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BBJoey posted:polandball is literally never funny hth I saw one good polandball once, hell if I'll ever go look for it again though.
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quote:This hurts... a lot.  I agree man, I agreeJesus, people are pissed replying to that Dev Diary. Top Hats Monthly fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jan 18, 2015 |
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I hope he's having a nice time over in opposite land. Seriously, how are sliders better than actual, clear-cut laws? Imagine Victoria 2 with a slider system. I actually do agree with his points about flavor law names and companies, though I imagine buying licensed units is going to be a lot more important in HoI 4 than it was before.
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*moves slider one step toward authoritarianism, one step away from free market* aww yiss, makin big changes here, very distinct and flavorful
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Kavak posted:I hope he's having a nice time over in opposite land. Seriously, how are sliders better than actual, clear-cut laws? Imagine Victoria 2 with a slider system. Also arent laws, as shown so far, basically expanded sliders? They exist on a continuum with discrete points which give bonus/penalties depending on how far from the extremes it is. The only difference I can see would be that laws might have a non linear cost to movement, and that laws dont have an equal number of possible points.
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^^ Not harping on you by the way, I like the flavor possibilities of this new systemCommunist Zombie posted:The only difference I can see would be that laws might have a non linear cost to movement, and that laws dont have an equal number of possible points. You heard the masses paradox, you need an equal number of terrible fascist policies that make normal people uncomfortable for this to be an acceptable change from sliders. Any less will be giving in to casuals and ruining any chance at Germany being a playable country. Bel Monte fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jan 18, 2015 |
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Bel Monte posted:You heard the masses paradox, you need an equal number of terrible fascist policies that make normal people uncomfortable for this to be an acceptable change from sliders. Any less will be giving in to casuals and ruining any chance at Germany being a playable country. Put them in just so I can deliberately avoid them and feel like a good person. 
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There will be an achievement in HoI4 for making all of Hitler's historical mistakes (which is to say, every decision he ever made) and still somehow winning the campaign. It will be called "Paradox Plaza's Choice"
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quote:It feels boardgamey That's a good thing! Europa Universalis was even based off a boardgame! AAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAAA 
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gradenko_2000 posted:That's a good thing! Europa Universalis was even based off a boardgame! AAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAAA but not in a good way!
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Kavak posted:Put them in just so I can deliberately avoid them and feel like a good person. You think becoming slightly more free market instead is the paragon path?  No, it's a trap. For a market so free, it will only lead to Bitcoins, and fedoras. There is no paragon, every decision leads to terrible things in the future. Bel Monte fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Jan 18, 2015 |
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Jan 18, 2015 06:48
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Bel Monte posted:You think becoming slightly more free market instead is the paragon path? Even Free Society and Democratic?
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Kavak posted:Even Free Society and Democratic? Diluting the Will of the People, the Will embodied in the Leader, by putting it to the indignity of a vote is indeed terrible, meine Volksgenossen.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:
In HoI2 all but what, two sliders have one objective best position, how can anyone possibly think that's better than laws? paradox plaza
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Top Hats Monthly posted:Jesus, people are pissed replying to that Dev Diary. What was the last Paradox game that didn't trigger fucktons of grog rage, Crusader Kings II?
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Kavak posted:What was the last Paradox game that didn't trigger fucktons of grog rage, Crusader Kings II? loving Paradox catering to casuals by removing the loud, surprising horn sound from CK1 
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Kavak posted:What was the last Paradox game that didn't trigger fucktons of grog rage, Crusader Kings II? How soon we forget the glory of Sunset Invasion.
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Unreal_One posted:How soon we forget the glory of Sunset Invasion. Oh, right. I was thinking more of in the lead up to release.
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Pakled posted:loving Paradox catering to casuals by removing the loud, surprising horn sound from CK1 Serious question, who the gently caress thought that horn was a good idea and were they sacrificed to the dark gods of the northern night? Because they loving should have been.
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catlord posted:Serious question, who the gently caress thought that horn was a good idea and were they sacrificed to the dark gods of the northern night? Because they loving should have been. Given the circumstances of CK1's development and the quality control of pretty much all pre-3D Paradox games, I'm willing to bet that it was a mistake that never got corrected because Paradox had bad QA. They were probably fixing so many fundamental stability issues and game-breaking stuff that fixing minor things like that never really crossed their mind. Pakled fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Jan 18, 2015 |
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Bel Monte posted:No, it's a trap. For a market so free, it will only lead to Bitcoins, and fedoras. I give it a month tops before "Cryptocurrency" appears in some mod tech tree. Edit: Hitler using bitcoins in 1946.
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Kavak posted:What was the last Paradox game that didn't trigger fucktons of grog rage, Crusader Kings II? Just wait until Victoria 3 is announced. I have a feeling that is going to really, really rile up the grogs after it becomes clear that Paradox will actually design the game with an economic system that makes some degree of sense, while being fun to play as well as somewhat transparent and immersive.
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Drone posted:Just wait until Victoria 3 is announced. I have a feeling that is going to really, really rile up the grogs after it becomes clear that Paradox will actually design the game with an economic system that makes some degree of sense, while being fun to play as well as somewhat transparent and immersive. 
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ExtraNoise posted:Edit: Hitler using bitcoins in 1946. Hitler was the world's first atheist, and the world's first libertarian. Think about it; why is it called the Austrian School?
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gradenko_2000 posted:That's a good thing! Europa Universalis was even based off a boardgame! AAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAAA The earlier games had a lot of terrible mechanics that made sense in a board game, but were frustrating in a video game. Don't you remember in the early days of EU3, when sending a missionary or colonist was just a flat success/failure roll? Lots of micromanagement and very little fun. The eventual mechanism of just assigning colonies or missionaries, and having a ticking counter (while costing money) is much, much nicer. The POP mechanism in Victoria 1 also smells vaguely board game-ish, as I cannot think of any other reason why they would divide POP productivity into coarse nonlinear brackets based on size, thus leading to POP splitting.
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Athas posted:The earlier games had a lot of terrible mechanics that made sense in a board game, but were frustrating in a video game. Don't you remember in the early days of EU3, when sending a missionary or colonist was just a flat success/failure roll? Lots of micromanagement and very little fun. The eventual mechanism of just assigning colonies or missionaries, and having a ticking counter (while costing money) is much, much nicer. I'm gussing yiou don't play Board games then if you think a flat success fail roll is any less frustrating just because you personally rolled the dice.
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Unreal_One posted:How soon we forget the glory of Sunset Invasion. A Mars Attacks DLC, every related event that fires has an option to accept the Martians invitation to a peace summit where they murder your envoys.
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Demiurge4 posted:A Mars Attacks DLC, every related event that fires has an option to accept the Martians invitation to a peace summit where they murder your envoys. NLO sighted: Send in the cows (-2 to stability) It's a good thing we live in an enlightened times (-2 to stability) Send in the envoys (-1 to stability, fires "envoys sent" event) Envoys sent: They murdered our envoys! (-1 to stability)
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Rumda posted:I'm gussing yiou don't play Board games then if you think a flat success fail roll is any less frustrating just because you personally rolled the dice. I think what he means is that a flat success/fail dice roll is something relatively easily worked into board game rules and balanced around, whereas a ticking counter that costs money over time would be trickier to keep constant track of during an actual pen and paper game.
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Is there a setting to make HOI2 not so... choppy? After coming from HOI3 and trying to try something "good," the UI is just so choppy and unresponsive it's uncomfortable to play. It's bad enough I can't use the space bar! Maybe I'll just play DH instead.
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COOL CORN posted:Is there a setting to make HOI2 not so... choppy? After coming from HOI3 and trying to try something "good," the UI is just so choppy and unresponsive it's uncomfortable to play. It's bad enough I can't use the space bar! wait 5 months for HoI4
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Kavak posted:What was the last Paradox game that didn't trigger fucktons of grog rage, Crusader Kings II? every game ever does that. Ck2 has so much grog/sperg rage ;D
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Wasn't CK2 the first full 3D map? I remember a lot of anger that their graphics card from 1996 wouldn't work anymore.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Wasn't CK2 the first full 3D map? I remember a lot of anger that their graphics card from 1996 wouldn't work anymore. EU3 was the first full 3D map. I think CK2 did have higher graphics requirements than EU3, though it probably wasn't as big of a jump as Vicky 1 -> EU3 was
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Probably a required shader jump up, I know I had a terrible acer laptop or something that couldn't run it.
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Kavak posted:What was the last Paradox game that didn't trigger fucktons of grog rage, Crusader Kings II? Major points of rage I remember: - 3D portraits - People wanted the old 2D ones with the coin style profile. Despite them being very limited in diversity and appearance. Also, big giant noses. - IT'S CALLED CRUSADER KINGS - Lobbed against every expansion idea (not from the devs at the time) that doesn't focus on Feudal Christian Europeans. Inevitably the idea gets made and they get mad no attention is being given to fuedal christian europeans. - India - See above. - Sunset Invasion - The level of betrayal I felt... - Formable kingdom and empire titles that did not exist in the time period - Mostly about how they should be titular, the only empires that should exist are the HRE and ERE. There was a lot of anger directed at the Wendish Empire in particular. - DLC - Paradox, you're ruining my wallet and the gaming industry itself by nickle and diming us all the time! Why do you charge $2 for music or pretty horsies?! You're what's wrong with gaming! Go back to waiting years for expansions please. - Online (only?) Distribution - Ra! Ra! Steam is evil! I only own physical CDs, you will all be sorry when the great internet crash of 2019 comes! Edit: - Forgot about the Jews. Bel Monte fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jan 18, 2015 |
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Bel Monte posted:- India - See above.
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Strudel Man posted:India is legitimately a waste of CPU cycles, though, so. It's definitely the odd one out, though I think it could have been handled a little better. Give the Abbasids and such a punching bag that keeps them too busy from just spilling across the landscape like they were a patch or two ago. I would just like paradox to flesh out everyone everywhere in one big mega event and mechanic expansion that helps Indians, Romuvans, Zuns, West Africans, everyone. Then everyone gets to be fun to play.
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Funky Valentine posted:There will be an achievement in HoI4 for making all of Hitler's historical mistakes (which is to say, every decision he ever made) and still somehow winning the campaign. Bel Monte posted:
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