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In It For The Tank posted:Okay, the sample chapters for TWOW should be accessible here. Oh wow cheers for that, had no idea there were so many out.
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Many thanks.
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Jan 21, 2015 11:07
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Vitamin P posted:Oh wow cheers for that, had no idea there were so many out. Get ready for 40 pages of Arianna riding a horse!
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Jan 21, 2015 11:57
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Irish Joe posted:Get ready for 40 pages of Arianna riding a horse! Is that what we're calling Aegon now?
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Jan 21, 2015 14:29
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Jan 21, 2015 19:00
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Way too attractive. Not my adaptation!
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Grendels Dad posted:Way too attractive. Not my adaptation! Have I got the website for you. 
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Jan 21, 2015 19:05
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He forgot the saggy breasts. Never forget the saggy breasts.
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Jan 21, 2015 19:21
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It's still kind of weird to me that after saying No Flashbacks for four seasons they decided that Maggy the Frog is the first one that they're going to include.
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Especially when the valonqar prophecy is so superfluous is in fueling Cersei's paranoia. Even the first time reading the books I thought that it was so clearly not originally planned.
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In It For The Tank posted:Especially when the valonqar prophecy is so superfluous is in fueling Cersei's paranoia. Even the first time reading the books I thought that it was so clearly not originally planned. Everything she does makes sense without the prophesy. It's only there because of GRRM's addiction to bloating his series with dumb prophesies.
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The one cool thing about it is that it'll be nicely ironic when either Jaime or Tommen kills her.
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In It For The Tank posted:Especially when the valonqar prophecy is so superfluous is in fueling Cersei's paranoia. Even the first time reading the books I thought that it was so clearly not originally planned. That wasn't the only part of the prophecy that'd help set up for Cersei's arc, though. The part of it involving Margaery is more immediately important.
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Jan 21, 2015 21:03
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I'll be curious if the show changes up the wording to make it a little more obvious.
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Jan 21, 2015 21:46
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"Your brother will kill you"
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bobjr posted:"Your brother will kill you" "And it will be mildly ironic and unexpected! Trying to prevent it will probably cause it."
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Steve2911 posted:"And it will be mildly ironic and unexpected! Trying to prevent it will probably cause it." "Why yes, I did study at the Greek School of Prophecy and Premonition. Why do you ask?"
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Jan 21, 2015 22:38
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cersei is going to be eaten by a dragon. Probably one of the younger ones.
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Trudis posted:Probably one of the younger ones. But they were all born at the same time?
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I think the top contenders for the valonqar are: Tyrion 3:1 Jaime 3:1 Sandor Clegane 5:1 Danaerys 7:1 Arya 15:1 Jon Snow 30:1 Aegon 50:1 Other 100:1
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lifts cats over head posted:I think the top contenders for the valonqar are: Is "Other" a catch all for someone not listed here or an actual Other? Odds are probably about the same either way.
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lifts cats over head posted:I think the top contenders for the valonqar are: The fact that Valyrian has no gender has to be relevant, and introducing that fact while discussing the OTHER prophecy is such an obvious bait-and-switch that it has to be a woman to kill her
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Do we know that Valyrian has no gendered nouns whatsoever? I thought it was just the word for "prince".
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There is literally no way Jaime doesn't strangle Cersei to death while saying "The things I do for love".loquacius posted:Do we know that Valyrian has no gendered nouns whatsoever? I thought it was just the word for "prince". TWOIAF specifically debunks the misconception caused by Aemon's delirious ramblings about erroneous translations. There is no reason to think valonqar is gender neutral.
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In It For The Tank posted:There is literally no way Jaime doesn't strangle Cersei to death while saying "The things I do for love". Even taena says little brother not little sibling, though I didn't think the aa or the Prince that was promised. prophecy referenced gender at all since they're both translated from valyrian.
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Grendels Dad posted:He forgot the saggy breasts. Never forget the saggy breasts. Granted, Maggy not being a grotesque monster further plays into that Cersei POV paranoia. That's kinda a meta-casting though, I suppose.
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lifts cats over head posted:I think the top contenders for the valonqar are: 5:1 Salladhor Saan. Dudes short and a brother.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:5:1 Salladhor Saan. Dudes short and a brother. And he does have a thing for Cersei. Although I can't recall if that was a show-only bit of dialogue. Either way I'm on board with the Salladhor Saan=Volanqar theory.
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my money is on the valonqar not happening and eventually cersei dies of a blood clot or tuberculosis or something.
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My money is on Val. Once it's revealed that her last name is "Onqar".
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In It For The Tank posted:There is literally no way Jaime doesn't strangle Cersei to death while saying "The things I do for love". What part, out of curiosity? I got TWOIAF for Christmas and tore through it in a couple days but I don't remember this part.
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In It For The Tank posted:There is literally no way Jaime doesn't strangle Cersei to death while saying "The things I do for love". Jaime being the valonqar is like Lyanna being Jon Snow's mom in that if it ends up not being the case, it still would've been better than whatever Martin/the showrunners come up with instead
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loquacius posted:What part, out of curiosity? I got TWOIAF for Christmas and tore through it in a couple days but I don't remember this part. Here: quote:The belief that dragons could change sex at need is erroneous, according to Maester Anson’s Truth, rooted in a misunderstanding of the esoteric metaphor that Barth preferred when discussing the higher mysteries. And here's the quote from Aemon in AFFC that people always point to suggest Valyrian is gender neutral: quote:What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years
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So one maester thinks another one is wrong. Awoiaf also talks about how great Robert Baratheon and Joffrey are. Denies the existence of the others(saying they were probably just tough wildling raiders,) as well as skinchangers, and a myriad of things we know exist.
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In-universe, yes. But from a meta perspective that section was included for a reason, and the paragraph specifically shits on Aemon's interpretation. This is beside the point that we know dragons have gender based on the presence of explicitly gendered dragons in TPATQ and TRP, so we know that Barth's writings have to be taken metaphorically. (And besides that we know Aemon is completely wrong, since he concludes that Dany is the TPTWP when it's actually Jon).
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In It For The Tank posted:(And besides that we know Aemon is completely wrong, since he concludes that Dany is the TPTWP when it's actually Jaime).
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In It For The Tank posted:(And besides that we know Aemon is completely wrong, since he concludes that Dany is the TPTWP when it's actually Jon). We know Jon is Azor Ahai, but I'm not totally convinced that Azor Ahai and TPTWP are the same person.
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Mortabis posted:We know Jon is Azor Ahai, but I'm not totally convinced that Azor Ahai and TPTWP are the same person. I actually think doubt only exists the other way round: i.e. Jon is definitely the Prince that Was Promised but might not be AA (assuming they are different characters and not just variations on the same legend). I believe they are one in the same, but I can understand why someone might think otherwise.
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quote:Gorghon of Old Ghis once wrote that a prophecy is like a treacherous woman. She takes your member in her mouth, and you moan with the pleasure of it and think, how sweet, how fine, how good this is...and then her teeth snap shut and your moans turn to screams. That is the nature of prophecy, said Gorghan. Prophecy will bite your prick off every time.
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