|
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 06:41 |
|
|
# ? Jun 4, 2024 04:11 |
|
What's the word on whether American Sniper glorifies war or not? From the trailer I couldn't tell at all.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 06:42 |
|
I don't know. A lot of people on twitter are pointing towards awful things Kyle said in his book or w/e, but I don't know if that's preemptive, or if there's reason to believe the movie makes him seem like a true patriot who had to make Tough Decisions and all that jazz.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 06:44 |
|
HootTheOwl posted:Holy poo poo why are we still talking about the Ted Rall of Brazil?
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 06:50 |
|
Found this while cleaning up old files, presented here because the understanding of what Antisemitism looks like seems to have been lost.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:00 |
|
Also how in the gently caress is this thread already nearly 100 pages just two weeks into the year?
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:05 |
|
TetsuoTW posted:Also how in the gently caress is this thread already nearly 100 pages just two weeks into the year? Because we completely loving hate ourselves Also, Charlie Hebdo
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:06 |
|
Like ten of them were just today arguing over whether Israel = Jews or whatever.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:08 |
|
Post 9-11 User posted:Found this while cleaning up old files, presented here because the understanding of what Antisemitism looks like seems to have been lost. Isn't that s wallpaper from STALKER?
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:10 |
|
TetsuoTW posted:Also how in the gently caress is this thread already nearly 100 pages just two weeks into the year? Most of them is people arguing if they understand true satire, or not, or if it is horrible racism. And then someone declared that Latuff was the Ramirez of Brazil, which is like being Hitler cause you know the Boys of Brazil and all that. So basically none of the 100 pages were worth reading except for a few posts.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:12 |
|
Post 9-11 User posted:Found this while cleaning up old files, presented here because the understanding of what Antisemitism looks like seems to have been lost. Is there some hidden meaning behind using Call of Pripyat art for this thumbnail?
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:14 |
|
Lady Naga posted:Is there some hidden meaning behind using Call of Pripyat art for this thumbnail? joeburz posted:is this a real thing? I'm on my phone at the moment but I'll attach a link here once I can get to a computer. Edit: here we go: http://www.rense.com/general24/illegalforUS.html You have to report it if you're engaging in a boycott, and if you boycott something unsanctioned by the US government you can be fined or jailed for it. Jeez, that sounds...really lovely when I put it like that. InequalityGodzilla fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Jan 16, 2015 |
# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:17 |
|
TetsuoTW posted:Also how in the gently caress is this thread already nearly 100 pages just two weeks into the year? News and derails happened and we're a chatty bunch.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:17 |
|
InequalityGodzilla posted:Major Degtyriev is secretly a massive antisemite? Maybe it's just because it's super popular on 4chan but if I found out that neo-nazis really loving loved S.T.A.L.K.E.R. I somehow wouldn't be surprised. I suppose that a military junta is one of the most prominent factions would probably appeal to them.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:30 |
|
Lady Naga posted:Maybe it's just because it's super popular on 4chan but if I found out that neo-nazis really loving loved S.T.A.L.K.E.R. I somehow wouldn't be surprised. I suppose that a military junta is one of the most prominent factions would probably appeal to them. Well it's popular in the former Soviet bloc and if there's one thing the former Soviet bloc loves it's questionable fusions of nazi and soviet rhetoric.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:34 |
|
majormonotone posted:Also, Charlie Hebdo
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:56 |
|
Here are some cartoons from Arabic language cartoonists from Twitter. I'm relying on Google Translate for the bulk of this, so I apologise if my attributions are incorrect. Ahmed Rahma, AlJazeera Arabic 1 I believe this is a Saudi Arabian cartoon? The politician sitting on top of the cage is holding a "Je Suis Charlie" sign. The people in the cage are a reporter, cameraman and a protester (not sure what his sign says). The arrow sign is pointing to Recently a blogger in Saudi Arabia was sentenced to 1000 lashes and 10 years in prison for creating a free speech forum on his website. Ironically, a number of leaders of countries that regularly practice journalistic repression attended the French memorial services. ??? al-Athbah, Al Arab Qatar 2 The sign says "Journalism is not a crime ... and I am not Charlie" I can't decipher this dude's signature, but his twitter is @barq_news 3 Anti-Muslim, Anti-Semitism Also from @barq_news 4 Emad Hajjaj 5 The sign says "#jesuischarlie", and the Palestinian woman is saying "#It's been going on for 67 years" (The joke is that "it's been going on" kind of sounds like "Charlie") Moses Jawi, Al Jazeera Arabic 6 Leaders running over "Gaza martyrs" to lay flowers on the memorial for French terror victims. 7 No idea who the artist is but check out that Netanyahu caricature. And to wrap it up, a classic Latuff has been making the rounds recently. You may recall this as one of his controversially anti-Semitic cartoons. I think it's one of the ones that got him labeled an anti-Semite by an anti-defamation organization (Simon Wiesenthal center maybe)? 8 Again, sincere apologies for any translation or other errors.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 08:06 |
|
1 2 3
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 08:32 |
|
Latuff did "Dying for Bush's oil profits" right? When Did consensus decide he was good at his job?
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 08:42 |
|
Sega 32X posted:Latuff did "Dying for Bush's oil profits" right? When Did consensus decide he was good at his job? He does cartoons about how monogamy is bad and threesomes are cool and drew SSJ3 Goku loving a man in the rear end. He's basically the most Goon Friendly cartoonist.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 08:44 |
|
ZenMasterBullshit posted:He does cartoons about how monogamy is bad and threesomes are cool and drew SSJ3 Goku loving a man in the rear end. Wait Wait, he draws like he has seen a woman naked, this is not very goon like. I am on to you.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 08:52 |
|
Samurai Sanders posted:What's the word on whether American Sniper glorifies war or not? From the trailer I couldn't tell at all. Haven't seen it. Don't really want to (but then I tend to avoid Iraq movies even when everyone says they're good), but the actual dude it's based on,Chris Kyle, was a total creep and compulsive liar and it sounds like the movie is a bit of a white wash. Here's how the New Yorker described him The New Yorker posted:Kyle seemed to consider himself a cross between a lawman and an executioner. His platoon had spray-painted the image of the Punisher—a Marvel Comics character who wages “a one-man war upon crime”—on their flak jackets and helmets. Kyle made a point of ignoring the military dress code, cutting the sleeves off shirts and wearing baseball caps instead of a helmet. (“Ninety per cent of being cool is looking cool,” he wrote.) Like many soldiers, Kyle was deeply religious and saw the Iraq War through that prism. He tattooed one of his arms with a red crusader’s cross, wanting “everyone to know I was a Christian.” When he learned that insurgents had placed a bounty on his head and had named him al-Shaitan Ramadi—the Devil of Ramadi—he felt “proud.” He “hated the drat savages” he was fighting. In his book, he recounts telling an Army colonel, “I don’t shoot people with Korans. I’d like to, but I don’t.” Charming, I know. Now, the guy has 160 confirmed kills and possibly even more unconfirmed ones making him the deadliest sniper in US military history and by most accounts he had the crippling PTSD to match, so I don't want to be to hard on him, but then again this is a guy who claimed to have beaten up Jesse Ventura in a bar fight after Ventura badmouthed the SEALs and said they "deserved to lose a few." Ventura sued him for defamation and was awarded 1.8 million). According to Ventura, he didn't mind the story about being "punched out" so much as the fact that now he can't go in front of a group of fellow veterans (Ventura did naval demolitions in Vietnam) without getting booed and hissed for something he never even said. And then there's this: The New Yorker posted:Supporting veterans was only one way that Kyle tried to establish a new identity off the battlefield; it was hard to let go of being a hero. In January, 2010, Kyle later told friends, he was once again put to the test: two men tried to carjack his truck. He was parked at a gas station, southwest of Dallas. “He told the robbers that he just needed to reach back into the truck to get the keys,” Michael J. Mooney wrote in a recent article about Kyle, in D Magazine. Mooney, who had worked on the piece with Kyle’s coöperation, wrote that Kyle “turned around and reached under his winter coat instead, into his waistband. With his right hand, he grabbed his Colt 1911”—a sidearm that is popular with military personnel. “He fired two shots under his left armpit, hitting the first man twice in the chest. Then he turned slightly and fired two more times, hitting the second man twice in the chest. Both men fell dead.” If you think that one is the embodiment of thingthatreallyhappened.txt, you ain't heard nothing. From the same article: quote:The SEALs began telling stories, and Kyle offered a shocking one. In the days after Hurricane Katrina, he said, the law-and-order situation was dire. He and another sniper travelled to New Orleans, set up on top of the Superdome, and proceeded to shoot dozens of armed residents who were contributing to the chaos. Three people shared with me varied recollections of that evening: the first said that Kyle claimed to have shot thirty men on his own; according to the second, the story was that Kyle and the other sniper had shot thirty men between them; the third said that she couldn’t recall specific details. So yeah, the guy was deranged and obsessed with his own aggrandizement, and, unfortunately, people believed him. Since his death (he was shot by a marine with PTSD, apparently during a psychotic break), there's been a rush to lionize him as a True American Hero, but all I see is a strong, egocentric man who went off to war, killed a lot of people, and came home broken. I really hope the movie touches on that, at least a little. Duckbox fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Jan 16, 2015 |
# ? Jan 16, 2015 08:52 |
|
That Obama at the top - gently caress you Lester.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:02 |
|
Samurai Sanders posted:What's the word on whether American Sniper glorifies war or not? From the trailer I couldn't tell at all. The trailer for the movie is so divorced from reality that I literally didn't realize what they were adapting until somebody told me. It's an adaptation of a man's autobiography wherein he brags about going to new Orleans during Katrina to murdering black people. Thankfully this probably didn't happen but this is the kind of thing he thought would make himself look cooler. He openly admitted to signing up to kill foreign people. He was the living embodiment of the over the top foreign invader stereotype of American soldiers. The only unfortunate thing about his death is he did not live long enough to lose more lawsuits. Eastwood could have chosen anyone else or just made an original a story. If it was not his intention to glorify this man he has raised the bar for abject failure. E: I guess I was beaten but it bears repeating rodbeard fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Jan 16, 2015 |
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:03 |
|
^^^beat ya to it by this much.^^^voltroon posted:Emad Hajjaj Super nitpicky, I know, but he forgot the "H" in UNHCR.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:09 |
|
Sega 32X posted:Latuff did "Dying for Bush's oil profits" right? When Did consensus decide he was good at his job? Latuff's job is to draw protest signs for anti-US and anti-Israel protesters and he has been very good at that for a very long time. E: shut up about Latuff E: have a new Latuff! Saint Isaias Boner fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Jan 16, 2015 |
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:15 |
|
Mister Beeg posted:The cartoonist who drew this is a sexist douche (I used to have him on Facebook), but, I'll admit, this one made me laugh I just couldn't parse this one at all until I realised the hand holding a knife is actually the head of the guy talking
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:19 |
|
Gilganixon posted:Latuff's job is to draw protest signs for anti-US and anti-Israel protesters and he has been very good at that for a very long time. See, my problem with Latuff is less "Is he an anti-semite?" and more that I'm constantly getting mixed messages from him. On one hand he constantly draws the West loving things up with neocolonialism or what have you but then he draws stuff like this which I can't see any other way to interpret aside from "Why isn't West stopping bad thing?"
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:23 |
|
is it a coincidence that page 88 was dominated by latuff chat? clearly, the man is an anti-semite.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:25 |
|
Fojar38 posted:See, my problem with Latuff is less "Is he an anti-semite?" and more that I'm constantly getting mixed messages from him. On one hand he constantly draws the West loving things up with neocolonialism or what have you but then he draws stuff like this which I can't see any other way to interpret aside from "Why isn't West stopping bad thing?" Latuff's message is "gently caress the US".
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:26 |
|
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:26 |
|
Gilganixon posted:Latuff's message is "gently caress the US". IMO that is not a very intelligent stance for someone to take on literally every issue.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:28 |
|
At first glance I thought I was unironically agreeing with a Lester (why should religion get special treatment in jokes?) but then I look again and realized that no, he's still a fuckward.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:30 |
Fojar38 posted:IMO that is not a very intelligent stance for someone to take on literally every issue. Pretty good success rate, in my experience
|
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:33 |
|
Fojar38 posted:IMO that is not a very intelligent stance for someone to take on literally every issue. You're going to be right more often than not which is a better average than most cartoonists. E: FB
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:34 |
|
Gyre posted:At first glance I thought I was unironically agreeing with a Lester (why should religion get special treatment in jokes?) but then I look again and realized that no, he's still a fuckward.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:36 |
|
He's got major shithead tendencies, but one thing I really respect about Latuff is how much he's grown as an artist. Compare his stuff from ten years ago with his work today and the progress he's made in everything from caricature to composition is remarkable. It's clear this is a man who has worked very hard to hone his craft which, in an industry dominated by complacent hacks, I can't help but appreciate. So many of the cartoonists in this thread either haven't changed at all since it started (Tinsley, Ramirez, etc.) or have somehow managed to get worse (Muir, Rall), that genuine growth is something of a revelation. Actually, I've got a question for you all: who else, in your minds, has actually improved significantly in their craft (not talking message here, just actual skill at cartooning)? I know Bors has come a long way (not surprising given his age), and I feel like Allie's art is cleaner and more appealing than it used to be, but other than that, I'm drawing a blank.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:39 |
|
I always see Latuff pointing out how the United States ignores a bunch of people in need or this most recent one on India and Pakistan as less "why doesn't America do something about this," and more "America is lying about it's motivations." Notice the prominence of the nuclear weapons, it's an obvious call out of how the US talks up non-proliferation, especially when it comes to Iran, but doesn't give a poo poo for certain countries. I can understand why people don't agree with all of his work, but I'm not sure why a bunch of people become gibbering morons when they're exposed to it.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 09:50 |
|
Pink Floyd sucks.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 10:11 |
|
|
# ? Jun 4, 2024 04:11 |
|
Latuff is good not because he's right, but because he's really good at his craft. I kinda feel like Allie could just about be a good cartoonist if he were less spiteful and willfully dense, actually.
|
# ? Jan 16, 2015 11:15 |