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Whenever I go wandering through Wikipedia for old military vehicles, they always strike me as drastically underpowered. The Ferret shows up as 3.7 tonnes, with a 130hp straight-6 gasoline engine. It was designed in 1949 so I guess lots of stuff from that era would be very underpowered compared to modern cars (a silly comparison, I know, but at the moment we're talking about somebody using a vehicle like that for a weekend drive-to-the-forest kind of ride. I'm giggling at the prospect of strapping my GF's 17.5 foot canoe onto the turret). The wiki for the Ferret says there's a common upgrade to the Austin Princess 4-litre-R (aside: we lived in England when I was 10-12 years old, and my father's commuter was an Austin Princess in a toasted-vomit shade of orange that presumably had some crappy 4-banger under the hood. Horrible car, completely unrelated to the Rolls Royce that engine was put in) that adds 55hp, so you're driving around most of 4 tonnes with less than 200hp. Do modern military vehicles have power-to-weight ratios closer to (heavily loaded) consumer pickup trucks? Do people who buy Iltisii or Ferrets or whatever ever try to upgrade to something with some serious power? There is a huge variety of high-power diesels that Ford/Chrysler/GM have been stuffing into pickup trucks and SUVs for long enough that crate motors or second-hand engines are cheap and widely available, is it totally unreasonable to think about putting, say, a Cummings Turbo Diesel into something like a Ferret?
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Military gear doesn't generally need to go fast (highway speeds are extremely dangerous in unknown terrain), so it's usually underpowered in comparison to a passenger vehicle and geared very short to compensate. Plus engines are generally derated in these applications to increase service life in the severe conditions they're designed to operate under.
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Jan 10, 2015 22:03
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Exactly. Unimogs for example with the gas motors were 2.2L and 80horsepwer. Worked fine, ran off any lovely watered down gasoline you could find. M35a2's and they're 5 ton bigger brothers can run on diesel, gasoline, alcohol or anything flammable. They installed turbos on the multifuel motors not to add horsepower, but to reduce the smoke. Anyways my 6x6 runs on a 3.8L turbo diesel and makes around 170hp and 400ft-lb. It is more than enough power. Sure I could fit a modern duramax or whatever in it, but improving acceleration isn't going to do much. The vehicle will still be slow, but now it will burn more fuel and be harder to work on.
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Jan 11, 2015 07:24
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the unimog also has a bajillion gears in forward and reverse. Edit: another train derailment outside Wainwright. 23 cars off. One split open. It was full of glue. Powershift fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Jan 11, 2015 |
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Jan 11, 2015 07:27
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^^ Wouldn't the car just repatch any hole immediately?  As far as fighting military vehicles go, yes, we like to have a bit of get-up-and-go. The LAV III won't set any land speed record, but it'll get up to 60km/h in a hurry, and it's not exactly a featherweight. Granted, you top out at ~110 (or more with a hill/tailwind).
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Jan 14, 2015 06:50
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Casually looking for my next source of 08 VW GTI with under 180k, manual, leather, good condition. Dash is lit up like an xmas tree but could be a bunch of nothing serious like the PO says, then again when do they ever think otherwise. Needs a OOP inspection for plates, so not really a long term project unless you got a place to stash it. Price is just north of 5k which seems to be about half the normal asking
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Jan 16, 2015 18:57
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quote:Dash is lit up like an xmas tree quote:Needs a OOP inspection That's going to end well.
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Jan 16, 2015 19:06
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The amount of car you can get in this province for 5k is incredibly depressing though. It's a project territory, so you might as well get something potentially nice in the end.
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Jan 16, 2015 19:58
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08 is brand-new as far as I'm concerned. Add a decade to the age, and get something GOOD for $5K.
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Jan 16, 2015 21:38
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iv46vi posted:The amount of car you can get in this province for 5k is incredibly depressing though. It's a project territory, so you might as well get something potentially nice in the end. The beautiful thing about the far south is there are so many old people not that part you regularly see 80s and 90s cars with next to nothing milege come up for sale as part of estate or can no longer drive sales. Granted, chances are extremely slim that you're going to get a minty BMW for $4K, but chances are really good that you'll find a drat nice completely loaded low mileage grandpa car for $3-5K if you keep your eyes open.
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Jan 17, 2015 02:40
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slidebite posted:The beautiful thing about the far south is there are so many old people not that part you regularly see 80s and 90s cars with next to nothing milege come up for sale as part of estate or can no longer drive sales. You can buy decent E36s all day long here for $5k or so. Granted they're nearly 20-year old cars now (and I recall that SSS loving HATES E36s), but they're still decent cars nonetheless. Or you can get lucky like Powershift and buy a beater 5 at an auction for like a grand and be all  about it.
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Jan 17, 2015 02:46
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You can buy decent E36s here for under two thousand dollars. I have a friend who buys those ghetto-bound hoopties all day long and RockAuto has stupid cheap prices on replacement parts. He probably spends less on daily driving those ugly taxis than I do on my refined rally cars. My hate can probably be overcome as soon as rallycross starts again and I can fart together a $1500 325i. edit: The stories from the ghetto sellers are tremendous, by the way. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Jan 17, 2015 |
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Jan 17, 2015 02:47
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I think there is something wrong with me, because the only 90s BMW I have any desire to own in the slightest is an E31. 
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Jan 17, 2015 02:53
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slidebite posted:I think there is something wrong with me, because the only 90s BMW I have any desire to own in the slightest is an E31. That's because the E31 is baller as all gently caress and if it weren't for the yearly five-figure breakdown, I'd have one in a heartbeat.
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Jan 17, 2015 03:03
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There's some Stockholm syndrome thing going on in here. Toronto used car market probably spoiled me with regards to pricing, 2k for basic reliable transport and 5k for something nice-ish.ExecuDork posted:08 is brand-new as far as I'm concerned. We might have different expectations of what GOOD is, but could you show some examples? I'm genuinely curious.
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Jan 17, 2015 05:38
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iv46vi posted:08 VW GTI with under 180k, manual, leather, good condition. Dash is lit up like an xmas tree but could be a bunch of nothing serious like the PO says, then again when do they ever think otherwise. Needs a OOP inspection for plates, so not really a long term project unless you got a place to stash it. Price is just north of 5k which seems to be about half the normal asking You did well. It's never "nothing serious" when a VW is lit up like that
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Jan 17, 2015 07:28
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My e36 - a 1996 328is - cost exactly $5K about three years ago. I loved that car, hence "GOOD". It's dead now, I miss her. Mid-to-late 90's, I like OBDII so 1996 or later, from any manufacturer that strikes your fancy. Luxo-barges, SUVs, itty-bitty subcompacts, "compact executive sedans", rice-rockets, anything can be found for $5K. We probably do have rather different ideas of what makes a good car a good car, but I bet you could find something that will put a smile on your face if you have a poke around that half-decade. Kijiji conveniently has a quick-search category "cars under $5000" http://www.kijiji.ca/b-cars-trucks/alberta/convertible__coupe__hatchback__other+body+type__sedan__wagon/c174l9003a138?price=__5000
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Jan 17, 2015 07:30
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ExecuDork posted:Kijiji conveniently has a quick-search category "cars under $5000" I've always loved those two categories. "Normal cars" and "Cars for poors"
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Jan 17, 2015 07:39
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One nice thing about all the layoffs happening, anytime now there is going to be a glut of toys being listed on kijiji from guys that make $200K a year but so badly in debt and financed out the rear end they still live paycheck to paycheck.
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Jan 17, 2015 17:59
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slidebite posted:One nice thing about all the layoffs happening, anytime now there is going to be a glut of toys being listed on kijiji from guys that make $200K a year but so badly in debt and financed out the rear end they still live paycheck to paycheck. I heard a story about a camp site with guys in tears because they can't afford the note on their Rams anymore. Couple years ago when the AB government was tooling up to fight payday lenders there was an article in the paper from some guy in the sands who was not only living paycheque to paycheque but was actually living payday loan to payday loan at 35% interest compounded weekly. He was at least one paycheque ahead at all times. They asked him why, and he was just like "oh I like to party." e: vvv I'm already seeing a depression in post-08 STI prices which is unusual for this time of the year. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Jan 17, 2015 |
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Jan 17, 2015 18:13
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slidebite posted:One nice thing about all the layoffs happening, anytime now there is going to be a glut of toys being listed on kijiji from guys that make $200K a year but so badly in debt and financed out the rear end they still live paycheck to paycheck. Was just thinking the same thing myself. Might have to scrape some money together and buy a cheap rally car, I'm sure those will be flooding the market by summer.
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My guess is that there will be a lot of heavily discounted, expensive-ish cars for sale, but the pickings in the sub-$5000 section will be pretty slim. Also so many Harleys and snowmobiles for sale it won't even be funny (actually it still will be). It might be time to start thinking of buying a biek again (but not a Harley, gently caress them). I imagine in a year's time all the salesmen at Blackfoot Motosports will be just a bunch of wild-eyed, gaunt husks of men who've subsisted solely on mud, grasshoppers and the fat guy in the service department. MrChips fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jan 17, 2015 |
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Jan 17, 2015 18:19
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MrChips posted:My guess is that there will be a lot of heavily discounted, expensive-ish cars for sale, but the pickings in the sub-$5000 section will be pretty slim. Also so many Harleys and snowmobiles for sale it won't even be funny (actually it still will be). It might be time to start thinking of buying a biek again (but not a Harley, gently caress them). If I remember correctly 2008 produced some hilarity from people who were used to just leasing trying to buy sub-$5k cars. "I bought this $3,000 six year old car from a used car lot and now there are some minor things wrong with it, I want my money back"
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Harleys, RVs and diesels should be plentiful. I've already anecdotally heard a story already about a couple east coasters who have just up and left everything and their rental in fort mac. Seems they packed their clothes and jumped on a bus. Back when I lived in GP the Honda dealer told me a story about some rig pig who came in and wanted to buy a couple of brand new matching ATVs for him and his girlfriend. Dealer said absolutely and proceeded to start the financing paperwork but it was quickly apparent there was no way in gently caress the guy could afford conventional financing. Completely financed out the rear end and had pretty much nothing for a down payment. Of course the customer took this as a massive insult, lost it and started to  , fat girlfriend starting beaking off and made a big scene and tore out of the parking lot.Next day he squeeled up with the big diesel and stormed into the showroom and told the salesguy he had IMPECCABLE credit and got a loan no problem with one of those loanshark outfits (like Avco or Transcanada) so he bought a couple of ATVs at Polaris and HE JUST LOST A SALE MISTER. Of course the Honda dealer could have done that too but the guy was so far in hock he didn't even want to go down the road of a predatory loan. That was in about 2007. Pretty sure the guy would have had everything in his possession was repoed within about 6 months after that. 1500quidporsche posted:If I remember correctly 2008 produced some hilarity from people who were used to just leasing trying to buy sub-$5k cars. "I bought this $3,000 six year old car from a used car lot and now there are some minor things wrong with it, I want my money back"
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slidebite posted:My niece, bless her stupid ignorant heart, bought a brand new VW a few years back and couldn't understand for the life of her why she simply couldn't return her car a couple months later for a full refund like a toaster from Wal-Mart. My favorite part of working at Pick-n-Pull were the guys that would buy some low mileage lexus or other 00s luxury car from us for a grand then would come marching back in 10 minutes later ranting that they require an immediate refund and how morally reprehensible it was that we try and sell them a car with broken power steering/spongy brakes and that they did not know how we could sleep at night. I think during my whole time there one person actually brought in their own mechanic for the AMVIC inspection, despite us telling everyone that they were in no way required to pick from our list of mechanics.
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As long as I don't take a legislated 35% pay cut I'll hopefully take advantage of the depressed market next year for a nice SUV and new car for the wife. 
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1500quidporsche posted:My favorite part of working at Pick-n-Pull were the guys that would buy some low mileage lexus or other 00s luxury car from us for a grand then would come marching back in 10 minutes later ranting that they require an immediate refund and how morally reprehensible it was that we try and sell them a car with broken power steering/spongy brakes and that they did not know how we could sleep at night. Were you the guy I talked to at Pick Your Part about a decade ago who had a modified JDM and was pouring junkyard-drained gasoline into it and topping it up with enough octane booster to kill a dog?
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Were you the guy I talked to at Pick Your Part about a decade ago who had a modified JDM and was pouring junkyard-drained gasoline into it and topping it up with enough octane booster to kill a dog? Nope, I heard plenty of stories of the junkyard drained gas when I worked there though. Why would you put that in your car is beyond all my comprehension.
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Probably because your car/truck belongs in a junkyard anyway. At least that's the only case I'd do it.
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Bajaha posted:Probably because your car/truck belongs in a junkyard anyway. At least that's the only case I'd do it. Partially that but apparently almost all the employees used it back when it was free to them. There were guys working there like the guy who told me he wanted to do a RWD conversion on his cavalier, that you could completely see them filling up with that crap. But there were also a lot of the good level headed guys that would reminisce about the days when they got free gas out of a rusted up oil drum. There were two big  moments working there. One where a guy and his family drove their dodge caravan on 4 flat tires straight up to the gate to have it scrapped. The other was an employee telling me that he used to just use the grease gun in the shop to fill up his torn CV boot after work every day because he was too lazy to have it fixed.
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So is the market going to get flooded with repo'd Raptors soon? Because I'd be OK with that.
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I ran my Buick on that skag free PnP gas for the entire duration of my employment there. Olds 307 gave zero fucks, but I always made sure to fill up after they drained the water off. 
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DrakeriderCa posted:As long as I don't take a legislated 35% pay cut I'll hopefully take advantage of the depressed market next year for a nice SUV and new car for the wife. Get your priorities straight sonny get a bike
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McTinkerson posted:So is the market going to get flooded with repo'd Raptors soon? Because I'd be OK with that. Every car dealership in Alberta is going to have a clapped out repo raptor on the front corner of their lot for $59,999.
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slidebite posted:Get your priorities straight sonny Slidebite is right. The Foz is fine. Turbo the accent (and rally-x it). Get a Duke 390 (or that SXV-550 the guy from echo wanted to sell me for way under market value).
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McTinkerson posted:Slidebite is right. The Foz is fine. Turbo the accent (and rally-x it). Get a Duke 390 (or that SXV-550 the guy from echo wanted to sell me for way under market value). Nonononono we don't talk about that bike I do seriously want that Scout though. And not just because the resident bike expert from Indian sold me on it. 
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When GM was teetering on the brink Ingersoll Ontario (home of GM CAMI) was a pretty depressing place. Harley's and Jet ski's at the end of each driveway for sale. Kijiji was full of big screen TVs and hastily thrown together rental rooms. 
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I read an interview about 2008ish with a dude that did repo's in AB. He was pretty up front about being very happy with the cyclical nature of oil prices.
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DrakeriderCa posted:I read an interview about 2008ish with a dude that did repo's in AB. He was pretty up front about being very happy with the cyclical nature of oil prices. As somebody who pays all his bills on time and makes next to nothing working for a financial institution compared to the Oil and Gas guys, I'd probably find a certain amount of satisfaction in that job as well.
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If I was in the market for a sofa on wheels, I'd be on this. Certainly a grandparent that kicked the bucket with 74K for 30 years old. My Grandparents had one virtually identical to this but with a Buick 350 and it was super comfortable to float around in. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/lethbridge/buick-lesaber-loaded-for-sale-in-lethbridge-area/1020866873?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
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