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I never cared for Sam Kieth or Kelley Jones (or Simon Bisley, who I always seem to lump in with them), but I understand why people do. I guess I prefer a smoother, cleaner, less abstract kind of artist, which is why my favorites are probably Allred, Noto, Cooke, Maguire, Adam Hughes, and Art Adams. But people often forget Sam Kieth penciled the first few issues of Gaiman's Sandman, and it always looked really sloppy and rushed. Some of that may have been the coloring, but Sandman got a lot better when Mike Dringenberg took over the pencil art, and I'll be the first one to admit Kieth's work on Maxx, Marvel Comics Presents, and even those Batman covers I personally don't like is a lot better than his Sandman art.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:But people often forget Sam Kieth penciled the first few issues of Gaiman's Sandman, and it always looked really sloppy and rushed. Some of that may have been the coloring, but Sandman got a lot better when Mike Dringenberg took over the pencil art, and I'll be the first one to admit Kieth's work on Maxx, Marvel Comics Presents, and even those Batman covers I personally don't like is a lot better than his Sandman art. The fact that Keith hated working on Sandman might explain that.
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Jan 17, 2015 19:43
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Alhazred posted:The fact that Keith hated working on Sandman might explain that. That makes a lot of sense. I don't think Sandman really felt like Sandman until #8, the Death introduction (with Dringenberg art). It felt like a completely different book before that, with the Kieth art and horror focus up until then.
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Jan 17, 2015 19:58
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:That makes a lot of sense. I don't think Sandman really felt like Sandman until #8, the Death introduction (with Dringenberg art). It felt like a completely different book before that, with the Kieth art and horror focus up until then. Sam Kieth has said that he felt like Jimi Hendrix in the Beatles.
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Jan 17, 2015 20:10
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Jan 17, 2015 21:04
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And even Gaiman has said that it took him until issue 8 to find his voice. Heck, the very first Sandman TPB was just A Doll's House, with "The Sound of Her Wings" as a prologue.
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Jan 17, 2015 21:05
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I'm not a fan but I respect trying different poo poo and having a personal style. Still gross looking at Bane's infected underarms, though. Early Sandman is horrible to look at sometimes. Some characters worked really really well in the style but holy poo poo, way preferred what followed.
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Jan 17, 2015 22:50
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I love the Knightfall stuff. If you're stylizing at all you might as well go maximum grotesque for that character.
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Jan 17, 2015 22:55
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Teenage Fansub posted:I love the Knightfall stuff. If you're stylizing at all you might as well go maximum grotesque for that character.
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Jan 18, 2015 04:34
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Irish Joe posted:Astro City #19 I don't get it.
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Jan 18, 2015 16:29
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Senior Woodchuck posted:I don't get it. I'm guessing the quality of the cover by Ross and the interior, not so much.
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Jan 18, 2015 16:43
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I want to see a reverse of that, where the interior is the most beautiful, expensive art you can cram into a comic and the cover is just something some schlub threw to together an hour before the deadline.
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Jan 18, 2015 22:23
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Babe Magnet posted:I want to see a reverse of that, where the interior is the most beautiful, expensive art you can cram into a comic and the cover is just something some schlub threw to together an hour before the deadline.  
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Jan 18, 2015 22:35
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Astro City's interior art is like the worst part of Astro City for me. Sometimes it's okay, but most of the time it just looks off, especially faces. It has this habit of making it look like a lot of characters have palsy or something because one side just slumps down. At its worst, it strips the wonder of what should have been awe-inspiring or emotional moments. The best I can say about it is that sometimes it doesn't get in the way of the otherwise phenomenal stories. It's really unfortunate that it's contrasted with Alex Ross's work too, which I realize some people aren't a fan of, but I think looks great. Edit: Like what the hell is going on with Samaritan's (the guy in red on the right) eyes 
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Jan 18, 2015 22:47
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Irish Joe posted:Astro City #19 Reminds of the Buffy comic:   And to think that we might've gotten Pia Guerra.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I never cared for Sam Kieth or Kelley Jones (or Simon Bisley, who I always seem to lump in with them), but I understand why people do. I guess I prefer a smoother, cleaner, less abstract kind of artist, which is why my favorites are probably Allred, Noto, Cooke, Maguire, Adam Hughes, and Art Adams. Funnily enough Jones did Seasons of Mist and Dreams of a 1,000 Cats for Sandman and that turned out pretty well. The one thing I love about Jones' artwork is that it is very expressive over something like Liefeld who also makes wonky anatomy on his characters. With those Bane posters, while it clearly insane how muscular he is that is supposed to be the point. Bane is supposed to come out looking like some oppressive force of physical nature. He is supposed to a giant physical threat against Batman. It was never supposed to be realistic.
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GrandpaPants posted:Astro City's interior art is like the worst part of Astro City for me. Sometimes it's okay, but most of the time it just looks off, especially faces. It has this habit of making it look like a lot of characters have palsy or something because one side just slumps down. At its worst, it strips the wonder of what should have been awe-inspiring or emotional moments. The best I can say about it is that sometimes it doesn't get in the way of the otherwise phenomenal stories. It's really unfortunate that it's contrasted with Alex Ross's work too, which I realize some people aren't a fan of, but I think looks great. I appreciate that the artist tries to give every character some different physical characteristics (in build, faces, etc), even if he seems to re-use some models every few arcs.
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Can you guess who drew this variant cover?  What the gently caress gun is that supposed to be Carl?
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Jan 26, 2015 17:27
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Why that's a good old fashioned laser pipe. An elegant weapon for a more civilized age.
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It's almost boring trying to describe what's wrong with Rob's art anymore, so I will just say that it's almost shocking to me that the zombie on the bottom left isn't also gritting his teeth with super tight lips and a furrowed brow. Also I love that they apparently found laser space guns since I stopped reading Walking Dead.
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Jan 26, 2015 17:40
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Is it just me or is the laser angling up from the barrel? Laser-guided laser?
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Also I'll note that it's a variant for #1, in which Michonne does not appear.
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Jan 26, 2015 17:57
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Ahahaha where the gently caress is that arm coming from? Oh Rob you magnificent bastard.
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zoux posted:Can you guess who drew this variant cover? Why would I have to guess? It's got his name on it. (Also I thought we were supposed to stop posting him.)
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   Batgirl's eidetic memory visualisation is like a cross between Daredevil's radar sense and Sherlock's power of deduction.
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Speaking of Sam Keith, like Kelley Jones a couple of months ago, he just got a spot on the Batman backup. Batman #38 
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zoux posted:Can you guess who drew this variant cover? It amuses me that he'll still do anything to avoid drawing feet.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Speaking of Sam Keith, like Kelley Jones a couple of months ago, he just got a spot on the Batman backup. Words fail to convey the greatness of this.
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zoux posted:Can you guess who drew this variant cover? Yer man in the back there shooting the zombie's head off cracks me up more than it probably should.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Speaking of Sam Keith, like Kelley Jones a couple of months ago, he just got a spot on the Batman backup. Kieths art in the backup was some of the best artwork I have seen by him in a loooooong time.
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zoux posted:Can you guess who drew this variant cover? It looks like he drew it so both of Michonne's arms were holding the sword on the left and then said "gently caress it, two swords is way cooler!" and drew a third arm coming out of her back. Also, where is the blade for that second sword?
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Metal Loaf posted:Yer man in the back there shooting the zombie's head off cracks me up more than it probably should. It's like one of those Super Soakers with the backpack reservoirs.
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Well, wetter is better, after all.
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How loving hard is it for Liefield to google 'guns'? The one in the foreground is paper thin and the one in the background looks like a loving pipe.
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While he's at it he could google teeth.
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if you're buying a Rob Liefeld alternate cover you're buying it for irony value, not because it's going to be good art, and he probably recognizes that by now, so why the hell would he actually improve his art
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Mister Kingdom posted:I'm guessing the quality of the cover by Ross and the interior, not so much. Yeah this person is being dumb. Mediocre inked work does not mean the art is suddenly awful.
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laz0rbeak posted:Yeah this person is being dumb. Mediocre inked work does not mean the art is suddenly awful. that human looks like they are melting
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laz0rbeak posted:Yeah this person is being dumb. Mediocre inked work does not mean the art is suddenly awful. Serious question: how much credit/blame do inkers actually deserve? I know Kirby had at least one guy who would completely ignore background characters.
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prefect posted:Serious question: how much credit/blame do inkers actually deserve? I know Kirby had at least one guy who would completely ignore background characters. I'm pulling this straight out of my rear end but I would guess the blame would be split three ways between the penciller/inker/colorist. They are all equally capable of loving up or saving a piece.
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