 16, 2015 07:23
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Copyright laws are bullshit, that said, they have a pretty good case.
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Basic Chunnel posted:Even so, it really depends on what elements the Friday the 13th people are laying claim to. They probably couldn't make a very sound claim to owning slasher horror in general, but they could point to the lake camp concept together with the conceit of teens trying to survive against a supernatural homicidal maniac and say "this is clearly based on Friday the 13th". It's not hard to envision a judge agreeing with them there. It doesn't matter if it's just one small part of the whole, it was used to sell the game and they could very well be compelled to pay. And really, they couldn't have done a pine forest camp or a ski lodge that just happens to feature a lake? They didn't protect themselves all that well. Gamespot posted:...United States Magistrate Judge Richard Seeborg granted Capcom's motion to dismiss the suit, saying that The MKR Group (the producer's company) "has not identified any similarity between Dead Rising and any protected element of Dawn of the Dead. Rather, the few similarities MKR has alleged are driven by the wholly unprotectable concept of humans battling zombies in a mall during a zombie outbreak."
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The Kins posted:Something similar happened between Capcom and and the owners of Dawn of the Dead when Dead Rising 1 came out. Yeah, but I don't remember Capcom explicitly mentioning Dawn of the Dead in their marketing materials.
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Jan 16, 2015 08:46
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Didn't they have a disclaimer that it wasn't Dawn of the Dead though?
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Jan 16, 2015 08:58
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Yeah, I think I remember it being strangely prominent on the back cover of the box.
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Jan 16, 2015 09:13
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It was on the front, but yeah, you had to ignore it to miss it.
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senrath posted:Yeah, but I don't remember Capcom explicitly mentioning Dawn of the Dead in their marketing materials. 
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Jan 16, 2015 09:45
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The Romero Bros. certainly know how to make bad video games and think they're great ideas.
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Jan 16, 2015 10:03
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Looks like Johnny Rocketfingers 3 ain't gonna make it. It's a shame, I'd be real curios to play it. In my opinion the ask is way too high for just the first episode in a series. I mean, I can understand working in the US =/= working in the EU, but much more polished AGs asked for less for full games. I think had he ask for 50k he would've made it... 80k I think is intimidating for backers, they think "never gonna make it" and skip it.
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Accordion Man posted:Didn't they have a disclaimer that it wasn't Dawn of the Dead though? I think that was added after the lawsuit.
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The White Dragon posted:Took a year of sitting on Greenlight and I guess some nutjob just saw something he didn't like. He must've jumped through some fuckin' hoops, though, because he contacted me at my personal email rather than the support one I used to develop that game. It actually wasn't that interesting and it sounded like he was reading off a checklist of "this is why games where you save damsels is bad" and while he sent four or five in the space of a few hours asking why I wasn't engaging in a rhetoric with him, I was sleeping at the time The White Dragon posted:I guess it kinda depends on the venue, but the place I went was 100GBP plus some regkeys for an audience that doesn't buy games they don't get for free anyway. That's great that you are in the top 10 now, but I'd have said there's no need to buy votes. You can get them for free if you just want some traffic with a key giveaway (eg I gave away 100 keys here)
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Jan 16, 2015 13:52
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 They may not be referring to him as Jason Vorhees, but that look is iconic and unique enough to be associated 100% with Jason. And setting the game at Silver Lake Camp is just icing on the cake. Crystal Lake Entertainment has every right to ask for it to be taken down.
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Fair enough, I'd forgotten about that disclaimer. Still, I hold that there's a difference between saying "We're not affiliated with these guys in any way" and "Give us money to make a game based on these guys!"
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Hakkesshu posted:Igneos: The Last Phoenix is a game that has been kicking around for years and I had forgotten it even existed. It's now on Kickstarter and I always thought it looked pretty rad. It's basically Okami except you're a bird. Wow I completely forgot about this. Glad to see it's still trucking along but does it look very...default Unreal Engine to anyone else? Maybe it'll change once they upgrade from UDK to proper Unreal. Also these rad people are collecting money for games so they can host safe entertainment spots at a library for underprivileged kids. They're rad and you should help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIYkt8ohdyo https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/bayard-taylor-memorial-library-video-game-club
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That almost seems to me like a underhanded way to get "Dawn of the Dead" on your game box legally.  I was at a conference where Randy Pitchford said that the Brothers in Arms series was explicitly named such to be legally distinct from HBO's Band of Brothers, but to still make people think it was the same thing or at least associate it with that well-received show. Its pretty sad how the game industry constantly copies off each other, and then pretends like it didn't and sues other people who do the same.  All the early game companies like Id and Epic did stuff like stealing floppies to distribute the game, copying music, copying art assets, using extremely similar concepts, etc. Now they've all got legal teams and they get pissy if the new indies do the same.
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Yodzilla posted:Wow I completely forgot about this. Glad to see it's still trucking along but does it look very...default Unreal Engine to anyone else? Maybe it'll change once they upgrade from UDK to proper Unreal. Yeah, I don't know. It probably won't make it anyway, I just still think it's a pretty cool concept.
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Yodzilla posted:Wow I completely forgot about this. Glad to see it's still trucking along but does it look very...default Unreal Engine to anyone else? Maybe it'll change once they upgrade from UDK to proper Unreal. I dunno, looks more Borderlands than vanilla-Unreal to me
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retro sexual posted:That's great that you are in the top 10 now, but I'd have said there's no need to buy votes. You can get them for free if you just want some traffic with a key giveaway (eg I gave away 100 keys here) Yeah, Whosgamingnow changed their policy and they charge these days 
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Christian Knudsen posted:
I've gotta agree. That's blatantly "Hey, this TOTALLY ISN'T JASON, nudge nudge wink wink, say no more".
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If they'd used any other kind of mask for that image, they likely would not have gotten hit with a lawsuit threat. As it is, that's pretty much just a straight up copy of Jason.
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