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Lt. Danger posted:Doesn't this make the Lib Dems the Scarecrow? And Nigel Farage is Dorothy, who just wants to find his way home. Also, awesome quote, BM. e: 43 AD: the Roman provincial capital of Londinum is established. Residents of Islington were understood to have been very upset when they built a road up to the North, complaining about their property prices and gardens and what not. :itisaHS2joke:
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"I come from online communities," nice. Did you tell them you mod D&D on the somethingawful dot com forums? Wold they have understood if you did? I'm just teasing, big congrats! Zephro fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jan 18, 2015 |
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Lt. Danger posted:Doesn't this make the Lib Dems the Scarecrow? TinTower posted:And Nigel Farage is Dorothy, who just wants to find his way home. Quick an' dirty:
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well i don't like that at all.
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Natalie Bennett was on the Marr show talking about how she wants to abolish trident, have a referendum on EU membership, and establish a universal basic income: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b050j0fs/the-andrew-marr-show-18012015 Warning: program also contains several minutes of Clegging. The interview with Bennett starts at around 20:00, the Clegging starts at 32:20 or so. There's also a debate about the TV debates where everyone gangs up on Clegg at around 52:00. LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jan 18, 2015 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:Natalie Bennett was on the Marr show talking about how she wants to abolish trident, have a referendum on EU membership, and establish a universal basic income that is not actually universal (rich people need not apply; "rich" left undefined): http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b050j0fs/the-andrew-marr-show-18012015 I forgot which politics thread I was in, read Natalie as Naftali, and got very confused.
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TinTower posted:And Nigel Farage is Dorothy, who just wants to find his way home. Our Nige is a girl who comes to a place she doesn't belong, upsets the status quo, MURDERS the indiginous population, then goes seeking benefits from the state (wizard)? EDIT: At least he's going back where he came from. winegums fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jan 18, 2015 |
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Hallucinogenic Toreador posted:I saw him interviewed on news 24 and although he apologised for the Birmingham comments he insisted he was right about London. Watch out for the Sharia police I guess. There were those nutters around Whitechapel a couple of years ago - basically 6-8 men wandering around occasionally telling women they were slags for wearing short shirts and posting it on Youtube. That got a lot of traction in the US press as proof of how Shariah was here and how they should nuke Mecca with a bomb made out of bacon or whatever masturbatory fantasy it is they have. Side note: While the men responsible were arrested and ASBO'd (and, to the best of my knowledge, there hasn't been a repeat) there was a conspiracy theory that tells you far more about the ultra-paranoid state of TH local politics than about the possible motiviations of the men. The theory going around the community (none of whom knew, or at least claimed not to know, the men involved) that they were agents provacateur from Brick Lane Mosque and/or the local Labour Party trying to stoke up trouble for East London Mosque (a number of the incidents happened just next to ELM) and the independent/Respect crew. As far as anyone knows these guys were just arseholes regardless of religious/political leanings, but of course in the atmosphere locally, nationally, and internationally it got blown up into so much more. (I'm having brain fade here, there was a word before "atmosphere" in that last sentence that I really can't remember - the word "fetid" kept coming to mind but that's wrong, anyone know what I was thinking of?)
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I managed to miss this completely but America made it into a Big loving Deal? laff. e: am I sleepwalking into the arms of an Islamofascist Theocracy??
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goddamnedtwisto posted:(I'm having brain fade here, there was a word before "atmosphere" in that last sentence that I really can't remember - the word "fetid" kept coming to mind but that's wrong, anyone know what I was thinking of?) febrile?
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Working in Tower Hamlets in the last year, I've seen more muslim-on-muslim shouting matches than muslim-on-nonbeliever. 'Why aren't you wearing a burqa?' 'Why are you talking to boys/girls?' 'Why do you shave your face?' (Probably others, too, I don't speak Arabic or Bengali).
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# ? Jan 19, 2015 00:25 |
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If you can persuade gamer personalities to stop obsessing over wow and do something productive then you can harness a lot of wasted potential. Maybe gamify citizen journalism with an app or something (only half joking). Isn't China rumoured to have an army of teenage hackers?
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CancerCakes posted:If you can persuade gamer personalities to stop obsessing over wow and do something productive then you can harness a lot of wasted potential. Maybe gamify citizen journalism with an app or something (only half joking). That is an excellent idea with zero possible downsides.
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winegums posted:Our Nige is a girl who comes to a place she doesn't belong, upsets the status quo, MURDERS the indiginous population, then goes seeking benefits from the state (wizard)?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:There were those nutters around Whitechapel a couple of years ago - basically 6-8 men wandering around occasionally telling women they were slags for wearing short shirts and posting it on Youtube. That got a lot of traction in the US press as proof of how Shariah was here and how they should nuke Mecca with a bomb made out of bacon or whatever masturbatory fantasy it is they have. They also attacked some drinking dudes and got put in prison for it. It would have been fair game for Emerson to bring it up with a bit of context.
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EmptyVessel posted:febrile? That's the fella. Ireland Sucks posted:They also attacked some drinking dudes and got put in prison for it. It would have been fair game for Emerson to bring it up with a bit of context. I think (a little worryingly) this is some different guys to the ones I was talking about, although as can be seen above my memory is going straight to senile-town in my dotage.
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Ireland Sucks posted:They also attacked some drinking dudes and got put in prison for it. It would have been fair game for Emerson to bring it up with a bit of context. He wouldn't have brought it up because 'three idiots went around causing trouble and got done for it' doesn't quite evoke the image of shadowy hordes conquering entire European cities
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Labour and the Lib-dems have started on their pledges to attempt to sway voters. Both are on the subject of mental health, with Milliband focussing on child mental health, and Clegg on suicides.Lab posted:Labour says it will "end the scandal of neglect" of child mental health issues if it wins May's general election. This coming just after news that the overall spending on child mental health has been cut over the last four years. Lib posted:Deputy PM Nick Clegg says many suicides are preventable and wants hospitals to aim to end all such deaths. Con posted:Cameron has said that companies that benefitied from the fall in oil prices should raise their pay to the living wage. "BBC posted:"Obviously I want to see companies' success passed through in terms of wage increases. Miliband responded: quote:"They have denied the cost of living crisis. They have been woefully out of touch with the daily struggles of families. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Jan 19, 2015 |
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"More focus on early intervention" in mental health is exactly what the tories did when they wanted to cut costs in the mental health service without saying that. I know because I was a long term 'service user' at the time, and my nurse explained to me why I, and a bunch of other long-term patients, wouldn't be getting much help any more. They just shift staff over to early intervention away from long term support, so overall support for those who are worst off is reduced, but stats can be padded with increased efficiency in dealing with larger numbers of comparatively minor cases.
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Oberleutnant posted:They just shift staff over to early intervention away from long term support, so overall support for those who are worst off is reduced, but stats can be padded with increased efficiency in dealing with larger numbers of comparatively minor cases.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Isn't the general point of early intervention to catch minor cases and treat them before they have the chance to develop into something more serious? I guess it would be nice if they could do both though. I had a pretty good experience with the childrens mental health team, even with living in the back of beyond. I was worried about my 12 year old so we made an appointment with a doctor, got a referral to the mental health team and he started having a six week block of weekly meetings with a psychiatrist all in less than a month. It seems to have made a difference too, he's a lot less anxious and tightly coiled.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Isn't the general point of early intervention to catch minor cases and treat them before they have the chance to develop into something more serious? Doesn't do much for people who are already hosed.
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Oberleutnant posted:Doesn't do much for people who are already hosed. Well, if the Tories know anything about anything it's kids who are already hosed.
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Without going into long-winded details, I knew a guy who will probably be in the mental health service for his entire life. He never said what was wrong, and I never asked, we just both used to meet the same woman from Mind at the same time (the aim being to socialise us). That Mind office had its contract bought out or cancelled or whatever by the tories back in late 2010, and the local office shut down. That was his long-term rehabilitative care gone; out the window. After that all he could get was the drugs he was prescribed from the community mental health team and maybe, if he was lucky, get a fortnightly 30min appointment with a nurse to ask him how he was feeling. The Mind unit would go to his place every week and get him to do really simple but productive poo poo like go outdoors and interact with people. I can't overemphasise how important those little things are, but the NHS local mental health teams simply don't have the resources or time for it, even before they were put on early intervention focus. All mental health problems aren't the kinds of problems you can solve by catching them early. Some people are born with, or later develop, some really crippling issues that they might never recover from, and the care that those people receive is unquestioningly compromised by shifting resources towards early intervention. I was really loving lucky to have just started work as all the long term care was withdrawn, and was at the point I could stand on my own two feet (just barely). I lost touch with the guy I knew, but the last I heard is that the lady who was working with us both, despite having been transferred from Hampshire to Sussex (after the close of the local office) was cooking the books in order to be able to travel back to Hampshire and maintain contact with him. That shouldn't be how this poo poo works.
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In addition to becoming the richest major economy in the world, we're also going to be the "jobs factory of Europe" and will achieve "full employment" by reducing the benefit cap and restricting migrants' access to welfare. So sayeth Dave, so shall it be done, inshallah. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11353784/David-Cameron-says-Britain-is-the-jobs-factory-of-Europe.html quote:Britain will have the highest employment rate of any major world economy, David Cameron will promise, as he says Britain will be the ‘jobs factory of Europe’ by limiting immigrants’ access to welfare. CUT WELFARE + poo poo ON MIGRANTS = JOBS + MONEY how is it that it took us so long to discover this magical formula?
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I don't understand
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Meanwhile: The wealthiest 1% will soon own more than the rest of the world's population, according to a study by anti-poverty charity Oxfam. quote:The charity's research shows that the share of the world's wealth owned by the richest 1% increased from 44% in 2009 to 48% last year.
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Serious question. Can anyone remember any promises the Tories have ever kept once they are in power? Its got to be going back to pre Thatcher era, as I assume this outright lying on election promises and saying the world will be candy and roses and we will all poo poo money is down to her, as I remember it being similar back in her time. This is not to say Labour don't do the same, its just the Tories take it up to a notch and it is laughable and completely unbelievable if you have any brain cells.
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You can trust their promises on prosecuting the poorest and most vulnerable in UK society because they love ramming those through. It won't have any of the benefits that they claim it would but they'll do it.
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How will restricting migrant benefits create jobs how
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ukle posted:Serious question. quote:Lord, make me an instrument of your peace, Hard to say Mrs. Thatcher didn't pull through. Mrs Thatcher was more or less exactly what people should have expected when they voted for her. She was obviously loony tunes.
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Phoon posted:How will restricting migrant benefits create jobs how Because they won't come here to steal our jobs (I'm assuming the welfare he's talking about is in work benefits like tax credits).
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hookerbot 5000 posted:Because they won't come here to steal our jobs (I'm assuming the welfare he's talking about is in work benefits like tax credits). No, any welfare. They come here to steal jobs because they know there's a safety net if they don't get one. Take away the net and these lazy freeloading parasites will find somewhere else to work like a dray for below minimum wage. This will create vacancies for British people to work like a dray for below minimum wage, thus reducing unemployment.
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Phoon posted:How will restricting migrant benefits create jobs how *~free market magic~*
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It's astonishing that they're directly linking the two things because it makes no loving sense
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I hate to keep banging on about it but it does seem Malthusian at its core: the surplus population will infinitely consume any welfare system until it is exhausted and cause them all to starve so its better to simply give them nothing and divert those resources into industry which will allow some of them to have gainful sustained employment.
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namesake posted:I hate to keep banging on about it but it does seem Malthusian at its core: the surplus population will infinitely consume any welfare system until it is exhausted and cause them all to starve so its better to simply give them nothing and divert those resources into industry which will allow some of them to have gainful sustained employment. Insane Malthusian logic, despite being totally debunked, still underlies a lot of the way people think because it's quite intuitive. If you explain the propositions of industrial capitalism to a lot of its ordinary proponents they often think they're fanciful and magical: 'What do you mean that potential growth is practically infinite!? The most important thing is to just be richer than the other guy. Not enough to go round? Well, the most important thing is for us to make sure we've got ours'. Literally almost everyone is still a closet mercantilist and Malthusian in denial.
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namesake posted:I hate to keep banging on about it but it does seem Malthusian at its core: the surplus population will infinitely consume any welfare system until it is exhausted and cause them all to starve so its better to simply give them nothing and divert those resources into industry which will allow some of them to have gainful sustained employment. But isn't surplus labour important to capitalism as it allows employers to keep wages low and stuff? And it must be in the best interest of the capitalist overlords that the surplus population, while obviously not enjoying being unemployed too much so they are keen to get ahead and strive, aren't actually all starving and dead when they are needed.
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Phoon posted:It's astonishing that they're directly linking the two things because it makes no loving sense we have transcended meaning and now exist in buzzwordspace you cannot hope to appreciate or comprehend our infinite glory
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hookerbot 5000 posted:But isn't surplus labour important to capitalism as it allows employers to keep wages low and stuff? And it must be in the best interest of the capitalist overlords that the surplus population, while obviously not enjoying being unemployed too much so they are keen to get ahead and strive, aren't actually all starving and dead when they are needed. Everything goes out the window on the run-up to an election. Bullshit gets turned up to 11.
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