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davidb posted:Ebola would not have killed billions davidb posted:cuba did not prevent it. Only assisted slightly more than others assisted. Big whoop
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The USSR managed to compete with the USA despite being a frozen hellhole taiga while the USA was an unspoilt land of bounty and plenty. If Russia was capitalist and the USA was socialist we'd be in the Star Trek future by now.
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Jan 20, 2015 21:42
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TheIneff posted:
So you agree america is great and helped pave the way for europe to withdraw from its colonies. If you have a different point youll need to make it yourself.
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Jan 20, 2015 21:45
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Yes it would.
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Jan 20, 2015 21:46
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Unlike America, France had people volunteering to receive their exports of democracy, vin rouge and the french way, thus making the first french republic inherently superior to any other country as a net exporter of heavily armed democrats. 
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Yes it would. No it wouldnt. Flu and mallaria kill much more than ebola always will. And even combined their not killing 1/9th of the world population. From what ive been able to find Cuba sent 250 doctors Doctors withour boarders recorded 2000 medical staff Obama sent 4000 troops to assist. From where im sitting cuba sent a small percentage of total aid to a part of the world that doesnt matter to handle a situation that only matters when the population fears doctors and throws the sick in the streets I mean, if fox news is to be believed ebola is a world pandemic and your coworker probably already spit in your eye. But for someone with a little more perspective there are a million problems more serious than ebola
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Agnosticnixie posted:Unlike America, France had people volunteering to receive their exports of democracy, vin rouge and the french way, thus making the first french republic inherently superior to any other country as a net exporter of heavily armed democrats. You lose. America = almost world peace i win
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Jan 20, 2015 21:53
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davidb posted:Cuba? Castro. Whats the difference.
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Jan 20, 2015 21:54
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davidb posted:You lose. America = almost world peace Tacitus had something to say about Pax of the sort the great powers like.
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Jan 20, 2015 21:55
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Eustachy posted:The USSR managed to compete with the USA despite being a frozen hellhole taiga while the USA was an unspoilt land of bounty and plenty. If Russia was capitalist and the USA was socialist we'd be in the Star Trek future by now. Yeah russia missed its pretend chance to usher in earthly paradise. So well just have to go with the real country that sort of did. America
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Jan 20, 2015 21:59
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Cingulate posted:Well, one is a socialist dictator, the other is a nation of millions of people. Your right i dont know what the hobos of cuba wanted. But i do know and care what the leader of the country wants. And since hes the only one that matters that will do just fine. So can we finally cross out nucelar war inducing cuba off the list or we still have some crazies on that train?
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Jan 20, 2015 22:00
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davidb posted:You lose. America = almost world peace I'm not sure you can call the bloodiest pair of wars the world has ever seen, combined with a decades long standoff between two world superpowers that only accidentally managed to end in something other than nuclear annihilation of the entire planet, "almost world peace". About the best you can say is that for the past few decades, we haven't had anything on the scale of the world wars, the most destructive conflicts in human history. Which, if you want to play Neville Chamberlain, I guess makes "almost world peace" appropriate.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:01
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Agnosticnixie posted:Tacitus had something to say about Pax of the sort the great powers like. Too vague. Talk like you want people to understand you.
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OwlFancier posted:
The best i can say is much more specific than past few decades. More like 60 years and counting of relative global quiet. 60 years is a long time. 60 years is how long it took the mongol empire to conquer the world and collapse. Historically there has been non stop armies sweeping the globe in a world domination game. A seamless timeline of one culture burning, raping and holocausting its way through civilians So yes. This period has been very unique, very healthy and very much thanks to america having a massively larger stick then everyone and mostly using it to keep the peace
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Jan 20, 2015 22:09
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davidb posted:From where im sitting cuba sent a small percentage of total aid to a part of the world that doesnt matter
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davidb posted:The best i can say is much more specific than past few decades. More like 60 years and counting of relative global quiet. Possibly the Cold War had something to do with both the USA and the USSR not being entirely sure who would win in a fight? Again I'm not sure you can accurately phrase "we would totally kill them all but I don't think we could do it without getting killed ourselves" a period of "healthy" peace. I mean, prior to world war 1, we had about a century of peace in Europe, quite without America having anything to do with it. Mostly due to diplomatic efforts by all the large nations of the time. And we didn't even go invading into parts of the world that "don't matter" and destabilize them massively, resulting in huge regional conflicts visible nowadays in the middle east! How about that? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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Jan 20, 2015 22:14
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Yes, just stick your head in the sand. The diseases can't touch you if you don't acknowledge them. Oh man we got a full blown conspiracy theorist here your my favorite. Since im out of the loop. Which shadow government is spreading ebola?
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Jan 20, 2015 22:15
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OwlFancier posted:Again I'm not sure you can accurately phrase "we would totally kill them all but I don't think we could do it without getting killed ourselves" a period of "healthy" peace. I know ...words are hard sometimes. Since peace means not war. And america giving soviets mean looks doesnt qualify. Yes i can quite accurately call a stalemate healthy peace
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Mmm so your idea of a good and constructive peace is an arms race capable of wiping out the majority of human civilisation that manages to end non-destructively only due to the remarkably gentle implosion of one side. And this makes America "good". I hate to think what you would call "bad" America in that case. It may literally not have been possible for the cold war superpowers to more actively attempt the self serving destruction of humanity in the name of imperialist aggression.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:20
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OwlFancier posted:
I just googled who was at war in 1800-1899 A cursory count put it at 400+ wars fought during that 100 years. That was the condition of the world before things got really interesting with 2x world wars. And now say hello to 60 years of relative peace. Humans suck at this peace thing so now we have terrorist bombings but well get there once the muslims catch up to the 21st centery. I give it about 200 years before they get tired of fighting everyone
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So all the fighting in the middle east and Africa doesn't count, I guess? Because I mean, if you want to throw out large chunks of the world for being too foreign, I can do that too.
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OwlFancier posted:Mmm so your idea of a good and constructive peace is an arms race capable of wiping out the majority of human civilisation that manages to end non-destructively only due to the remarkably gentle implosion of one side. Blah blah blah real world stalemate = world peace and you dont like it. The real world is messy. Dont complain world peace didnt happen according to your perfect playbook You got anything better up your sleave or you gonna complain about how much money america has wasted on curing cancer and still no cure? Down with the american pigs!!!
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There have been hundreds of armed conflicts (also know as war) since the end of WW2. Man, I love world peace.
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davidb posted:From where im sitting cuba sent a small percentage of total aid to a part of the world that doesnt matter
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Jan 20, 2015 22:33
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I imagine Davidb only considers wars to be conflicts that take place in the Americas or Europe, considering he most likely believes violence to be the natural state of Muslims and Africans, since he is a racist.
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OwlFancier posted:So all the fighting in the middle east and Africa doesn't count, I guess? Because I mean, if you want to throw out large chunks of the world for being too foreign, I can do that too. Oh it certainly counts. Which is why when im not lazy i try to say almost world peace. Its very difficult to stop everyone who wants to kill their neighbor. If you plotted each war with a little firecracker explosion on a world globe and then accelerated it along a timeline you would see a sharp drop off post ww2. Which is why anyone worth talking too will say this is the most peaceful earth has been since civilization happened. I mean, where we at on this. Do i have to explain the world is round, the sun rotates around the earth and theres less war now than ever? You going to puke from your brain the first contrarian thing you can think of. Or you gonna accept the obvious. The worlds almost at peace and its because america is the worlds police?
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Jan 20, 2015 22:36
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davidb posted:Oh man we got a full blown conspiracy theorist here your my favorite.
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davidb posted:If you plotted each war with a little firecracker explosion on a world globe and then accelerated it along a timeline you would see a sharp drop off post ww2.
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Cingulate posted:#blacklivesmatter Poor countries, full of corruption, bent on committing genocide every other year, who have rejected many efforts to bring them into the 21st century Dont matter. Could be yellow, red, brown, white. There are latin american and asian countries that dont matter too. When they get their poo poo together and step on the world stage then they matter. #thisistherealworld
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davidb posted:Poor countries, full of corruption, bent on committing genocide every other year, who have rejected many efforts to bring them into the 21st century
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Jan 20, 2015 22:40
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A Buttery Pastry posted:There's no conspiracy, just you choosing to ignore something because the alternative would see the fiction you believe in fall apart before your eyes. I get it dude, the illuminati and lizard men. I just want you to enlighten me which shadow government is spreading ebola so i know which cereal not to buy
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davidb posted:Poor countries, full of corruption, bent on committing genocide every other year, who have rejected many efforts to bring them into the 21st century Racist lives don't matter. How you die should be violently, alone, and in tremendous pain.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:41
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Cingulate posted:In the real world, you're astonishingly racist. Though now I understand how quick you are to declare US #1!!!!. Im black who am i racist against? I said poor countries dont matter. What are you saying. All poor countries are black? Thats racist dude
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davidb posted:I get it dude, the illuminati and lizard men. I just want you to enlighten me which shadow government is spreading ebola so i know which cereal not to buy davidb posted:Im black who am i racist against? I said poor countries dont matter.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:43
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davidb posted:Im black who am i racist against? I said poor countries dont matter. No you're not. You claimed earlier "Those blacks and Native Americans get special treatment" You are not black. Don't say that. Intersectionality exists anyway, it's not like blacks can't be racist towards foreigners. A Buttery Pastry posted:The shadow government of scared Africans running around sneezing on each other. Also lols, you got pwned.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:44
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A Buttery Pastry posted:There's no conspiracy, just you choosing to ignore something because the alternative would see the fiction you believe in fall apart before your eyes.
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davidb posted:Im black who am i racist against? I said poor countries dont matter. Whites. You're racist against white people.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:Intersectionality exists anyway, it's not like blacks can't be racist towards foreigners.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Ebola doesn't even make it to the top ten horrible endemic plagues that routinely ravage Africa and isn't a threat to anyone living in a country with 20th century sanitation and healthcare.
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Cingulate posted:... blacks ... lovely ... other kind of human. A Buttery Pastry posted:Because Cuba saved us.
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