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Frostwerks
Sep 24, 2007

by Lowtax
Don't say that. Or She'll be among us.

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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Guys guys I found Gondolin east of the Khyber Pass.

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'

PittTheElder posted:

That seems about right. But I'll bet the blunt force that would still transfer would hurt like a son of a bitch.

Undoubtedly, but that's what the leather padding and such below is for, to spread the remaining force over a larger area. Like bulletproof vests.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
You mean linen or cotton padding.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

JaucheCharly posted:

You mean linen or cotton padding.

It depends on the time period really. Linen or cotton were used throughout history, but leather gambesons and chainmail were regularly used as well. In the early periods it was intended to supplement the armor, while in the latter periods it was intended to provide a light alternative to the armor.

Otteration
Jan 4, 2014

I CAN'T SAY PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP'S NAME BECAUSE HE'S LIKE THAT GUY FROM HARRY POTTER AND I'M AFRAID I'LL SUMMON HIM. DONALD JOHN TRUMP. YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT.
OUR 47TH PRESIDENT AFTER THE ONE WHO SHOWERS WITH HIS DAUGHTER DIES
Grimey Drawer
Ancient Roman stuff: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/21/science/more-progress-made-toward-learning-contents-of-herculaneum-scrolls.html?_r=0

Hemp Knight
Sep 26, 2004

Beat me to it, you bastard!

Octy
Apr 1, 2010


quote:

Though the hot gases did not burn the many papyrus rolls in the villa’s library, they turned them into cylinders of carbonized plant material. Many attempts have been made to unroll the carbonized scrolls since they were excavated in 1752. But all were highly destructive, and scholars eventually decided to leave the scrolls alone in the hope that better methods would be invented. More than 300 scrolls survive more or less intact, with many more fragments.

I'm curious to know just how many scrolls were destroyed in an effort to read their contents. Oh well, I look forward to the publication of some of these scrolls in the next decade or so, because if we're going to be realistic that's probably the minimum timeframe here. :(

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Octy posted:

I'm curious to know just how many scrolls were destroyed in an effort to read their contents. Oh well, I look forward to the publication of some of these scrolls in the next decade or so, because if we're going to be realistic that's probably the minimum timeframe here. :(

Minimum timeframe is a scroll per couple of decades.

After all, why publish it all at once when you can make your entire career out of dribbling the info out?

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?
How many of them are just fart jokes?

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe
I love the "just leave it for a quarter of a millennium until we can read them" attitude. That's an astounding story of preservation.

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa
tell me more about Three Kingdoms China please because that poo poo is cool and my roommate has been playing a ton of Dynasty Warriors recently so I'm real interested

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Patter Song posted:

I love the "just leave it for a quarter of a millennium until we can read them" attitude. That's an astounding story of preservation.

"I swear to God, Brother Jebediah, if you gently caress up history's chance to read Lives of Famous Whores I will get you kicked out of heaven. :argh:"

Octy
Apr 1, 2010

Tunicate posted:

Minimum timeframe is a scroll per couple of decades.

After all, why publish it all at once when you can make your entire career out of dribbling the info out?

I'm an unemployed ancient history graduate. This is my calling. I'll be on the next plane!

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
armourchat: a few years back (5 or 10 maybe) there was a documentary in the UK about armour, and one of the guys involved had a pretty period accurate suit of plate that he was prepared to use in an historically accurate joust (with a solid oak lance; not the modern plywood poo poo) he took the hit, went flying off his horse, rolled on the ground and got straight up on his feet again. It was pretty impressive.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Come ooonnnnnnn Lives of Famous Whores! :rolldice:

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Pillbug

sullat
Jan 9, 2012
I'm rooting for whores as much as the next guy, but this was from Herculaneum, which predates Suetonius by a couple of decades.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

lol


sullat posted:

I'm rooting for whores as much as the next guy, but this was from Herculaneum, which predates Suetonius by a couple of decades.

gently caress

e: If I die without reading Whores i'm not going to be happy.

pugnax
Oct 10, 2012

Specialization is for insects.

PittTheElder posted:

That's why I think this Game of Thrones fight might be the most realistic fight ever shown on screen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRYM6B7CTs8

Not only does he use his armour to absorb a blow from a cutting weapon, but also falls down and manages to get up without issue. But that just makes it that much worse when most every other fight in GoT is absurdly stupid.

Did you see Ironclad? I thought that was some really well done combat.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

pugnax posted:

Did you see Ironclad? I thought that was some really well done combat.

I think this review series from someone who was almost the movie's historical advisor is rather relevant.

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate

Oberleutnant posted:

Come ooonnnnnnn Lives of Famous Whores! :rolldice:

If we ever find Famous Whores it's going to be such a disappointment.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

I think this review series from someone who was almost the movie's historical advisor is rather relevant.

The idea of Lindy Beige being a historical advisor on anything is kind of upsetting. His arguments all seem to be based on stuff that makes sense to him based to re-enactions and common sense. Which is fine, but a historical advisor should probably be making recommendations based on period sources and actual historical evidence.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


sbaldrick posted:

If we ever find Famous Whores it's going to be such a disappointment.

The only way it couldn't be was if it cooked off a morality scandal when it shows up in bookstores.

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

Ken M is a national treasure.

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

PittTheElder posted:

The idea of Lindy Beige being a historical advisor on anything is kind of upsetting. His arguments all seem to be based on stuff that makes sense to him based to re-enactions and common sense. Which is fine, but a historical advisor should probably be making recommendations based on period sources and actual historical evidence.

I believe he is an archaeologist and historian by training. Compared to many other people I'm sure he could handle the job.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

sbaldrick posted:

If we ever find Famous Whores it's going to be such a disappointment.

It has a single entry, one line long:

"Your mom".

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
If I really want to read an ancient dude calling someone a slut for pages and pages, there's always the Philippicae.

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Halloween Jack posted:

If I really want to read an ancient dude calling someone a slut for pages and pages, there's always the Philippicae.

Calling prostitutes "sluts" seems off.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Ras Het posted:

Calling prostitutes "sluts" seems off.

To be fair, the book probably has far worse in it.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Ras Het posted:

Calling prostitutes "sluts" seems off.
But what else would you expect from Suetonius?

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

A funny little mouse!

PittTheElder posted:

The idea of Lindy Beige being a historical advisor on anything is kind of upsetting. His arguments all seem to be based on stuff that makes sense to him based to re-enactions and common sense. Which is fine, but a historical advisor should probably be making recommendations based on period sources and actual historical evidence.

He should stick to talking about swords, as evidenced by this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPLGh7TvIJA

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

sullat posted:

I'm rooting for whores as much as the next guy, but this was from Herculaneum, which predates Suetonius by a couple of decades.

Ahhhh man.

I want it if only so I can put it on my Christmas list when my family asks me what I want for a present :allears:

ColtMcAsskick
Nov 7, 2010
I hope you guys like epicurean philosophy because that is all those scrolls will end up being :(

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe

ColtMcAsskick posted:

I hope you guys like epicurean philosophy because that is all those scrolls will end up being :(

Eh, that wouldn't be the worst thing. Lucretius was pretty great, a whole bookshelf of unknown Epicureans would be a fine addition. A couple more of Epicurus' actual works would be fantastic.

Hell, even being able to fill in the various missing sections of works we have would be nice. If you're thinking it's a philisophical bookshelf, how about filling in the many blank spots in Cicero's On The Nature Of the Gods?

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
Even if it's stuff we already have, having the manuscripts as they existed in ancient times might be interesting. Less chance of corruption in the process of copying/transmitting this stuff through hundreds of generations of humans.

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

ColtMcAsskick posted:

I hope you guys like epicurean philosophy because that is all those scrolls will end up being :(

To be fair, that's what all historical manuscript finds are like. I remember when the Dead Sea Scrolls were supposed to tell when the world ended or something or tell us about robots in the south pole but all it was was Old Testament books

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
I'd be happy even if they were things like Caesar's laundry list or "Nero's Great Big List of People Who Smell Worse Than Me".

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Smoking Crow posted:

To be fair, that's what all historical manuscript finds are like. I remember when the Dead Sea Scrolls were supposed to tell when the world ended or something or tell us about robots in the south pole but all it was was Old Testament books

lmao if you dont believe jesuit ninjas haven't been stealing and suppressing the important stuff about jesus being a black transexual atheist

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Oberleutnant posted:

lmao if you dont believe jesuit ninjas haven't been stealing and suppressing the important stuff about jesus being a black transexual atheist

Wait, Jesus didn't believe that he himself existed?

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