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V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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I'm always a little surprised about the racists' fondness for the monarchy. Like, the King has repeatedly disavowed racist views very publicly, are they assuming that he's just being manipulated by the cultural marxists in the Labour party and needs liberating, or what?

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MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

V. Illych L. posted:

I'm always a little surprised about the racists' fondness for the monarchy. Like, the King has repeatedly disavowed racist views very publicly, are they assuming that he's just being manipulated by the cultural marxists in the Labour party and needs liberating, or what?

They're in favour of nationalism and the king is the figurehead of the nation. It has nothing to do with how much they like him personally, this isn't complicated.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

Also if you buy into the whole royal blood thing, it kinda fits with racist ideology.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot

V. Illych L. posted:

I'm always a little surprised about the racists' fondness for the monarchy. Like, the King has repeatedly disavowed racist views very publicly, are they assuming that he's just being manipulated by the cultural marxists in the Labour party and needs liberating, or what?

Like many (most?) Norwegians, they are nationalists, and they do try to play on the whole WWII resistance movement/Norwegian military stuff as it is such a powerful part of our nationalism. As for the latter, well, they have amazing tolerance for cognitive dissonance. Apparently they don't particularly care that WWII was a battle against literal nazis and that the current line of royals have been shockingly socially liberal since the start. Perhaps that postive image is so strong that even racists can't help but feel nostalgia for it. To be fair, one could accuse most of us social democrats as being somewhat irrational when it comes to the royal family as well, seeing as they don't particularly fit with the idea of a progressive socialist utopia either.

thotsky fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Jan 21, 2015

Postorder Trollet89
Jan 12, 2008
Sweden doesn't do religion. But if they did, it would probably be the best religion in the world.
Pending investigation: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article20153408.ab

Holy poo poo this is bad for M, foretunately for them they are rid of Bildt.

Gedt
Oct 3, 2007

Postorder Trollet89 posted:

Pending investigation: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article20153408.ab

Holy poo poo this is bad for M, foretunately for them they are rid of Bildt.

Call me a cynic, but all things considered, anyone surprised? Shame it didnt break til after the election I guess?

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

PEGIDA-DK's first march had about 150 people. It's founded and headed by "former" Danish People's Party candidate Nicolai Sennels, psychologist, Buddhist and proponent of honest to God race theories about the "50% inbred Muslim gene pool" being responsible for criminal inclinations. Dan Park and some other neo-nazis showed up, and at one point someone shouted "Yes to medister, no to halal! Yes to Mussolini, no to Muhammad!". They marched to the Little Mermaid statue and sang Til Ungdommen.

In other news, 13% of Danes want a new party to the right of the Danish People's Party. John Hitler 2015.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
I like that Sennels guy.

Amperod
Jun 16, 2006

Ligur posted:

I like that Sennels guy.
Me too.
He seems like such a nice guy.
I am sure he is getting in Folketing at the next election.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
That is great. Maybe he can bring in new, more sensible politics, when it comes to certain matters.

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Gedt posted:

Call me a cynic, but all things considered, anyone surprised? Shame it didnt break til after the election I guess?

Anyone actually upset by this? This have been the norm for SIDA the last 30-40 years where we have given money to corrupt dictators (left and right) for a long time.
Fun fact: The political parties gets to distribute a certain amount of money to organisations of their choice, which have for instance resulted in V giving money to FARC.
Thinking it would have had any effect on the election is pretty naive, especially since all parties are guilty.
Another fun fact: Of the foreign aid Sweden gives to poorer nations, Sweden is the main recipient due to the immigration collapse. Last year it expanded from 4 to 9 billions.
Money that incidentally would save more lives if given to poorer countries.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
Swedish Social Democrats want to REWARD people who behead people, rape children and sell women to slavery. It's probably a quite rattling rattling experience to move to Sweden, ostensibly to escape behadings, rapes of children, and slavery, and find out that a very long standing and prominent member of the parliament and the most historic party in the country have serious hotts for these kinds of things and support people who commit stuff like that :haw:

edit: if any unemployed Swedes read this thread... go do some Jihad on Syria. Rape and behead some kids. U will get a job when U get back because now U r traumatized. (gently caress the rest who didn't do anything like that.)

Ligur fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Jan 23, 2015

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Ligur posted:

Swedish Social Democrats want to REWARD people who behead people, rape children and sell women to slavery. It's probably a quite rattling rattling experience to move to Sweden, ostensibly to escape behadings, rapes of children, and slavery, and find out that a very long standing and prominent member of the parliament and the most historic party in the country have serious hotts for these kinds of things and support people who commit stuff like that :haw:

edit: if any unemployed Swedes read this thread... go do some Jihad on Syria. Rape and behead some kids. U will get a job when U get back because now U r traumatized. (gently caress the rest who didn't do anything like that.)

So you think throwing them into prisons were they can (and will looking at historical precedent) convert others would be better? On an un-related but similar tangent, do you disapprove of offering help to people that want to get out of drugs, gambling or organised crime to avoid them falling back? Do you simply not believe in the idea of rehabilitation?

MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jan 23, 2015

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
But don't you see that what really is important here is to establish huge-rear end disincentives for foreign IS fighters to desert? Because leaving every single Johnny Jihadi with no option but to fight to the death for Daesh is what's really gonna take the fight out of IS.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

Maybe it is a good idea to let them go down there and see what it's actually like, get back and become rehabilitated and help convince others not to go. I don't know. But there must be better ways than that.

Ligur posted:

Swedish Social Democrats want to REWARD people who behead people, rape children and sell women to slavery. It's probably a quite rattling rattling experience to move to Sweden, ostensibly to escape behadings, rapes of children, and slavery, and find out that a very long standing and prominent member of the parliament and the most historic party in the country have serious hotts for these kinds of things and support people who commit stuff like that :haw:

edit: if any unemployed Swedes read this thread... go do some Jihad on Syria. Rape and behead some kids. U will get a job when U get back because now U r traumatized. (gently caress the rest who didn't do anything like that.)
Why in the world would I go somewhere I don't want to visit, do things I don't want to do and all for a cause I don't believe in? Although I'll admit it almost sounds better than what Arbetsförmedlingen is doing to me.

Poil fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jan 23, 2015

Tamerlame
Oct 20, 2012

Ligur posted:

Swedish Social Democrats want to REWARD people who behead people, rape children and sell women to slavery. It's probably a quite rattling rattling experience to move to Sweden, ostensibly to escape behadings, rapes of children, and slavery, and find out that a very long standing and prominent member of the parliament and the most historic party in the country have serious hotts for these kinds of things and support people who commit stuff like that :haw:

edit: if any unemployed Swedes read this thread... go do some Jihad on Syria. Rape and behead some kids. U will get a job when U get back because now U r traumatized. (gently caress the rest who didn't do anything like that.)

I've always been just one job offer away from raping and beheading.

Postorder Trollet89
Jan 12, 2008
Sweden doesn't do religion. But if they did, it would probably be the best religion in the world.

Xoidanor posted:

So you think throwing them into prisons were they can (and will looking at historical precedent) convert others would be better? On an un-related but similar tangent, do you disapprove of offering help to people that want to get out of drugs, gambling or organised crime to avoid them falling back? Do you simply not believe in the idea of rehabilitation?

Or he's just an rear end in a top hat.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Xoidanor posted:

So you think throwing them into prisons were they can (and will looking at historical precedent) convert others would be better? On an un-related but similar tangent, do you disapprove of offering help to people that want to get out of drugs, gambling or organised crime to avoid them falling back? Do you simply not believe in the idea of rehabilitation?
You could always keep them segregated, so they don't mingle with prisoners who didn't volunteer to fight for a force or mass murdering rapists. You could still attempt rehabilitation within such a system.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Xoidanor posted:

So you think throwing them into prisons were they can (and will looking at historical precedent) convert others would be better? On an un-related but similar tangent, do you disapprove of offering help to people that want to get out of drugs, gambling or organised crime to avoid them falling back? Do you simply not believe in the idea of rehabilitation?

No, of course not prisons. I think that if someone is bothered enough to intentionally join a club that beheads and rapes children, or sells them as slaves (thereupon to be raped a bit more) he should be given a substantial government allowance to the country of his or her choice. The best way the rehab said person would be to also offer a cushy job. Perhaps with children of some other ethnicity or religion?

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011


Apathy is death. :haw:

widunder
May 2, 2002
Ding dong the witch is dead.

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/politik/hagglund-avgar/

(should've been Björklund)

Postorder Trollet89
Jan 12, 2008
Sweden doesn't do religion. But if they did, it would probably be the best religion in the world.
Björklund will be dragged from his post kicking and screaming.

widunder
May 2, 2002

Postorder Trollet89 posted:

Björklund will be dragged from his post kicking and screaming.
I've missed my ideal resigning point. With every day I delay, it's another year before I can get back again. If I had resigned the day I was appointed, I'd actually be prime minister by now.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!
I'm a sad that Hägglund left before Björklund since I believe that Björklund is actively promoting worse ideas than Hägglund (!) in the public discussion, while also holding back a party that potentially could promote better ideas.

I mean, a conservative Christian party will always be a conservative Christian party more or less, it says so on the tin. A liberal party could be promoting humanism and social development instead of singlemindedly focus on educational reforms that is denounced by pretty much all teachers and scientists, and dog whistle racism.

Captain Scandinaiva
Mar 29, 2010



Well, I guess he had to do something with their numbers. I got the idea Hägglund was never popular within the party. Any ideas on who will take over?

It's funny how Björklund wants to reinstate the "authority of teachers", yet won't listen to their opinions when it comes to school policy. He's determined to increase their administrative work.

Truck Stop Daddy
Apr 17, 2013

A janitor cleans the bathroom

Muldoon
Question: What are the reasoning behind the state wanting to sell all or some stocks of well run, profitable companies? Apparently theres parliament majority for getting rid of a bunch of stocks in telenor, while the government also wants to get rid of flytoget. they have already sold cermaq to japan.

Even though i'm an economics dumbass (gently caress monies tbqh), i really cant see how this is a good policy. Cashing in a one time sum versus having a steady income for all forseeable future. It would make sense to me if the state ran the companies incredibly badly or the companies were not doing well or something along those lines. However, flytoget is doing very, very well, telenor makes insane megabux, and cermaq was making 100s of billions NOK per year iirc.

Public debate for the last ten years has been "what shall we do when we run out of oil." I dont see how selling something to overseas companies makes our future any more secure, or how we can benefit from it at all in the long run.

The only argument for the state getting rid of stocks like this that I can see, is idealogical mumbojumbo about how the state "shouldn't own stuff" by principle. the population is generally not fond of these sales either. this poo poo gets me fuming. current government is a bunch of toiletlords

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Atal Vataman posted:

Question: What are the reasoning behind the state wanting to sell all or some stocks of well run, profitable companies? Apparently theres parliament majority for getting rid of a bunch of stocks in telenor, while the government also wants to get rid of flytoget. they have already sold cermaq to japan.

Even though i'm an economics dumbass (gently caress monies tbqh), i really cant see how this is a good policy. Cashing in a one time sum versus having a steady income for all forseeable future. It would make sense to me if the state ran the companies incredibly badly or the companies were not doing well or something along those lines. However, flytoget is doing very, very well, telenor makes insane megabux, and cermaq was making 100s of billions NOK per year iirc.

Public debate for the last ten years has been "what shall we do when we run out of oil." I dont see how selling something to overseas companies makes our future any more secure, or how we can benefit from it at all in the long run.

The only argument for the state getting rid of stocks like this that I can see, is idealogical mumbojumbo about how the state "shouldn't own stuff" by principle. the population is generally not fond of these sales either. this poo poo gets me fuming. current government is a bunch of toiletlords


It's literally this.

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

Cerebral Bore posted:

It's literally this.

Yes, literally, and it's massively, massively stupid. Every time.

Except I don't know that it's just ideological, as I can't be quite rid of this niggling suspicion in the back of my head that a lot of Høyre's supporters are looking at that massive piece of government pie and thinking "why can't I have all of that". After all, extra income for the state doesn't benefit them in any way.

Truck Stop Daddy
Apr 17, 2013

A janitor cleans the bathroom

Muldoon
yeah, høyre is party for investors and capital and stuff obviously, but its not like what høyre is doing actually helps any of the norwegian investors. the interested parties so far are 100% foreign. i dont see how transferring ownership of norwegian companies out of the country benefits us in any way at all. wasnt there some chinese company who wanted to buy flytoget? Even if youre a business dude, this must sound like

also, siv jensen on dagsnytt 18 last night. http://radio.nrk.no/serie/dagsnytt-atten/NMAG03001915/28-01-2015#t=1m2s
first she got upset because people (sly AP and NRK) apaprently have been telling lies about what shes been saying, then she continued by restating what AP accused her of saying to begin with. "I've NEVER said we should not follow the human rights conventions. What I am saying is that we should discuss whether we should bother following them". gently caress off. the way the state their opinions is loving infuriating too. ferdigfordøyd oppgulp fra pr-rådgivere #tåkeprat

Truck Stop Daddy fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Jan 29, 2015

TLM3101
Sep 8, 2010



On the other hand, it has been deeply satisfying watching FRP simmer and fry gently in their own fat for the last week or two.

Captain Scandinaiva
Mar 29, 2010



Don't forget you can use the cash you got from selling public property to finance short-term tax cuts which will score points with the middle class and keep wages down :)

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

widunder posted:

Ding dong the witch is dead.

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/politik/hagglund-avgar/

(should've been Björklund)

Oh for fucks sake, the next election is going to be a nightmare if Bush gets the seat.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Atal Vataman posted:

Question: What are the reasoning behind the state wanting to sell all or some stocks of well run, profitable companies? Apparently theres parliament majority for getting rid of a bunch of stocks in telenor, while the government also wants to get rid of flytoget. they have already sold cermaq to japan.

Even though i'm an economics dumbass (gently caress monies tbqh), i really cant see how this is a good policy. Cashing in a one time sum versus having a steady income for all forseeable future. It would make sense to me if the state ran the companies incredibly badly or the companies were not doing well or something along those lines. However, flytoget is doing very, very well, telenor makes insane megabux, and cermaq was making 100s of billions NOK per year iirc.

Public debate for the last ten years has been "what shall we do when we run out of oil." I dont see how selling something to overseas companies makes our future any more secure, or how we can benefit from it at all in the long run.

The only argument for the state getting rid of stocks like this that I can see, is idealogical mumbojumbo about how the state "shouldn't own stuff" by principle. the population is generally not fond of these sales either. this poo poo gets me fuming. current government is a bunch of toiletlords

Pure Ideology.

It's pretty funny seeing the conservatives trying to sell us on this by saying they're spreading the wealth though.

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



So the case of the asylum children took a pretty depressing turn today.

quote:

1. november ble et offisielt, skarpt brev forfattet i det afghanske utenriksdepartementet. Mottaker var den norske ambassaden i Kabul.

I postjournalen på ambassaden ble dokumentet innført under stikkordene «Kritikk av tvangsmessig retur fra Norge», og videresendt til Utenriksdepartementet i Oslo.

Bergens Tidende har bedt om å få se brevet både hos ambassaden i Kabul og UD, uten hell.

Begge instanser viser til at brevet må hemmeligholdes «av hensyn til Norges utenrikspolitiske interesser».

Regjeringsapparatet har heller ikke vært villige til å opplyse noe som helst om dokumentets innhold.

Bergens Tidende har via andre kanaler fått tilgang til brevet. Dokumentet inneholder en utvetydig trussel om at fortsatte tvangsreturer av barnefamilier vil få alvorlige konsekvenser for retursamarbeidet med Norge.

http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Holdt-protest-mot-tvangsreturer-hemmelig-3290419.html

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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Frøy Gulbrandsen has been knocking that poo poo out of the park. I was this close to ending my subscription on Bergens Tidende, and now they're redeeming themselves with much style. I'm loving it.

The best part is, Solberg can't just can Anundsen, she's been so solid in backing him up. Besides, who else is capable of being minister of justice? Sandberg? lol

Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



BT har publisert brevet. (pdf)

quote:

Direktoratet for flyktninger og returnerende i Afghanistans Islamske Republikk opplyser
følgende i sitt brev datert 21.10.2014:
”Som dere vet, er deporteringsgraden av afghanske familier i Norges Kongelige stat i disse
dager i stadig økning, noe som har bekymret Direktoratet for flyktninger og returnerende
sterkt. Da fryktelige sikkerhetsomstendigheter og sikkerhetsforhold, økonomiske forhold,
arbeidsløshet, manglende tak over hode og manglende mulighet til utdanning og
hensiktsmessig miljø for barns oppvekst og sikring av deres øvre interesser i Afghanistan er et
unektelig faktum, vil deportering av afghanske familier under slike kaotiske omstendigheter
muligens føre til at disse påføres forskjellige skader.
Av disse grunner ber Direktoratet for flyktninger og returnerende Norges Kongelige stat, før
De deporterer afghanske familier, om å ta i betraktning de fryktelige forholdene som
dominerer i Afghanistan og de opprinnelige stedene som disse familiene returneres tilbake til
samt, basert på forståelsen partene imellom, å tilby disse frivillig retur og unngå å deportere
disse da ved deportering vil slike familier ellers bli avvist ved innreise til Afghanistan.”

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

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holy sentences, batman

Pannus
Mar 14, 2004

Yeah, I can see why Anundsen said the letter needed to be kept secret because of "utenrikspolitiske interesser". The current government is a gang of retards, but it's kinda amusing how they manage to own themselves so hard, time after time.

chute shine boy
Aug 7, 2013
I actually think that mass immigration into sweden is a good thing and that Denmark and the government in Kristiania should co-operate to encourage it.

This will hopefully dilute the swedish population to extinction.(i.e. i hope that it works like differentials and that when immigration goes to infinity the swedish menace goes to 0 and the dustbin of history)

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Grimson
Dec 16, 2004



Panniculus Rift posted:

Yeah, I can see why Anundsen said the letter needed to be kept secret because of "utenrikspolitiske interesser". The current government is a gang of retards, but it's kinda amusing how they manage to own themselves so hard, time after time.

quote:

Torsdag morgen ga statssekretær Jøran Kallmyr uttrykk for at han ikke kjente til brevet.

Torsdag ettermiddag erkjenner han at informasjonen var kjent for ham allerede i november.

- Det brevet jeg så i Aftenposten i dag tidlig, var et brev skrevet på persisk. Jeg kan ikke persisk, så jeg sa at dette må jeg undersøke om vi har mottatt. Vi har bare mottatt en engelsk versjon av dette brevet.

- Innholdet var vel det samme, om det var skrevet på engelsk eller persisk?

- Ja, men jeg kan ikke persisk, og når jeg blir presentert med brevet på persisk, må jeg få tid til å sjekke om det er det samme vi har på engelsk.

- Betyr det at innholdet var ukjent for deg?

- Det betyr ikke at innholdet var ukjent, men den persiske versjonen jeg så, kunne jeg ikke vite om vi hadde mottatt, sier Kallmyr.

Also tommorrow the KrF central committee is voting on a proposal to stop supporting the government. It's been a fantastic 2015 for the government so far.

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