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Tao Jones posted:Christie's an interesting choice, but I don't think Republican voters have forgiven him for turning to Obama during Hurricane Sandy yet. It might happen, maybe, but I think people outside of NJ would need more time to get to know him. On the contrary, I think occasional displays of "bipartisanship" are essential to being considered electable by the beltway establishment. There's a strong aversion to wingnuts within the Republican machine because they're seen as unreliable and damaging to the party's "brand." Maybe this will be the year the fringe finally beats the establishment, but I doubt it. In the past, the candidates who've won the nomination have been unimpeachably orthodox in their conservatism, but also had some fig leaf of "character" to suggest that they were real idealists rather than just robots following the party programming. Romney was a "blue state republican," McCain was a "maverick," George W. was a "compassionate conservative," and so on. Having some minor dispute with the right wing of the party helps a candidate stand out and makes them seem a little more appealing to all the centrists out there who (supposedly) decide elections. As long as the candidate doesn't go far enough to the center to actually alienate the base, it's a win. No, to my mind the biggest hurdle for Christie is the likeability issue. The bridge scandal hurt him so much in part because it underlines the image many people already had of him, of an arrogant bully who likes to throw his (considerable) weight around and always seems to be yelling. It's all too easy to box him into the stereotype of a "Jersey thug" and, unless he can succeed in re-branding himself as a big ol' teddy bear, it's going to be very hard for him to gain traction in the rest of the country.
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Tao Jones posted:Christie's an interesting choice, but I don't think Republican voters have forgiven him for turning to Obama during Hurricane Sandy yet. It might happen, maybe, but I think people outside of NJ would need more time to get to know him. Actually, probably better that they don't get to know him? The more I hear about him, the less likable he seems. If he can craft a persona and sell it to the nation, that might be something, but it's too hard to bury all the petty, bad, embarrassing stuff. Although supposedly Ailes was courting Christie heavily in 12, maybe he's still got that support?
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Romney is running again and there are reasons he didn't pick Christie as his running mate last go round. I look forward to him being very open about those reasons if Christie gains the slightest bit of traction. I don't think Christie will make it through the primary, especially with Romney surrogates dripping poison in the ears of potential donors.
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sullat posted:Actually, probably better that they don't get to know him? The more I hear about him, the less likable he seems. If he can craft a persona and sell it to the nation, that might be something, but it's too hard to bury all the petty, bad, embarrassing stuff. Although supposedly Ailes was courting Christie heavily in 12, maybe he's still got that support? Presumably there is something in Christie's oppo binder (not full of women) that made Romney run screaming* away from him as a potential VP selection. *walk smirking
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Peztopiary posted:Romney is running again and there are reasons he didn't pick Christie as his running mate last go round. I look forward to him being very open about those reasons if Christie gains the slightest bit of traction. I don't think Christie will make it through the primary, especially with Romney surrogates dripping poison in the ears of potential donors. Wasn't part of the problem that Christie refused to open up to full scrutiny? That's pretty much an admission that there are some ugly things hiding in your past.
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mdemone posted:Presumably there is something in Christie's oppo binder (not full of women). Hey hey hey, don't judge, plenty of girls go for the rear end in a top hat-types, you don't know, maybe Christie's got mad game.
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Gyges posted:As soon as the right flipped out over Michelle Obama suggesting that maybe we shouldn't have a double cheeseburger and a shake for every meal he no longer needed his Dr. Phil style healthy living guide. Leading by example, that's the kind of President we need. 
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Regarding Rand Paul, don't forget that we're all internet-dwelling folks which makes Rand Paul seem a lot more reasonable. Out on a campaign trail/debate his policies are going to get completely grilled by the Republican audiences. His relative youth and inexperience will also play against him, as he'll be outmaneuvered on talking points and will end up looking a lot dumber than he is on a debate stage. He'll get some attention and some traction, but I think he is a long way from being any sort of realistic contender.
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Sir Tonk posted:Leading by example, that's the kind of President we need. Let's all just vote for whoever is fattest and see what happens.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Let's all just vote for whoever is fattest and see what happens. 
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"Michellethy", to balance out with "Obamacare".
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Just got around to watching Huckabee on The Daily Show last night. It's like someone poured the culture war into a suit (and there's a lot of culture war) which we're going to have to listen to for the next two years. It's intolerable.
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TheBalor posted:Wasn't part of the problem that Christie refused to open up to full scrutiny? That's pretty much an admission that there are some ugly things hiding in your past. Romney's advisors have said that they turned up enough on him to have destroyed him in the primary. That means they actually found the ugly things, and they didn't spend anything close to what will get spent if he's an actual candidate.
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evilweasel posted:Romney's advisors have said that they turned up enough on him to have destroyed him in the primary. That means they actually found the ugly things, and they didn't spend anything close to what will get spent if he's an actual candidate. If Christie has such huge, obvious weaknesses, why is he considering running? Is it misplaced confidence or maybe the belief that even if he loses his career comes out ahead?
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:If Christie has such huge, obvious weaknesses, why is he considering running? Is it misplaced confidence or maybe the belief that even if he loses his career comes out ahead? Colossal, delusional ego and a coterie of sycophants to tell you that you can be president are pretty much required to step into the game. Apparently Christie still has some kind of inner circle who hasn't turned on him yet.
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Those moderates love you, Christie! Sure you briefly exhausted your goodwill from Sandy for your bridge fuckery, but they forgot that and the Tea Party loves you now for sticking it to them liebruls!
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:If Christie has such huge, obvious weaknesses, why is he considering running? Is it misplaced confidence or maybe the belief that even if he loses his career comes out ahead? an unsuccessful high profile bid for the presidency seems to do better for your book deal/cable news show/speaking fees than simply continuing to be governor. This is Christie saving for retirement
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I'd imagine that Christie sees in himself the ideal gap-spanning (because he is fat you see) candidate that can be something to enough of every major demographic that he can get elected as a Republican where others cannot. I cant see him thinking himself as being clean, but I can see him thinking that people will realize that it does not matter in the face of him being the only ultimately electable person eating corn dogs in Iowa.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:If Christie has such huge, obvious weaknesses, why is he considering running? Is it misplaced confidence or maybe the belief that even if he loses his career comes out ahead? He may disagree about how bad the skeletons are or not realize they're there, or just figure that anything that damaging would have leaked already.
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QwertyAsher posted:an unsuccessful high profile bid for the presidency seems to do better for your book deal/cable news show/speaking fees than simply continuing to be governor. This is Christie saving for retirement Chris Christie saving for retirement seems like a silly idea.
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Remember that Bill Clinton and Gary Hart ran for President while having active extramarital affairs. If you're running for President, your ego and ambition are already so large that these things don't factor in.
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Chris Christie got the "black" from Obama when he hugged him, he is tainted and therefore ineligible for the Republican nomination.
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Joementum posted:Just got around to watching Huckabee on The Daily Show last night. It's like someone poured the culture war into a suit (and there's a lot of culture war) which we're going to have to listen to for the next two years. It's intolerable. That was loving rough. I just posted in the SOTU thread to kill time during the pre-game show. It was cringe worthy watching Huck bend over backwards trying to justify jamming with Ted Nugent while decrying Beyonce. Nice description by the way. I'm going to borrow that one.
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evilweasel posted:He may disagree about how bad the skeletons are or not realize they're there, or just figure that anything that damaging would have leaked already. The Romney people haven't exactly established themselves as world-beaters when it comes to savvy political analysis.
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Joementum posted:Remember that Bill Clinton and Gary Hart ran for President while having active extramarital affairs. Also, apparently Nixon ran for president after taking bribes, committing treason, and spying on his opponents. And he was elected, twice! I guess if the (future) president does it, it wasn't illegal.
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Venom Snake posted:Chris Christie got the "black" from Obama when he hugged him, he is tainted and therefore ineligible for the Republican nomination. Nooo, don't say that around hete, apparently if the GOP is known for one thing, its rational forgiveness and being welcome of working with Obama.
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Venom Snake posted:Chris Christie got the "black" from Obama when he hugged him, he is tainted and therefore ineligible for the Republican nomination. I guess that explains the awkward hug footage from that Cowboys game.
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And the sitting two-term vice president isn't even being considered? I  that Joe Biden will be at the first official democratic primary debate (official being defined as organized by the DNC and carried by a major tv network).If I had my way, I would want Joe Biden to be perpetual vice president until he has to retire. Zombie Joe Biden for Vice President 2076.
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celeron 300a posted:And the sitting two-term vice president isn't even being considered? I I believe Biden would like to run, but knows he has no shot with Hillary running. If she announced she wasn't running though I think he'd run.
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Impromptu survey of Clinton v. Romney - Clinton Clinton v. Bush - Tie Clinton v. Cruz - Clinton Clinton v. Christie - Undecided Clinton v. Paul - Billary unanimously Clinton v. Rubio - Clinton I think 2016 is Clinton's to lose, except against Bush, where she'll struggle due to her inability to rapidly adapt to Bush's evolving policy positions. Key notes: -Clinton is a bitch, which is one of her greatest strengths and why white voters love her. If she presents herself as a soft, bipartisan leader rather than a woman warrior, she'll likely struggle in the polls and and end with a white vote comparable to Obama '12. -Who the gently caress are Rubio/Cruz/Paul ? -Romney is a loser, Clinton wins easily -Christie is viewed as a strong, no-shits man who don't take gruff, and would gobble Hillary if she sells herself as a caring woman -Clinton ran the country during the 90s as a bitch, which was viewed positively Survey disclaimers: Sample size under 60, gathered in random drinkkng discussions in Chicagoland over past week. Still, when individuals were asked, "Who do you expect to be the next President?," resounding response was Clinton. Responses which were varients of, "gently caress you/gently caress off/gently caress outta here," were discarded from analysis.
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celeron 300a posted:And the sitting two-term vice president isn't even being considered? I Biden has fine credentials and is liked by plenty of liberals (the main strike against him from the left is his status as a staunch drug warrior, the War on Drugs being more or less the original sin of his whole generation of politicians.). But to the electorate at large, he's a hokey joke politician and a burden to the current administration. I don't think there has been much positive mainstream buzz about him since right after his debate against Ryan. He is also pretty drat old. If elected, he would be several years older at inauguration than Reagan or Harrison. Fertile attack ground there. Carter/Mondale vs Bush/Dole 2016 PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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Who's doing the SOTU GOP response? Any of the likely contenders (or "contenders")?
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Who's doing the SOTU GOP response? Any of the likely contenders (or "contenders")? A woman who's election season claim to fame was personally castrating an animal.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Who's doing the SOTU GOP response? Any of the likely contenders (or "contenders")? Ernst, so no.
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Lol looking it up online. Joni Ernst gives the GOP response to Obama. Who is she? USA TODAY - 6 hours ago
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Lol looking it up online. Joni Ernst - Hog Castrator - Official GOP Kurt Clawson - Professional Indian Recognizer - Tea Party Rand Paul - Rand Paul - Rand Paul
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Joementum posted:Remember that Bill Clinton and Gary Hart ran for President while having active extramarital affairs. If you're a college grad it has to be unbelievable that Clinton survived the Monica Lewinsky scandal. The old duffer is already making preliminary plans to inhabit the Oval Office AGAIN, according to an interview a couple of days ago, this time with his wife in charge. Now that's chutzpah!
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I can't wait for Joni Ernst to once again embarrass the state of Iowa.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Impromptu survey of ahhh.. my nemesis MIGF appears once again. Clinton will have to try to overcome 'Liberal Fatigue' if she hopes to win the presidency. America has already had 8 years of a Democrat in the hot seat so it really depends on whether they want more of the same or if they 'Vote for Change.'
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joeburz posted:A woman who's election season claim to fame was personally castrating an animal. A woman who's election season claim to fame was personally being Bill Clinton's wife. And that worked in New loving York, so tits to Iowa I guess.
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