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Unf gently caress I want to play this game again what faction should I play!? From my cursory look at the pdf, stuff looks pretty similar. Not giant paradigm shifts from what I can see, but I am basing it on poor memory from taking several years off of the game. The n3 rulebook is so clean and nice :] I briefly played haqq and didnt like their light infantry playstyle. Nomads were fun, CA was pretty cool. Considering panO or yujing this time around, I barely played with HS models/rules and definitely did not ever play a sectorial. I think I might concentrate on orange china dudes.
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Correct: factional identities are basically unchanged in N3, though the HI-focused factions/sectorials ought to function better thanks to the overall buffs to HI. If you can identify it, what did you dislike about Haqq's LI-focused style?
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Jan 15, 2015 23:12
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I'm glad I have JSA as well. Now's a good time to run a Haramaki link.
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Just finished my third n3 profile game tonight and holy.poo poo Bulleteers are a loving steal. Took Joan Lt and a FK hacker, what a combo. 
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I'm not super great on what exactly has changed with Adriana, but here's what I'm noticing. - USAdriana got rangers with Infiltration and Tactical Bows. Most dangerous game motherfuckers.  - 8 point Irmandihos. Comes stock with engineer, chain rifles, an AP CCW and a 20 CC! Hot drat. Gonna be a staple in a vanilla list. - Antipode Assault Packs are just 25 points for the handler and the pups! They also have that new Kinemati-whatever skill L2. What's the skinny on that? - Briscards, Cameronians, and all our HI is still overpriced and bad.
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bhsman posted:Are the Spetznas actually bad? They have such cool models, though. No he means they are hideous, as in disgusting to play against. The skinny is camo isn't as good in some ways so all our camo models have been affected. CC is better and we have gotten lots of cc buffs. Shotguns and grenades are better and we have lots of access to those on the cheap and high phys. I think our HI is better but not necessarily good enough to take over standard stuff. Minutemen got the most comprehensive makeover and Moblot engineers could be a thing. This is discounting sectorials as we don't know the new rules yet. Mostly we got point reductions and cc buffs. All other HI are still are virtually the same sans the point reductions.
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Hoboskins posted:No he means they are hideous, as in disgusting to play against. The skinny is camo isn't as good in some ways so all our camo models have been affected. CC is better and we have gotten lots of cc buffs. Shotguns and grenades are better and we have lots of access to those on the cheap and high phys. I think our HI is better but not necessarily good enough to take over standard stuff. Minutemen got the most comprehensive makeover and Moblot engineers could be a thing. This is discounting sectorials as we don't know the new rules yet. Mostly we got point reductions and cc buffs. All other HI are still are virtually the same sans the point reductions. Its not as good in some ways, meaning that you no longer get a free shot against people when coming out of camo so you can't just trade your cheap guy for their expensive one anymore. However, the -3 to react against someone coming out of camo means your camo dudes are WAY more likely to live now. They're not disposable suicide bombers anymore but they might actually survive. I think it's overall better, not just for balance but for making Ariadna more interesting to play and to play against.
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Jan 16, 2015 00:24
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I've said it before and I'll probably have to say it again: Spetsnaz are absurdly good.
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Jan 16, 2015 00:27
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Yeah agreed, Spetsnaz are off the wall good I think. Like they're just so good at what they do that I can't see an Ariadna player not taking them (outside of sectorial AVA).
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JoshTheStampede posted:Auxilia FOs... Sup with them? They cost 4 points less than they used to, unless I am missing something here. Oooh, the auxbot cant use flash pulse. DJ Dizzy fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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DJ Dizzy posted:Sup with them? They cost 4 points less than they used to, unless I am missing something here.
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Flipswitch posted:The Auxbot no longer has FO with them. Makes sense then, 2 pts for an FO upgrade. Costs the same for fusis.
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PaintVagrant posted:Unf gently caress I want to play this game again what faction should I play!? From my cursory look at the pdf, stuff looks pretty similar. Not giant paradigm shifts from what I can see, but I am basing it on poor memory from taking several years off of the game. From my biased point of view, I want to see you go Yujing because I'd be stoked to see what colorscheme you come up with.
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PaintVagrant, if you like HI, definitely lean towards PanO or YJ and go with the one ya prefer aesthetically!DJ Dizzy posted:Makes sense then, 2 pts for an FO upgrade. Costs the same for fusis.
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Jan 16, 2015 00:58
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Now Domaru are stupid cheap and can get ridiculously high CC I am going to run a 5-man link (4 dudes + Oyama) all the time in JSA, and run around throwing EM grenades and hitting people with swords. Even if I lose every game it will be worth it for the one time Oyama cuts a Jotum in half with a crit or something. On a more serious note the Thorakitai discounts make Steel Phalanx look quite fun.
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Jan 16, 2015 01:08
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Unable to access the file until much later. How is PanO at a glance?
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Jan 16, 2015 01:42
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Good, Joan is excellent, Knights are all cheaper as are our combat REMs.
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quote:Spetsnaz Sounds awesome; I still need to finish painting what few Ariadna models I have left, but Spetsnaz'll probably be my first Infinity purchase in a year or so.
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That is nice. What about TAGs and the other HIs? I got a Cutter and was interested in using Toni and Seraph. HI wise I currently got Swiss guard with HMG, ORC troop and a holy sepulchre knight.
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Weissritter posted:That is nice. What about TAGs and the other HIs? I got a Cutter and was interested in using Toni and Seraph. HI wise I currently got Swiss guard with HMG, ORC troop and a holy sepulchre knight. I'm not convinced the Seraph is worthwhile, but everything else is either still strong or (in the case of HI) universally buffed.
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Weissritter posted:That is nice. What about TAGs and the other HIs? I got a Cutter and was interested in using Toni and Seraph. HI wise I currently got Swiss guard with HMG, ORC troop and a holy sepulchre knight. The Sepulchre is pretty good, but all your opponents will also be fine with you using him as any other knight, pretty much. Same with using the Swiss as an Aquila to try it out, etc.
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I'm pretty keen on the Deva with Sensor. Targeted fire, discovering on a 21... Good times.
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So, I assume that tournament is saved with actual N3 PDFs put? VVV: 
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Pierzak posted:So, I assume that tournament is saved with actual N3 PDFs put? Until the updated rules come out, you can't use anything without N3 rules. Links, Viral, Sync, G: Jumper, etc. Also I'm more boned because it's like one week away and I need to paint everything. I was working on tables because I didn't know what I could take.
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WAR FOOT posted:Until the updated rules come out, you can't use anything without N3 rules. Links, Viral, Sync, G: Jumper, etc. That's especially loving stupid considering they have said from the beginning this book wasn't replacing HS or CP and that those rules would continue to function as-is unless they decide to tweak them. Those rules ARE N3 rules. Now that we have point costs and profiles there's zero poo poo that doesn't "work" in N3. I'd like it if Jumper were made less complicated and better, and we need some clarification on how (if?) link teams interact with coordinated orders, but that's like 5 minutes of TO work rather than "eh, gently caress, just don't take it".
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Regardless, the HS and CP rules FAQ is due out next week, so that shouldn't be a problem.
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Hortism posted:Regardless, the HS and CP rules FAQ is due out next week, so that shouldn't be a problem. Cue "waah waah, too recent, we need some time to let players prepare, not allowed" bullshit.
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That sounds like an interesting tournament. Are you also only allowed to bring miniatures carried in Battlefoam or some other retarded poo poo? Also, why the gently caress is the machinist the only engineer in PanO?
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Either way, having already paid for accommodation and rental, I'm going, even if I have to leave my favourite toy, the Posthumans, at home. Have a tentative list in the meantime!  ALEPH────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1   8  0  0 MARUT Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Nanopulser / AP CCW. (3 | 120) DACTYL Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher, D-Charges / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (23) DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (15)DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (15)DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (15) NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)3 SWC | 200 Points
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That seems, I dunno. Lose your netrods and you are in the poo poo.
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DJ Dizzy posted:That seems, I dunno. Lose your netrods and you are in the poo poo. That sums up a lot of ALEPH lists at 200pts. 
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DJ Dizzy posted:Also, why the gently caress is the machinist the only engineer in PanO? This is probably what I am most angry about. I am used to having lovely specialists, but if I want a lovely hacker or a lovely doctor or an expensive FO, I have loving OPTIONS. Engineers, in the most technologically advanced power in the world, the one who builds all the TAGs every other nation-state uses? Yeah, we get one. And he's wip 12, AVA 1, and not linkable in any sectorial.
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DJ Dizzy posted:That seems, I dunno. Lose your netrods and you are in the poo poo. Note that with how Dispersion works now, Netrods are more likely to scatter off the table...which is good for you, since they they wind up in your deployment zone, where you want them anyway. That is if I understand correctly how Netrods interact with new AD rules.
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Isnt the format some crazy 100, 200, 300 then 400 pts escalation thing? Even if it wasnt in Canberra I think i'd give the whole thing a pass just for how stressful this whole lead up has been. Not to mention still having to get my head around a bunch of N3 rules.
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JoshTheStampede posted:This is probably what I am most angry about. I am used to having lovely specialists, but if I want a lovely hacker or a lovely doctor or an expensive FO, I have loving OPTIONS. Engineers, in the most technologically advanced power in the world, the one who builds all the TAGs every other nation-state uses? Yeah, we get one. And he's wip 12, AVA 1, and not linkable in any sectorial. As pierzak so nicely put it on the official forums "Repairing old stuff is for poors"
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Hortism posted:Isnt the format some crazy 100, 200, 300 then 400 pts escalation thing? It has been incredibly stressful! Thankfully, they scrapped the dumb dumb stupid 150, 200, 300, 350, 400 format. I love those guys, but it was such a dumb call. Now it's 200 for rounds 1-3, and 400 rounds 4-5. Which still isn't super great? I think I'd prefer a static tournament at a fixed value.
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JoshTheStampede posted:Note that with how Dispersion works now, Netrods are more likely to scatter off the table...which is good for you, since they they wind up in your deployment zone, where you want them anyway. I think they're still destroyed if they scatter off.
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WAR FOOT posted:It has been incredibly stressful! I like to think of 250 or 300 to be the sweet spot of list building. 200 seems a bit too small and I dont want to think about how cluster fucky 400 gets as someone who really hates having to use more than one combat groups.
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DJ Dizzy posted:As pierzak so nicely put it on the official forums "Repairing old stuff is for poors" This. In the utopian, hyper-advanced society of PanOceania you have nanotech factories that are either fully-automated or require years of extensive specialized education to handle (and you don't want to risk those people on a military mission), or you get techs that can swap replace modules and follow procedures but are helpless when it comes to actually fixing the bleeding-edge guts of their hardware. I said the above semi-jokingly, but I can definitely see corporations furthering the "fix nothing, replace everything, we're rich and prosperous" mindset to the extreme. At least Yu Jing officials can admit that life can suck, poo poo breaks down and when you absolutely need your gear in working condition you license an Aleph specialist   
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Aaaaaargh, I had messaged the TO prior to ask if there would be a painting component as restricted models, abundance of proxies, etc, and he told me no, so rather than paint my mans, I worked on tables to take to the tournament. He just messaged me again to say that because there's new profiles, there will be paint scoring. FML.  e: Thankfully, it is now a painting contest, not something that contributes to your score, but still... Clawtopsy fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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