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Nevvy Z posted:I wouldn't call myself remotly an expert, but pending a cost effective way to directly remove existing greenhouse gas from the atmosphere, B by far for individual nations, because as we've seen there's always gonna be a bunch of assholes adding more anyway. The prisoner dilemma.
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Nevvy Z posted:I wouldn't call myself remotly an expert, but pending a cost effective way to directly remove existing greenhouse gas from the atmosphere, B by far for individual nations, because as we've seen there's always gonna be a bunch of assholes adding more anyway. That overly simplifies it I think. The countries that are adding more greenhouse gases are the ones most interested with moving off of them while the traditional producers (the West) are the ones most resistant to change.
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Never thought I'd see anything decent from BuzzFeed of all places: http://www.buzzfeed.com/kellyoakes/how-do-scientists-actually-feel-about-climate-change#.kmxVQB8qG (Warning: contains horrible BuzzFeed webpage layout, as well as disheartening quotes from climate scientists about their feelings on the issue.)
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Another good bit of digestible info on the the climate and planetary strains: http://sploid.gizmodo.com/graphic-c...dium=socialflow
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pwnyXpress posted:Never thought I'd see anything decent from BuzzFeed of all places: It ends with an optimistic quote, guess everything is gonna be ok after all.
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Here are a couple climate change-related articles to brighten up your day! http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-climate-warmest-year-20150116-story.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/science/earth/study-raises-alarm-for-health-of-ocean-life.html
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Ccs posted:Another good bit of digestible info on the the climate and planetary strains:
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Radbot posted:Here are a couple climate change-related articles to brighten up your day! Kevin Costner prepared me for this. My body is ready for Waterworld. (Bad jokes are all I can do from screaming internally, forever.)
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Don't worry, global warming is going to be disproved next year when the average global temperature goes down, thereby negating the global warming hypothesis!
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Shbobdb posted:Don't worry, global warming is going to be disproved next year when the average global temperature goes down, thereby negating the global warming hypothesis! How do scientists explain us not all burning in hellfire yet? I'm just asking questions.
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It's been a few months since I finished teaching my students about the dangers of climate change in my Grade 10 science class, I was just wondering when my payoff cheque from the World Wide Climate Change Conspiracy Fund should arrive. I have a few bills to pay and I just wondered how long the normal wait is. Ha ha ha what do you mean it's the pro-fossil fuel folks with all the money, that's crazy talk. Nobody's ever made any money in resource extraction!
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Tochiazuma posted:It's been a few months since I finished teaching my students about the dangers of climate change in my Grade 10 science class, I was just wondering when my payoff cheque from the World Wide Climate Change Conspiracy Fund should arrive. I have a few bills to pay and I just wondered how long the normal wait is. They will be disguised as junk mail.
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I make a very pointed effort at talking about the other side of that "IT SNOWED TODAY GLOBAL WARMING IS A FARCE" coin when the opportunity avails itself, like the past few days here in Omaha where it's been 50-60 degrees during the day. January is the part of the year where the temperature stays below freezing for weeks at a time, not where the temp during the day us warm enough to keep the house relatively comfortable without running the heat/AC.
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Seriously, we opened up the house yesterday because it was 60 loving degrees outside. Excellent day for shooting clays, too... ...in the middle of January - they've been relatively mild here for years now.
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I live in Pennsylvania and when I was a kid every year was a freaking snowpocalypse. Halloween costumes had to be things that you could wear layers with or be warm by nature if you were trick or treating at night. poo poo got cold. It would generally start snowing before Thanksgiving and stay snowy all the way through February. There was no such thing as a green Christmas. There was always snow on the ground. We'd routinely see temperatures in the negatives. You went out and rode sleds down every hill you could find all winter, every winter. Lately there have been a few winters where I haven't even needed to break out a winter coat. It's like 40 out right now and all the snow is melting. I've worn loving shorts in January in recent years. My collection of extra layers, thermal underwear, and winter gear rarely gets much use. I've been finding summers increasingly intolerable and am really considering moving further north because really, gently caress heat. I really fail to see how people in these parts can look at that and go "yup, global warming is a lie."
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I grew up in Michigan and yeah, same deal. Ice-skating on the homemade pond at Thanksgiving and Christmas, Halloween costumes that could fit over snowsuits, the whole nine yards. I remember building snow forts routinely and getting one or two feet in a storm was no big deal. Now you're lucky if you get a white Christmas, even luckier if snow stays on the ground for more than a few days before the next warm spell melts it all. Snow used to stick around from November to March. Hell we'd sometimes go to Mass on Easter and there would still be piles of unmelted snow around driveways and the like where it'd been piling up from all the plowing and shoveling all year. Where I live now there used to be a snowmobile dealership where now lies a Harley-Davidson one. The snowmobile one went out of business in the 80s. Not enough snow.
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http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/breakingnews/story/2015/jan/18/pipeline-breach-spills-oil-yellowstone-river/283374/ Keystone is going to help protect the environment by preventing spills! http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/breakingnews/story/2015/jan/18/pipeline-breach-spills-oil-yellowstone-river/283374/ quote:BILLINGS, Mont. -- Montana officials said Sunday that an oil pipeline breach spilled up to 50,000 gallons of oil into the Yellowstone River near Glendive, Montana, but they said they are unaware of any threats to public safety or health.
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CommieGIR posted:http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/breakingnews/story/2015/jan/18/pipeline-breach-spills-oil-yellowstone-river/283374/ Is that the same pipeline that had a larger spill in the Yellowstone river a couple years ago?
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FAUXTON posted:Is that the same pipeline that had a larger spill in the Yellowstone river a couple years ago? Yup.
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CommieGIR posted:Yup. Oh. Well something something trains
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FAUXTON posted:Oh. Well something something trains Don't go into the Keystone thread.
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Trabisnikof posted:I guess if giving poor people access to clean water, fresh foods, healthcare and vastly improved economic growth conditions is "bad" in your books then we shouldn't burn all the fossil fuels we can. Because you can't give those things to the poor people of the world without fossil fuels. Denying the poor people of the world access to cheap energy just because we've smugly decided it's no longer "cool" to have economic development and cheap energy, well....that's your idea not mind. This line of argument is essentially based on a spurious correlation between economic growth, energy consumption and fossil fuel use on the one hand, and life expectancy, educational achievement and access to basic needs and services on the other. From what we understand, certain levels of energy consumption (as well as inevitable fossil fuel emissions, particularly in hard to treat sectors like agriculture) are necessary for the latter development outcomes, but beyond a certain threshold of infrastructural development, human well-being within societies becomes a more complex issue of distribution, justice and prevailing expectations of 'the good life' shaped within a socio-cultural space. Thinking about development patterns more broadly, global inequalities of material consumption do not represent distinct stages of development in historical time. Feeding low-cost energy to the world's poor is not going to alleviate social inequalities perpetuated by unequal exchange relations, repressive political regimes, military conflict and the systematic undermining of labour and environmental rights by the free movement of international capital.
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Myotis posted:This line of argument is essentially based on a spurious correlation between economic growth, energy consumption and fossil fuel use on the one hand, and life expectancy, educational achievement and access to basic needs and services on the other. Oh please, I have charts to back up that Fossil Fuels are good. Check it, Fossil Fuels decrease climate related deaths: 
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Trabisnikof posted:Oh please, I have charts to back up that Fossil Fuels are good. Check it, Fossil Fuels decrease climate related deaths: 
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I get the "point" of it but goddamn that pirate graph is loving awful.
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pangstrom posted:I get the "point" of it but goddamn that pirate graph is loving awful. That's part of the point.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:That's part of the point. How can you argue against Fossil Fuels after you see a chart like this! The Axes start at 0 even! 
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Trabisnikof posted:How can you argue against Fossil Fuels after you see a chart like this! The Axes start at 0 even! you make joke ironically?
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Friendly Tumour posted:you make joke ironically? These are charts included in the wildly praised The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels as part of making said moral case. At least the author was clear it wasn't going to be a logical case. Edit: Seems like this thread is underinformed! Lets learn about sciencing! Don't worry, the carbon impact of Fossil Fuels is reducing:  Also, stupid climate scientists can't predict anything!  Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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Trabisnikof posted:These are charts included in the wildly praised The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels as part of making said moral case. At least the author was clear it wasn't going to be a logical case. praised by wild lunatics no doubt
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Friendly Tumour posted:praised by wild lunatics no doubt “With more politicians in climate science than scientists, the refining fire of debate has devolved into the burning of heretics. Alex Epstein’s The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels may make your blood boil, but his cool reason and cold, hard facts will lead us beyond hysterics to a much better future.” —PETER THIEL, technology entrepreneur and investor “If you want to see the power of fine logic, fine writing, and fine research, read Epstein’s book. In my long career, it is simply the best popular-market book about climate, environmental policy, and energy that I have read. Laymen and experts alike will be boggled by Epstein’s clarity.” —PATRICK J. MICHAELS, director, Center for the Study of Science, Cato Institute “Alex Epstein has written an eloquent and powerful argument for using fossil fuels on moral grounds alone. A remarkable book.” —MATT RIDLEY, author of The Rational Optimist “In this brave book, Alex Epstein provides a clear, full-throated response to the catastrophists who want us to replace nearly all of our existing energy systems with expensive, incurably intermittent sources like wind and solar. We need more people like Alex who are willing to make the case for hydrocarbons. As Alex shows, those fuels are allowing billions of people to live fuller, freer, healthier lives.” —ROBERT BRYCE, author of Smaller Faster Lighter Denser Cheaper You are either pro-fossil fuels or pro-poverty! 
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Bonus Myth Busting!quote:Myth: Fossil fuels are dirty. quote:Myth: Fossil fuels are unsustainable, so we should strive to use “renewable” solar and wind. quote:Myth: Fossil fuels are hurting the developing world.
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Trabisnikof posted:Bonus Myth Busting! Petroleum: It cleans the Earth 
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This duck had never been scrubbed with a toothbrush before today, but thanks to oil a graduate student is now carefully cleaning each and every feather. Have ducks ever had it so good?
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Salt Fish posted:This duck had never been scrubbed with a toothbrush before today, but thanks to oil a graduate student is now carefully cleaning each and every feather. Have ducks ever had it so good? I hope that duck's NATURAL oils come back because otherwise it's crocodile meat.
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Kafka Esq. posted:I hope that duck's NATURAL oils come back because otherwise it's crocodile meat. Thanks to the oil spill we've caught enough ducks to feed thousands of poors!
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Science has made the new Planetary Boundaries paper free access with registration: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2015/01/14/science.1259855 .
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