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Sam jumps into Hauldren Collider's body and reads his last post. "Oh boy!"
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Hauldren Collider posted:So I'm graduating with a double BS in Statistics and Computer Science in May and I have a job lined up when I graduate. However I've always been interested in the legal profession (both my parents and both my grandfathers are attorneys) so I'm planning on applying to law school (though I'm not sure yet if I will go.) My top choice if I go to law school would be UVA (my dad went there and it's in-state). Anyway I have a few questions and this looks like the thread to ask them in: Before you ask us "how" to do this you should ask yourself "why." Your parents and grandparents were lawyers in the golden age of the profession. That age has long since ended, and the legal profession is contracting and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. You could be a programmer/developer/whatever in the golden age of THOSE professions, which seems set to continue for the foreseeable future. Maybe once you've established yourself you can explore some intersection with what remains of the legal field, but if you go NOW rather than spending a few years in the profession you've actually trained for, you will be throwing away hard-earned, marketable skills, and a convenient entry position for furthering those skills. Who knows what the economy will look like in three years; you may not be able to fall back on your CS degree if you can't get a legal job (or even more likely, can't stand the legal job you get). If you want more education for the sake of education/time away from the real world, why not get an MS in computer science?
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Jan 17, 2015 10:12
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If I had a BS in stats and computer science, I absolutely would not have gone to law school.
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Jan 17, 2015 10:29
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I am a fourth generation lawyer from a T14 and an unquestioned success story ITT because I'm a product manager with no desire to practice law. Don't go to law school.
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Jan 17, 2015 10:35
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If your parents are lawyers and they will give you a job when you graduate, it doesn’t matter what law school you attend, so just go to the cheapest one possible. Have a good time in Wyoming!
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Jan 17, 2015 11:55
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Goddamn it how are there people like this still around, asking their dumb questions with the most obvious answer ever Also no you can't work part time. 1L schedules are dictated by the law school and you should be spending much of your spare time studying.
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Jan 17, 2015 14:33
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Why would you do this? You're going places. I hate you.
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Jan 17, 2015 14:36
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Goddamn it how are there people like this still around, asking their dumb questions with the most obvious answer ever In fairness, the thread is seven years old and has a billion pages so who the gently caress would want to read the whole thing
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Jan 17, 2015 15:06
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Adar posted:In fairness, the thread is seven years old and has a billion pages so who the gently caress would want to read the whole thing To lurkers and prospective 1Ls who just nodded; you're loving idiots and that post was a trick, don't go to law school
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Jan 17, 2015 15:08
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Goddamn it how are there people like this still around, asking their dumb questions with the most obvious answer ever yeah, but some schools will look the other way. I worked a 20-30 hour week as a proofreader my 1L year...against ABA rules and not the best idea if you want to be order of the coif, but since ABA isn't paying my rent...
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Jan 17, 2015 15:19
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Dude has to be loving with us: 1) No one has read the whole thread. 2) No one who takes the LSAT doesn't know how good their score is. 3) 20 pages ago we were talking about lawyers leaving law for computer stuff.
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Jan 17, 2015 15:42
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Beyond the idiocy of going to law school, my 2nd worst decision was easily working part time during it. It's exhausting and absolutely no one cares about the "experience" or references you get while doing it, and your grades and social life will absolutely suffer.
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Jan 17, 2015 16:06
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Lote posted:Warszawa was probably on the Big Aristotle team at Liffeys. gently caress those guys Hahahahaha I love everything about this. Adar posted:To lurkers and prospective 1Ls who just nodded; you're loving idiots and that post was a trick, don't go to law school For reference, I am spending my Saturday reading through IRS interpretations of congressional acts - hundreds of pages per act - in order to write maybe three to eight sentences. The Warszawa fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Jan 17, 2015 |
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Jan 17, 2015 16:17
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Hauldren Collider posted:Also I am fortunate in that cost is not an issue for me. Why do people say this? Who are you people that have so much money that not only can you afford to dump it into law school (and then forgo three years of earnings and experience), but you can't think of anything better to do with it?
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Jan 17, 2015 16:47
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one of the new parents in my baby music class has a 911 was an inside job bumper sticker. Someone want to take the vegas odds on whether or not her kid is vaccinated?1
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Jan 17, 2015 17:43
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Hauldren Collider posted:Yes, I understand. However I am applying regardless and deferring the decision on whether to attend until I see where I get in. Also I am fortunate in that cost is not an issue for me. Right now the prospects are very good for patent prosecution attorneys. Though I am not sure if you would want to be one. Personally I would stick with a developer type position. mongeese fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jan 17, 2015 |
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Jan 17, 2015 17:52
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ActusRhesus posted:one of the new parents in my baby music class has a 911 was an inside job bumper sticker. Do you learn how to perform music for a baby audience, or do the babies learn to make music? Or is it more of a music appreciation course where you explain the difference between acid metal, speed metal and numetal to a baby?
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Jan 17, 2015 17:58
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If the one I took my kids to is similar, the babies learn the finer arts of percussion by banging each other's heads with maracas to music.
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Jan 17, 2015 18:19
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Vox Nihili posted:Before you ask us "how" to do this you should ask yourself "why." Your parents and grandparents were lawyers in the golden age of the profession. That age has long since ended, and the legal profession is contracting and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. You could be a programmer/developer/whatever in the golden age of THOSE professions, which seems set to continue for the foreseeable future. Maybe once you've established yourself you can explore some intersection with what remains of the legal field, but if you go NOW rather than spending a few years in the profession you've actually trained for, you will be throwing away hard-earned, marketable skills, and a convenient entry position for furthering those skills. Who knows what the economy will look like in three years; you may not be able to fall back on your CS degree if you can't get a legal job (or even more likely, can't stand the legal job you get). This is a good point and definitely something I'm thinking about. I'm not really planning on going to law school right away. My intention is to work in my job for at least a year, see how I like it, see what the markets look like, and then maybe go to law school. quote:If you want more education for the sake of education/time away from the real world, why not get an MS in computer science? Yes, I get it, you all think I shouldn't do law school. I appreciate your frankness on this. I'm not sure I should do it either. :P The point is I intend to apply anyway to keep a potential option open, and so I'd like some advice on things like getting recs and so on.
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Jan 17, 2015 18:35
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mongeese posted:Right now the prospects are very good for patent prosecution attorneys. Though I am not sure if you would want to be one. Personally I would stick with a developer type position. Decent for patent litigation too. Of course, prospects for both were good in 2007 and by 2011, well... If you actually enjoy coding, you probably won't enjoy legal work. Consider strongly why you want to be a lawyer - compsci is probably a more sustainable career long term anyway.
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Jan 17, 2015 18:39
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Don't spend time applying. You aren't keeping an option open that is worth having as an option. It's like applying to be a garbageman in case software engineering doesn't work out. Is that actually an alternative? There is a very real risk if you apply to law school that you may actually go to law school, which is the worst of all possible worlds.
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Jan 17, 2015 18:54
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Hauldren Collider posted:Yes, I get it, you all think I shouldn't do law school. I appreciate your frankness on this. I'm not sure I should do it either. :P The point is I intend to apply anyway to keep a potential option open, and so I'd like some advice on things like getting recs and so on. Just ask people, dude; there aren't any tricks to asking for a recommendation. The school isn't going to read it anyway, because it doesn't really matter unless the letter is from Obama or Scalia or something.
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Jan 17, 2015 18:57
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sullat posted:If the one I took my kids to is similar, the babies learn the finer arts of percussion by banging each other's heads with maracas to music. I thought you looked familiar. yeah, it's basically sing some songs, play with scarves, put maracas in mouth, beat other kids with cowbell power hour.
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Jan 17, 2015 19:08
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Probad posted:Why do people say this? Who are you people that have so much money that not only can you afford to dump it into law school (and then forgo three years of earnings and experience), but you can't think of anything better to do with it? Excessive self-confidence, being naive, and telling one's self "I won't be like all those who did it and hate it, I'll like it, I'll get a job after graduation, wait and see!" I just don't know what else to do. My college plan began with the intention of going to law school, and I can't fathom doing anything else.
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Jan 17, 2015 19:10
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Lote posted:Sam jumps into Hauldren Collider's body and reads his last post. Underrated
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Jan 17, 2015 19:18
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Toona the Cat posted:Excessive self-confidence, being naive, and telling one's self "I won't be like all those who did it and hate it, I'll like it, I'll get a job after graduation, wait and see!" So did mine. Since that point I've played cards for a living and now have a fairly technical role in an organization that deals cards for a living. Also, I'm no longer on the North American continent. This is a success story. Don't go to law school, do fathom something else.
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Jan 17, 2015 19:43
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Adar posted:So did mine. Since that point I've played cards for a living and now have a fairly technical role in an organization that deals cards for a living. Also, I'm no longer on the North American continent. This is a success story. Svalbard seed vault product manager
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Jan 17, 2015 20:06
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mastershakeman posted:Beyond the idiocy of going to law school, my 2nd worst decision was easily working part time during it. It's exhausting and absolutely no one cares about the "experience" or references you get while doing it, and your grades and social life will absolutely suffer. I worked 40+ hours a week during law school. 
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Jan 17, 2015 21:00
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blarzgh posted:Dude has to be loving with us: Hey some of us are old enough to have read the last entirety of the last several threads. Now get off my lawn 
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Jan 17, 2015 21:07
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Passed the patent bar on try #2 - pretty smoothly I think Crashed on me twice even It is still a totally bullshit and arbitrary exam
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Jan 17, 2015 22:09
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BigHead posted:Don't go. It's never a good idea to go unless you have a full ride scholarship to a T14. Either factor in lost income or factor in cost of living, but don't factor in both unless you assume for some reason that he'd be living with his parents if he didn't go to law school.
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Jan 17, 2015 22:39
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Deceptive Thinker posted:Passed the patent bar on try #2 - pretty smoothly I think Deceptive Thinker posted:It is still a totally bullshit and arbitrary exam
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Jan 18, 2015 00:52
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What's the deal with these Garbage Dick avatars?
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Jan 18, 2015 03:16
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Tokelau All Star posted:What's the deal with these Garbage Dick avatars? Babies were too cute, not enough people transitioning into paid-for avatars, probably.
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Jan 18, 2015 03:18
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sullat posted:Babies were too cute, not enough people transitioning into paid-for avatars, probably. That's pretty whack. My advice for everyone is to post enough times in the Simpsons Quote Thread that someone buys a sweet Principal Skinner avatar for you (preferably from your work computer during work hours).
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Jan 18, 2015 03:24
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Tokelau All Star posted:That's pretty whack. My advice for everyone is to post enough times in the Simpsons Quote Thread that someone buys a sweet Principal Skinner avatar for you (preferably from your work computer during work hours). Tokelau All Star was paid $8 for his 32 hours of posting. He was glad to receive it.
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Jan 18, 2015 17:36
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sullat posted:Babies were too cute, not enough people transitioning into paid-for avatars, probably. Except it punishes the rest of us.
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Jan 19, 2015 03:32
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According to our resident sovereign citizen, I am a member of the shadow government Illuminati Bilderberg conspiracy. Honestly, I'd hoped it would pay better.
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Jan 19, 2015 05:39
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Adar posted:To lurkers and prospective 1Ls who just nodded; you're loving idiots and that post was a trick, don't go to law school If you want to blow a hundred thousand dollars to be an rear end in a top hat go start a business I'm enjoying being a loser helping out non profits but I can only afford it since I have zero law school debt
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Speaking of lovely career decisions do we have any Canadian lawyers My fiancé is a vet in Canada and might be part owner to a practice soon. I can't really say "no honey come down to Florida with your lawyer husband who makes a bazillion dollars less than you" So I might be looking to take the Ontario bar if we decide on living up there gently caress me I don't want to take another exam
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