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LemonDrizzle posted:I'm not sure it's worth getting too worked up about the Spectator's musings on discussions that may or may not be going on within Labour. As far as the Speccie goes, Hardman's not that bad. Labour's fee cut is still regressive anyway.
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TinTower posted:So apparently, Labour are discussing limiting their tuition fee cut to STEM subjects only. Angepain posted:Presenting the Really Useful Undergraduate Degrees of the Labour Shadow Cabinet: (source is skimming the Early Life section of their wikipedia pages, so take that for what it's worth) Well I thought it was a stupid idea before but now I see that this is Labour enacting evidence based policy. The last thing we want is to fund more people to become politicians.
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Angepain posted:worthwhile degrees I genuinely get so mad at this whole attitude of STEM-worship (not saying you're guilty of it). Can we please start measuring and rewarding disciplines by their overall social utility rather than purely by their economic potential please, tia
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Disinterested posted:Other current articles on the Spectator: Wikipedia: quote:Fiske-Harrison was educated at Eton College and the University of Oxford, and as a postgraduate at the London School of Economics and Political Science. He also trained at the Method acting school, the Stella Adler Conservatory in New York City when Marlon Brando was its chairman.  Pretty typical Spectator contributor, from what I can see.
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I've applied for the NHS scientists trainee Programme, to get a chance to come back to the glorious kingdom (and probably be made redundant as we're privatized). Wish me luck, goons. Anyone with any experience in NHS recruiting or clinical biochemistry here? It'll be very competitive especially if I go up against people with a masters or experience. So the more info the better. I'd appreciate it 
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Umiapik posted:Wikipedia: Ugh, look at this loving twat. Unlit cigarette, tiny (yet untouched) bottle of rum, head in one hand, shirt open, trying to look like a hard living Hemingway type by propping open a book about bullfighting. It's not because you're posh that you can't get on in the arts, mate. It's because you're an irritating poser prick.
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Umiapik posted:Wikipedia: lmao look at this wanker
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lmao what a ballbag. Sometimes I worry I'm getting too posh, but then I see this and lol.
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brooding alone in a moodily lit room with my cigarettes and liquor just like hemingway is no good if people can't see me doing it. Get a photographer in here this instant!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30908938quote:The official inquiry into the 2003 Iraq War will not publish its long-awaited report before the general election. Heaven forbid people are given information before an election! They might vote wrong 
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quote:(There's some maths in that economics I guess, or at least, there'll be the odd equation or two, maybe. Which is fine, and how modelling is supposed to work, except no-one knows what the key features are that you need to keep in your economic model and what can be safely discarded. So you just assume perfectly spherical rational humanoids and go from there, and then it turns out to not model reality all that well  edit: I did an economics degree
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ThomasPaine posted:I genuinely get so mad at this whole attitude of STEM-worship (not saying you're guilty of it). Suits me. I did Philosophy which means everyone in the world hates me. Not even any economics to soften the blow. edit: although now thinking about it i'm not sure I have any social utility. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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ThomasPaine posted:Can we please start measuring and rewarding disciplines by their overall social utility rather than purely by their economic potential please, tia
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Heaven forbid people are given information before an election! They might vote wrong While I don't doubt that there's some of this at work, the report legally could not be published in the six weeks before the election due to purdah rules. e: actually it might be more complicated than that, purdah is pretty vague. Party Boat fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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Lunar Suite posted:I've applied for the NHS scientists trainee Programme, to get a chance to come back to the glorious kingdom (and probably be made redundant as we're privatized). Wish me luck, goons. I did nuclear physics at university and applied for the NHS Scientist Training Programme, 2013-14 intake. I don't know what stage you're at, but one of the first hurdles is an online questionaire you have to fill out followed by five questions. The five questions have a hard word limit of, IIRC, 100 words. This stage took me 10 hours from start to finish, those questions need a lot of effort and research. Short answers are frowned upon apparently, the advice I was given was to run them as close to the limit as possible. If you get through that stage, I think there's another round where you choose what speciality you'd like to pursue and where. Only certain hospitals offer certain things, like for Ionising Radiation Health & Safety my only two options were QMC in Nottingham or the hospital in Guildford (Surrey County Hospital I think?). Then you get invited for interview, which I think is the final hurdle. These were done at Birmingham City Football Ground when I went (about 12 months ago now), if you get to this stage you're one of just four applicants for each place so you've done pretty well. It's four, ten minute long interviews conducted one after the other with a 1 minute break bewteen each one. Each interview is done by two medical specialists, either current NHS doctors or independant specialists. One will be about your understanding and knowledge of your subject. being a nuclear physicist I got asked a lot about x-rays, attenuation through different itssues, how to change the shape or power of an x-ray beam, stuff like that. The second will be about your general understanding of the NHS and healthcare. For this I was asked about why it's important to have independant assessment of a practice's performance and capabilities. Third interview was about management and leadership skills. I was asked who I considered to be "a great leader" and had to justify their methods, what was good, what was bad, and what inspiration I take from them. Fourth interview will be about you as a person generally. Skills, interests, work ethic etc. You won't do them in that order, that's luck of the draw really, but's it really intense and loving terrifying to be honest. The topics might change from year to year as well, but as best I can remember thats what we talked about. The best advice I can give is be really loving hot on your subject and the wider applications of it, especially in healthcare. Knowing some case studies will really help, and make sure you read up on the general workings of the NHS, it's structure, the kind of standards they have/want and practices. If you've got experience of being a leader or manager that really helps, the leadership interview guys for example were really interested in my time on archery club committees. It's tough, but you can't really argue with the salary and training they provide should you get a position. It's the toughest application process I've ever done. Read up as much as you can about it, the NHS website has information available (might take a while to find but it's there) and a lot of the graduate job sites also have information about it too. I got through to the final stage with a predicted 1st in my BSc, so not having an MSc/MRes as well isn't super important but will make it a bit tougher. Good luck! Zveroboy fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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Zveroboy posted:Third interview was about management and leadership skills. I was asked who I considered to be "a great leader" and had to justify their methods, what was good, what was bad, and what inspiration I take from them.
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Zephro posted:Economics is a subject with a massive dose of physics envy. It's basically all maths these days, in which you construct ludicrously simplified cartoon models (they have to be enormously simplified or they'd be computationally intractable) and then attempt to apply them to reality. Also (unless you're working on cold fusion) the universe doesn't change the way it works depending on your model, thereby invalidating the model itself. No wonder they call it the dismal science.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Also (unless you're working on cold fusion) the universe doesn't change the way it works depending on your model, thereby invalidating the model itself. No wonder they call it the dismal science. So no model is perfect, and a perfectly accurate model is useless because it's as complicated as the thing you're trying to simulate. I don't object to economic modelling per se (because what's the alternative? Just throwing our hands up and admitting that the problem is simply too hard?). But I would like a little more humility given that we're blundering around in the dark with only some very rough assumptions to guide us.
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Zephro posted:Who did you pick for this, out of interest? Do they want someone specifically medical or any leader at all? I panicked. My brain said "Hey, you're in a football stadium!" and my mouth blurted out "Sir Alex Ferguson." After 5 minutes they asked me who else was a "great leader" but a contrast to Ferguson, so I came up with Richard Branson. Anyone's game as long as you justify it. I cited Ferguson's achievements with Manchester Utd, being a fan I did at least have some knowledge of his methods and stuff. I chose Branson as a contrast because, while Ferguson focused solely on the football, Branson does a lot of a different things. I blagged it 
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Fair enough! I might have gone with Archie Cochrane (who is awesome, and also a medic). He's one of the people who dragged medicine kicking and screaming from being an artisanal black art based on reputation and hearsay and turned it into a science based on evidence and experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_Cochrane I sometimes wonder if I should start a campaign for a statue of him.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Also (unless you're working on cold fusion) the universe doesn't change the way it works depending on your model, thereby invalidating the model itself. No wonder they call it the dismal science. On a tangent here, but economics is called the dismal science because it refused to support slavery when you fed the numbers in. It should wear that badge with pride and remember that Adam Smith was a moral philosopher.
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Zephro posted:Fair enough! I might have gone with Archie Cochrane (who is awesome, and also a medic). He's one of the people who dragged medicine kicking and screaming from being an artisanal black art based on reputation and hearsay and turned it into a science based on evidence and experiment: I was asked to come up with two leaders I admired for a course I was on (and give presentations about them) and came up with Clement Attlee and George Lansbury. One instituted a welfare state and the NHS in a shattered country while having to cope with some of the most monstrous egos in politics and Lansbury went to prison, along with the rest of Poplar Council, to defend what was right. The person before me picked Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher.
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neonchameleon posted:On a tangent here, but economics is called the dismal science because it refused to support slavery when you fed the numbers in. It should wear that badge with pride and remember that Adam Smith was a moral philosopher. quote:How selfish soever man may be supposed, there are evidently some principles in his nature, which interest him in the fortune of others, and render their happiness necessary to him, though he derives nothing from it except the pleasure of seeing it. quote:Servants, labourers and workmen of different kinds, make up the far greater part of every great political society. But what improves the circumstances of the greater part can never be regarded as an inconvenience to the whole. No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable. It is but equity, besides, that they who feed, clothe and lodge the whole body of the people, should have such a share of the produce of their own labour as to be themselves tolerably well fed, cloathed and lodged. quote:Our merchants and masters complain much of the bad effects of high wages in raising the price and lessening the sale of goods. They say nothing concerning the bad effects of high profits. They are silent with regard to the pernicious effects of their own gains. They complain only of those of other people.”
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I was asked to come up with two leaders I admired for a course I was on (and give presentations about them) and came up with Clement Attlee and George Lansbury. One instituted a welfare state and the NHS in a shattered country while having to cope with some of the most monstrous egos in politics and Lansbury went to prison, along with the rest of Poplar Council, to defend what was right.
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wage inflation 1.8%, cpi inflation 1.0%. bask in your wealth.
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LemonDrizzle posted:wage inflation 1.8%, cpi inflation 1.0%. bask in your wealth.
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Zephro posted:How did your presentation go down? Pretty well. Unsurprisingly almost nobody had heard of Lansbury (although most had heard of his granddaughter at least), but depressingly few of them had even heard of dear old Clem. Everyone seemed genuinely impressed with the tale of the Poplar Rates Rebellion though, it's a great story that really deserves to be better-known (and not just by lunatic American Tea Party types who, bizarrely, are trying to claim it as their very own) To be honest until I researched it I'd not realised just how hard Attlee had to work to keep the rest of the Cabinet in check, to have achieved what he did when he did with absolute harmony in his team would have been amazing, but that ministry made the current Tory Party look like a Buddhist monastery.
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Zephro posted:Most of the right wingers who cite Adam Smith would be amazed if they'd actually read some of what he wrote. I've actually been very tempted to knock up a simple website called "what your hero said" with a picture and a fully attributed quote or two on each page Like Churchill's thoughts on gassing uncivilised tribes for instance. Just a simple go-to website to link the fawning fanboys Given this thread has something of an obsession with building up a hero and then finding one thing to make him history's greatest monster, I reckon such a site could fill out quite nicely
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KKKlean Energy posted:I've actually been very tempted to knock up a simple website called "what your hero said" with a picture and a fully attributed quote or two on each page Please do this, this is amazing.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:but that ministry made the current Tory Party look like a Buddhist monastery. 
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Pretty well. Unsurprisingly almost nobody had heard of Lansbury (although most had heard of his granddaughter at least), but depressingly few of them had even heard of dear old Clem. Everyone seemed genuinely impressed with the tale of the Poplar Rates Rebellion though, it's a great story that really deserves to be better-known (and not just by lunatic American Tea Party types who, bizarrely, are trying to claim it as their very own)
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Lord of the Llamas posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30908938 Labour were to blame for the Iraq War, so given that I don't want another Tory government I'm happy for the report to be delayed.
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Zephro posted:People hadn't heard of Clement Attlee? What kind of people are we talking about here? That's bizarre. Management trainees, most of them in their twenties, 50/50 split between technical specialists and media types. Make of that what you will, but my history education - along, I suspect, with most of my generation - ended at 1945, with a quick "Oh yeah then we gave up the Empire aren't we nice The End" coda to it.
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Zephro posted:People hadn't heard of Clement Attlee? What kind of people are we talking about here? That's bizarre. He's rarely brought up in popular culture the same way Churchill or Thatcher are.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Management trainees, most of them in their twenties, 50/50 split between technical specialists and media types. Make of that what you will, but my history education - along, I suspect, with most of my generation - ended at 1945, with a quick "Oh yeah then we gave up the Empire aren't we nice The End" coda to it.
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Jedit posted:Labour were to blame for the Iraq War, so given that I don't want another Tory government I'm happy for the report to be delayed. The Tory party fully supported it.
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Zephro posted:I knew it, heh. Kill all management trainees. I don't think you can really blame them (the course was specifically for people like me who were moving up form shop floor roles, so "management trainee" probably has a slightly different connotation in that context). Like I say my GCSE History course ended at 1945. I only knew about Lansbury through the local history classes I did at primary school - growing up in the East End means local history really is the history of class struggles, starting with Booth and Charrington, via the Dockers Tanner and Match Girl Strikes, the Rates Rebellion and the Battle of Cable Street all the way through to Blitz and the closure of the docks - not much else has ever happened here that *isn't* the poor getting hosed over and occasionally fighting back.
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thehustler posted:Please do this, this is amazing. Alright i'll knock something up in a bit
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