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The Warszawa: Jun 6, 2005; Look at me. Look at me.

I am the captain now.

evilweasel posted:

If you go back and read the initial discussion my argument is more on that people should understand where the popular support for charter schools comes from and that people here are too quick to dismiss why people might support them. I don't think that charter schools are the answer. I do, however, think that people who are attacking charter school supporters are generally missing why people believe what they do on charter schools and as a result won't ever convince anyone and will not understand how best to advocate for fixing the public school system instead.

For what it's worth, I'm not sure the people pushing charter schools understand where the popular support for charter schools comes from, either, as that piece on Campbell Brown in NYMag illustrates.

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

The Warszawa posted:

For what it's worth, I'm not sure the people pushing charter schools understand where the popular support for charter schools comes from, either, as that piece on Campbell Brown in NYMag illustrates.

Yeah but the enemy of my enemy is my friend, which in this case is a secret backroom conspiracy to both bust one of the last powerful unions in the country and dismantle the only really socialist program this nation has.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 18:03

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

zoux posted:

Yeah but the enemy of my enemy is my friend, which in this case is a secret backroom conspiracy to both bust one of the last powerful unions in the country and dismantle the only really socialist program this nation has.

It leads to quotes like this too:

quote:

For the naysayers, remember we already have school choice in Texas. If you�re rich enough you send your children to private school � if you�re mobile enough you move to the suburbs for a good school but if you�re one of the working poor in our inner cities, you don�t have money for private school, and you can�t move to the suburbs for a better school because you rely on the bus to get to work.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 18:09

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Trabisnikof posted:

It leads to quotes like this too:

I mean Patrick is correct there but the solution isn't to gut the public education system it's to lavish money and resources on it.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 18:10

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Apparently GOP responses to the SOTU had 'modified' meanings in English and Spanish:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republican-sotu-responses-get-lost-translation

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For the third consecutive year, the Republican Party�s official response to the State of the Union was actually split in two: one in English and one in Spanish.

In theory, this was supposed to be simple. Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) would deliver a carefully crafted GOP response to President Obama�s speech, while Rep Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.) would deliver the identical speech in Spanish. What could possibly go wrong?

Well, it�s a funny story.

The potential pitfall was the disagreement between Ernst and Curbelo about immigration reform. The right-wing Iowan is a fierce opponent of immigration reform � under the circumstances, it was ironic her speech was being delivered in two languages since she�s an English-only supporter � while the Florida Republican has actually criticized his party for blocking bipartisan solutions.

The disagreement created uncertainty: how would Republicans deal with one of the nation�s most pressing issues when their two official speakers are on opposite sides? As it turned out, they�d deal with it in the most cynical way possible. Politico was one of many outlets to notice:
Republicans sent mixed signals on immigration in their two official rebuttals to President Obama Tuesday night: Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst�s rebuttal made no mention of the topic, but the Spanish-language version of the rebuttal, delivered by Florida Rep. Carlos Curbelo, said Republicans wanted to work with Obama to fix the immigration system.

�We should also work through the appropriate channels to create permanent solutions for our immigration system, to secure our borders, modernize legal immigration, and strengthen our economy,� said Curbelo in Spanish. �In the past, the president has expressed support for ideas like these. Now we ask him to cooperate with us to get it done.�
If Republican officials had said the two lawmakers intended to give different speeches, this might be less of an issue, but they actually said the opposite.

Indeed, House Republicans specifically told reporters, in writing, that Curbelo would deliver �the Spanish-Language translated address of Sen. Joni Ernst response.� He�d have to change personal details such as his own name, but otherwise, it was supposed to be the same speech.

Ernst, however, never mentioned immigration at all, while Curbelo devoted a paragraph to the issue. An English-speaking audience heard Republicans overlook immigration, while a Spanish-speaking audience was led to believe GOP lawmakers actually want to pass immigration reform. (They don�t.)

Republicans must have known they�d get caught trying to pull a fast one, but based on their response to the Washington Post, the party doesn�t much care.
Ernst and her aides weren�t available for comment and had declined to speak earlier in the day about her speech. But top Republican aides defended their decision to use different spokespeople to shape the same general narrative.

�As in previous years� State of the Union responses, Senator Ernst (R-Iowa) and Congressman Curbelo (R-Fla.) spoke of the GOP vision of commonsense solutions and greater opportunity for everyone in this country � framed by their unique stories and experiences,� Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), said in an email.
If this trick sounds vaguely familiar, it�s because we�ve seen the GOP try it before. About three years ago, we learned that Sen. Dean Heller (R) of Nevada created a campaign website with a separate, Spanish-language version. On the English-language version, the Republican condemned �amnesty� and �illegal immigrants,� while on the Spanish-language version, Heller conveniently forgot to include the same message.

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fool of sound: Oct 10, 2012

CommieGIR posted:

Apparently GOP responses to the SOTU had 'modified' meanings in English and Spanish:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republican-sotu-responses-get-lost-translation

I wonder if there's an appreciable number of Spanish-language viewers that consume enough news to care about SOTU responses, but not enough to find out that the Spanish language speech is substantially different. It seems to me that people you're translating for are only going to be alienated by blatant insincerity.

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MothraAttack: Apr 28, 2008

So this is a bit odd, right? Georgia governor abruptly skips town for a secret trade meeting?

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/01/21/nathan-deals-mysterious-overseas-adventure/#__federated=1

# ? Jan 21, 2015 18:50

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

MothraAttack posted:

So this is a bit odd, right? Georgia governor abruptly skips town for a secret trade meeting?

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/01/21/nathan-deals-mysterious-overseas-adventure/#__federated=1

Southern governors disappearing to foreign countries with no forewarning? What could go wrong?

E: Also, whoa Brian Williams is doing the Nightly News from Cuba tonight.

zoux fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Jan 21, 2015

# ? Jan 21, 2015 18:54

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001; Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

zoux posted:

Southern governors disappearing to foreign countries with no forewarning? What could go wrong?

E: Also, whoa Brian Williams is doing the Nightly News from Cuba tonight.

I hear the Appalachian Trail is quite nice this time of year.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 18:59

The Aardvark: Aug 19, 2013

CommieGIR posted:

Apparently GOP responses to the SOTU had 'modified' meanings in English and Spanish:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republican-sotu-responses-get-lost-translation

And the lovely thing about it is that people like my Great Aunt will gobble this poo poo up and say that the Spanish version doesn't matter at all because if they understand Spanish, they must be illegals or in cahoots with illegals.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:16

boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

MothraAttack posted:

So this is a bit odd, right? Georgia governor abruptly skips town for a secret trade meeting?

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/01/21/nathan-deals-mysterious-overseas-adventure/#__federated=1

Deal is one of the most corrupt motherfuckers in the game, so this is no suprise.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:19

Shageletic: Jul 25, 2007

In my continuing series of loving hating individual states for their stupid racism, anyone here happen to know why Oregon is founded?

http://gizmodo.com/oregon-was-founded-as-a-racist-utopia-1539567040

Yeah...

Snippets

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When Oregon was granted statehood in 1859, it was the only state in the Union admitted with a constitution that forbade black people from living, working, or owning property there. It was illegal for black people even to move to the state until 1926. Oregon's founding is part of the forgotten history of racism in the American west.

Waddles Coffee Shop in Portland, Oregon was a popular restaurant in the 1950s for both locals and travelers alike. The drive-in catered to America's postwar obsession with car culture, allowing people to get coffee and a slice of pie without even leaving their vehicle. But if you happened to be black, the owners of Waddles implored you to keep on driving. The restaurant had a sign outside with a very clear message: "White Trade Only � Please."

It's the kind of scene from the 1950s that's so hard for many Americans to imagine happening outside of the Jim Crow South. How could a progressive, northern city like Portland have allowed a restaurant to exclude non-white patrons? This had to be an anomaly, right? In reality it was far too common in Oregon, a state that was explicitly founded as a kind of white utopia.

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Today, while 13 percent of Americans are black, just 2 percent of Oregon's population is black. This is not some accident of history. It's a product of oppressive laws and everyday actions that deliberately excluded non-white people from a fair shot at living a life without additional obstacles being put in their way.

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Even before it was a state, those in power in Oregon were trying to keep out non-white people. In the summer of 1844, for example, the Legislative Committee passed a provision that said any free black people who were in the state would be subject to flogging if they didn't leave within two years. The floggings were supposed to continue every six months until they left the territory. That provision was revised in December of 1845 to removed the flogging part. Instead, free black people who remained would be offered up "publicly for hire" to any white person who would remove them from the territory.

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The constitution was put to a popular vote in the state in 1857 and included two referendums that were to be voted on independently. The first was whether they should reject slavery. Roughly 75 percent of voters opted to reject the adoption of slavery. The second measure was whether or not to exclude black people from the state. About 89 percent of voters cast their vote in favor of excluding black and mixed race people from the state. And thus, the exclusionary aspects of the state constitution were adopted.

The resulting Article 1, Section 35 of the Oregon state constitution:

No free negro, or mulatto, not residing in this State at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall come, reside, or be within this State, or hold any real estate, or make any contracts, or maintain any suit therein; and the Legislative Assembly shall provide by penal laws, for the removal, by public officers, of all such negroes, and mulattoes, and for their effectual exclusion from the State, and for the punishment of persons who shall bring them into the state, or employ, or harbor them.

The voters who overwhelmingly embraced this exclusion rationalized it not as blind hate, but as a progressive move that was simply keeping their new land "pure." Utopia often means starting from scratch, and just as often it means excluding undesirables.

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it wouldn't be until 1973 (and with very little fanfare) that activists would get the state to ratify the Fourteenth Amendment yet again.

That's some pretty impressive racism right there.

Next on the plate: gently caress you already, Delaware.

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Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Venom Snake posted:

Well if the price of Oil keeps dropping we might not have to wait to long.

Saudi Arabia can survive an oil price crash. Most US companies can't. That's why they're ramping up production to try and force a crash. You can even find the "low oil prices is good for you now BUT THE ECONOMY OH GOD WE'RE ALL hosed :supaburn:

" horseshit in the news already.

Perry's getting out of office early enough that he'll be able to dodge most/all claims of Texas being hosed in the future by pointing out how totally awesome things were under him so I guess the next guy hosed it up for you people. I hope when Texas starts to crumble that Austin's tech companies move to the East Coast if they don't go back to their previous locations instead.

Venom Snake posted:

Doesn't seem all that creepy to me

If those things are like mud puppies then what you see is a small slippery demon.

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zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Texas is going to be fine, but hot, insightful take none the less.

I mean relatively fine, economically, for white people. The status quo will remain unchanged.

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Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

effectual posted:

Well in a sense it is selfish; why don't they advocate to improve the local school instead of just building another semi-private one for the middle class kids?

That's what parents want to happen. Even a majority of minorities want that.

It's only in the Land of False Dichotomies, in which parents are given the non-choice of "keep your public school but we'll continue to starve the beast" vs. "throw buttloads of taxpayer money to private corps. to teach your kids" that charter schools might have the edge in public opinion.

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i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

It's interesting that rich, rural whites are more supportive of public schools than anyone else. I guess they've got the best public schools, so makes sense.

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Gounads: Mar 13, 2013; Where am I?
How did I get here?

Ask non-parents, which statement do you agree more:

"I would prefer to increase education spending by $x to have good quality public schools"
"I would prefer to keep education spending the same and try adding charter schools"

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:32

Jerry Manderbilt: May 31, 2012; No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

Shageletic posted:

In my continuing series of loving hating individual states for their stupid racism, anyone here happen to know why Oregon is founded?

http://gizmodo.com/oregon-was-founded-as-a-racist-utopia-1539567040

Yeah...

Snippets

That's some pretty impressive racism right there.

Next on the plate: gently caress you already, Delaware.

Oregon was also one of the states where the 1920s Klan was the strongest, right?

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:33

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

I think that poor minorities are used to being completely failed by government so when given the choice between "hey maybe the legislature will fix your school at some point in the next, oh 50 years maybe" and "if this plan passes next year you will have a check in your pocket to send your kids to a private school where they will learn and be safe", what would you choose.

KIPP academies, which are the charter model that the GOP is going to be trotting out because they are really good schools, serve 95% minority and 88% free-and-reduced lunch students.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:35

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Aliquid posted:

It's interesting that rich, rural whites are more supportive of public schools than anyone else. I guess they've got the best public schools, so makes sense.

"Without question, the No. 1 factor that makes a great education system is great teachers. We have great teachers. I'd pay them more." ~ Mitt Romney, Monday.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:36

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

Gounads posted:

Ask non-parents, which statement do you agree more:

"I would prefer to increase education spending by $x to have good quality public schools"
"I would prefer to keep education spending the same and try adding charter schools"

I don't know anyone who isn't a parent and agrees with the charter schools thing which makes sense because the city passed a bond issue last November for funding improvements to public schools in "those" parts of town (I.e. the town part of town rather than the sticks).

Holy gently caress though, I got some racist-rear end canine pipe organ of a flyer stuck in my screen door during the campaign. I took a picture of it and should dig it up, it's Atwater as all hell.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:37

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Willa Rogers posted:

That's what parents want to happen. Even a majority of minorities want that.

It's only in the Land of False Dichotomies, in which parents are given the non-choice of "keep your public school but we'll continue to starve the beast" vs. "throw buttloads of taxpayer money to private corps. to teach your kids" that charter schools might have the edge in public opinion.

People want good public schools, but they support charters / vouchers because they think they aren't getting them. When asked specifically about the D.C. school voucher system in 2011 68% of D.C. residents (the most liberal and blackest "state" in the union) supported vouchers. It was something like 3/4 when you only polled people with school age children. I'm not in favor of vouchers at all, but you're misdiagnosing the source of their support when you view it exclusively through the lens of corporate critique.

It's not a false choice for most parents who think that there is no way to fix schools before their kid graduates. I think you are missing the point that people are making about why charters are popular among even people who want strong public schools. Most parents want to feel more in control of their kid's education and that they are doing the best they can. Most people are not willing to sacrifice their kid's education at the alter of ideology. If you are misunderstanding the cause of this and seeing this issue as an exclusively elite venture, you're not going to be able to see why it has the support it does and from where.

zoux posted:

I think that poor minorities are used to being completely failed by government so when given the choice between "hey maybe the legislature will fix your school at some point in the next, oh 50 years maybe" and "if this plan passes next year you will have a check in your pocket to send your kids to a private school where they will learn and be safe", what would you choose.

KIPP academies, which are the charter model that the GOP is going to be trotting out because they are really good schools, serve 95% minority and 88% free-and-reduced lunch students.

Basically, this.

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Alkydere: Jun 7, 2010; Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.

Evil Fluffy posted:

Perry's getting out of office early enough that he'll be able to dodge most/all claims of Texas being hosed in the future by pointing out how totally awesome things were under him so I guess the next guy hosed it up for you people. I hope when Texas starts to crumble that Austin's tech companies move to the East Coast if they don't go back to their previous locations instead.

You know what, that just made me feel even better about the oil crash. I get cheap gas (seriously saw a station selling it at $1.69/gal last weekend), people stop messing up the nation with new fracking, oh and now that Perry skipped town to get humiliated on the national circuit (again) we get to blame ALL of the oil woes on Abbot. After all, with much of the nation blaming Obama for the 2008 economic bust it means that the moment a public candidate is elected all woes are his fault. It doesn't matter if they were blatantly caused by his predecessor, or that he wasn't officially signed into office for months after the event: the moment you're voted in ALL issues are now your fault.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:40

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Alkydere posted:

You know what, that just made me feel even better about the oil crash. I get cheap gas (seriously saw a station selling it at $1.69/gal last weekend), people stop messing up the nation with new fracking, oh and now that Perry skipped town to get humiliated on the national circuit (again) we get to blame ALL of the oil woes on Abbot. After all, with much of the nation blaming Obama for the 2008 economic bust it means that the moment a public candidate is elected all woes are his fault. It doesn't matter if they were blatantly caused by his predecessor, or that he wasn't officially signed into office for months after the event: the moment you're voted in ALL issues are now your fault.

Yeah it's kind of like how last year when everyone could demonstrably link the super bad economic problems to Sam Brownback in Kansas, and there was tons of press about it and even republicans came out and said how Brownback had tanked the state economy and the blame totally stuck to him and he didn't get re-elected.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:43

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Joementum posted:

"Without question, the No. 1 factor that makes a great education system is great teachers. We have great teachers. I'd pay them more." ~ Mitt Romney, Monday.

How many months do you think until Mitt gives lip service to full communism?

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:44

SubponticatePoster: Aug 9, 2004; Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.; Slippery Tilde

Joementum posted:

"Without question, the No. 1 factor that makes a great education system is great teachers. We have great teachers. I'd pay them more." ~ Mitt Romney, Monday.

Hmm, how long before this new OS conflicts with his base programming and causes him to BSOD?

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:49

Venom Snake: Feb 19, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

Raskolnikov38 posted:

How many months do you think until Mitt gives lip service to full communism?

Mitt would become an unironic leftist if it would win him the election.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:50

Good Citizen: Aug 12, 2008; trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

Romney rushed to the left so fast after his primary that he blew out the brakes and just kept going

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:50

FilthyImp: Sep 30, 2002; Anime Deviant

It should be interesting to note that Los Angeles has a Zone of Choice program for some of its more overpopulated high schools, allowing for access to one of several schools if a student lives within a geographic boundary. This, coupled with the trend to create Small Learning Communities (academies within larger schools, basically), or Pilot schools (programs with greater autonomy than regular public schools), gives students a bit more choice.

I mean, it's largely packaged as "Attend school with Multimedia/performing arts/science/etc" focus, as opposed to "take all the multimedia/performing arts/science/etc classes I can at a huge comprehensive high school", but it's a rather neat example of cutting back on that CHARTER CHOICE poo poo.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

How many months do you think until Mitt gives lip service to full communism?

How long was it until Bush put the Compassion into "compassionate conservative" again?

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Venom Snake: Feb 19, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

I look forward to Communist Party Organizer Mitt Romneys run in the Republican primary alongside "Capitalism and trade solves nothing" - Narco Rubens

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:54

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

SubponticatePoster posted:

Hmm, how long before this new OS conflicts with his base programming and causes him to BSOD?

In the article he mentions that it's the teachers unions that are stopping pay raises. He's heightening the internal contradictions.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 19:58

FilthyImp: Sep 30, 2002; Anime Deviant

Joementum posted:

In the article he mentions that it's the teachers unions that are stopping pay raises. He's heightening the internal contradictions.

In a kind of stupid way that may be right, technically.

LA's union wanted a 10%ish raise to make up for the years of frozen wages, stagnant COL adjustments, and the across the board paycut that teachers took during the Great Recession.

The district threw them 2% retroactive, 2% this year, 2% next year. They argued that a raise that severe would trigger matching clauses in some of the other union contracts and would gently caress the budget further.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 20:02

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

Oregon was also one of the states where the 1920s Klan was the strongest, right?

Heavily. And based on the treatment of minorities (mostly Latinos) today, that sentiment hasn't really gone away as much as residents (even "the good ones" in the western part of the state) would like to hope.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 20:22

hangedman1984: Jul 25, 2012

MothraAttack posted:

So this is a bit odd, right? Georgia governor abruptly skips town for a secret trade meeting?

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/01/21/nathan-deals-mysterious-overseas-adventure/#__federated=1

Deal is like the platonic ideal of corruption

# ? Jan 21, 2015 20:46

berzerker: Aug 18, 2004; "If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all."

Joementum posted:

"Without question, the No. 1 factor that makes a great education system is great teachers. We have great teachers. I'd pay them more." ~ Mitt Romney, Monday.

He's wrong, though. The No. 1 factor that makes a great education system, by an order of magnitude, is parents interested in their kids' educations and having acquired high levels of education themselves. Teachers are important, but there's limited amounts they can do. You're actually better off being a top student in a crappy school than a good student in a top school, in terms of getting opportunities later and thereby achieving more.

http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic741392.files/BigFish.pdf
http://www.researchgate.net/profile...9e3a6000000.pdf

# ? Jan 21, 2015 20:55

Alec Bald Snatch: Sep 12, 2012; by exmarx

Aliquid posted:

It's interesting that rich, rural whites are more supportive of public schools than anyone else. I guess they've got the best public schools, so makes sense.

Well their private options, if they even exist, tend to be unaccredited Dominionist madrassas.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 21:02

lookoutbelow: Mar 3, 2004

Joementum posted:

"Without question, the No. 1 factor that makes a great education system is great teachers. We have great teachers. I'd pay them more." ~ Mitt Romney, Monday.

*wipes tears from eyes, waits for sides to stop hurting*

# ? Jan 21, 2015 21:04

ElegantFugue: Jun 5, 2012

Shageletic posted:

That's some pretty impressive racism right there.

Next on the plate: gently caress you already, Delaware.

Speaking as a DE resident, I'm sure that this will be magical :allears:

# ? Jan 21, 2015 21:51

baw: Nov 5, 2008; RESIDENT: LAISSEZ FAIR-SNEZHNEVSKY INSTITUTE FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY

So there were some differences between Ernt's address and the Spanish translation.

# ? Jan 21, 2015 21:53

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got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

zoux posted:

I think that poor minorities are used to being completely failed by government so when given the choice between "hey maybe the legislature will fix your school at some point in the next, oh 50 years maybe" and "if this plan passes next year you will have a check in your pocket to send your kids to a private school where they will learn and be safe", what would you choose.

KIPP academies, which are the charter model that the GOP is going to be trotting out because they are really good schools, serve 95% minority and 88% free-and-reduced lunch students.

So why does the gop like kipp schools? Gets the blaugh people out of public schools?

# ? Jan 21, 2015 21:54

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