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Zorglorfian posted:Today's day 1 of Punch out wii, right! So getting that game. I hope the Pikmin series is updated for Wii U (stylus controls perhaps?) I can't decide if I should buy it.  I like punch out and I've played but not finished the wii version, but I already have to many games as is. But playing on the tablet would be so great.
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Darth TNT posted:I can't decide if I should buy it.
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Jan 22, 2015 12:15
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Only games that originally had Classic Controller support will work with the gamepad, so no, you can't play Punch-Out with the gamepad, even though it includes a sideways wiimote control scheme that's entirely button-based.
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Jan 22, 2015 12:22
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Only games that originally had Classic Controller support will work with the gamepad, so no, you can't play Punch-Out with the gamepad, even though it includes a sideways wiimote control scheme that's entirely button-based. I was excited about Wii games on Wii U for a bit but I'm slowly inching towards trying to get it working on Dolphin instead My main complaint about Galaxy 1/2 is that you need to waggle to spin, but you can bind that to a button if you emulate it which makes the game a lot more playable. I own the discs to both anyway.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Only games that originally had Classic Controller support will work with the gamepad, so no, you can't play Punch-Out with the gamepad, even though it includes a sideways wiimote control scheme that's entirely button-based. That makes no sense, what kind of insane Nintendo logic is that.  At least it makes the decision easier.
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Darth TNT posted:That makes no sense, what kind of insane Nintendo logic is that. I generally agree but in this case you had to navigate the menus in Punch-Out with the pointer so I guess that's why. It really would have been nice if they could have had gamepad support by somehow patching in a stick pointer option since Punch-Out is just menus and the pointer is never needed for action or anything precise. Too bad, but I don't really know how hard it would be to accomplish that sort of thing.
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Jan 22, 2015 12:50
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:My main complaint about Galaxy 1/2 is that you need to waggle to spin, but you can bind that to a button if you emulate it which makes the game a lot more playable. I own the discs to both anyway. Mario Galaxy 1/2: Unplayable Garbage.
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Darth TNT posted:That makes no sense, what kind of insane Nintendo logic is that. Until recently the gamepad couldn't be used to do anything in Wii games, punch out was designed with a Nintendo (original) button schema in mind. Which maps to the Wiimote, which everyone had when the game came out on the Wii. It's a Wii game.
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They really shouldn't have announced that some games would support the tablet as a controller, because none of the first wave games actually do, but hell if Nintendo's not the best at creating confusion. I mean, I understand that Iwata as an engineer was excited about the fact they had managed to provide both support for Wii digital titles and some tablet controller compatibility, but you don't announce the latter without anything to show -- you wait for the right moment and in the process avoid causing a bunch of confusion for your customers.
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I thought maybe it was just difficult to control because he was drawing lines where the screen was, so while the screen was scrolling I guess he wasn't anticipating things. But then when the screen wasn't moving he was having difficulty drawing lines to things. I'm in the market for a good play through I don't think I'm going to get this one, it looks nice though.
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Jan 22, 2015 13:53
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I never played Punch Out for Wii, is it good? I never really played the nes or snes games, either.
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Jan 22, 2015 14:35
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SCAT on the Wii U Virtual Console https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4wDe1QvXL0
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I never played Punch Out for Wii, is it good? I never really played the nes or snes games, either. I would say so. I like the NES and Wii versions a lot, never really played the SNES much.
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I never played Punch Out for Wii, is it good? I never really played the nes or snes games, either. In my opinion it's one of the best games for the system. There's an incredible amount of detail and love put into the character presentation and animation, and the gameplay is essentially the same as that from the NES, but refined to the nth degree. If you weren't a fan of previous games in the series, you probably wouldn't enjoy it, but the game oozes style and charm.
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:I never played Punch Out for Wii, is it good? I never really played the nes or snes games, either. The game looks like a fighting game but it's more like a heavily reaction-based puzzle game; it's all about reading tells and reacting appropriately to them, and figuring out what attacks you can do and when in order to land star punches for big damage. It's a really loving hard game at first since you go in without any of that knowledge. It's fun but you have to be willing to get your rear end handed to you a lot until you figure out each enemy. Of course, once you do figure out how to beat each boxer, you'll be able to blast through the game every time and it becomes more about speed and efficiency than simply clearing it.
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RyokoTK posted:The game looks like a fighting game but it's more like a heavily reaction-based puzzle game; it's all about reading tells and reacting appropriately to them, and figuring out what attacks you can do and when in order to land star punches for big damage. It's a really loving hard game at first since you go in without any of that knowledge. It's fun but you have to be willing to get your rear end handed to you a lot until you figure out each enemy. What's with this post? "It looks like a fighting game, but actually it's really intellectually deep" You just described every fighting game ever.
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Not Smash, but then again, it's not a fighting game and Nintendo is kidding themselves by refusing to port it to smartphones.
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Yeah, I guess you can feel smug about that post if you want, but it's entirely different from a game like Street Fighter or something. Punch Out is a single player game and all of the enemies have really elaborate and particular moves. You have to figure out which of those moves you can punish and which you have to block or dodge. It's really not like a fighting game at all except that it's a one-on-one match where you punch people. I wouldn't even describe Punch Out as intellectually deep because it's not like there's a strategy to it; there's pretty much One Right Way to react to each move and each boxer, so once you can figure that out it's pretty much done.
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Punch-Out is a puzzle game more than anything else, it's definitely worth mentioning that to anyone expecting a fighting game. Particularly since the Wii version has a 2-player VS mode which kind of sends the wrong message about what the game is. Acting like it's the same thing as Street Fighter and people are stupid for explaining the difference is misleading at best.
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I actually forgot that the Wii version had a garbage versus mode. It's all about the single player.
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Going to buy Punch Out Wii just for the amazing Punch Out theme. It's the pumpiest thing ever, I can listen to it and fight a bear, jump a mountain, or join the Nintendo Fun Club. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndaP9iieaok e: Haha, I forgot about this trailer, Punch Out Wii is pretty great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxeyY95HEzs ONE YEAR LATER fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Trent posted:Mario Galaxy 1/2: Unplayable Garbage. They are some of my favorite games but not pressing a button for spin has been a complaint since they came out.
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RyokoTK posted:You have to figure out which of those moves you can punish and which you have to block or dodge. Oh, so like a fighting game.
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Yes, in the sense that some of the descriptive words are similar, it is like a fighting game.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Only games that originally had Classic Controller support will work with the gamepad, so no, you can't play Punch-Out with the gamepad, even though it includes a sideways wiimote control scheme that's entirely button-based. Because it's emulating a classic controller, not a wiimote  .
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All this talk about people not knowing what Punch Out is makes my head spin. That game feels like common knowledge to me and my friends, but we were the NES generation. The idea of people not knowing now and needing it explained feels weird. It should be expected of course given that Nintendo really didn't do much with it for a long time but still...weird.
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I know what Punch Out is, but I don't know much about the Wii version. I did play a fuckton of Teleroboxing on the Virtual Boy, though!
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So what's the better bet?  on Wii Punch-Out or dropping 250 coins and $1.50 on getting Super Punch-Out for Wii U Virtual Console?
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Kaleidoscope posted:So what's the better bet? Don't forget that other games will go on sale alongside Punch-out Wii. Punch-out NES will almost certainly be discounted.
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Kaleidoscope posted:So what's the better bet? Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
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I think Super Punchout is a lot weaker than the NES/Wii ones
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Kaleidoscope posted:So what's the better bet? Both. But Punch Out Wii is the better game.
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Saoshyant posted:They really shouldn't have announced that some games would support the tablet as a controller, because none of the first wave games actually do, but hell if Nintendo's not the best at creating confusion. I mean, I understand that Iwata as an engineer was excited about the fact they had managed to provide both support for Wii digital titles and some tablet controller compatibility, but you don't announce the latter without anything to show -- you wait for the right moment and in the process avoid causing a bunch of confusion for your customers. Not sure how there's any confusion at all "The gamepad can be used as a classic controller" is a clear and unambiguous statement. Mario Galaxy 2, Punch-Out, and Metroid Prime Trilogy don't support the classic controller and therefore cannot be played with the gamepad. That's also really clear and unambiguous. Anyone getting confused by it is reading way more into Iwata's statements than was actually said.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Not Smash, but then again, it's not a fighting game and Nintendo is kidding themselves by refusing to port it to smartphones.
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I watched some videos of Punch-Out and I get it but it doesn't look fun so I'm not gonna buy it.
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Does the dash jump still work in the Metroid Prime Trilogy version of the first Prime?
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A new Punch-out on Wii U in the next year or two is pretty much inevitable right? Little Mac is popular in Smash Bros, the Wii version is on eShop and Nintendo own Next Level Games now.
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Orgophlax posted:Does the dash jump still work in the Metroid Prime Trilogy version of the first Prime? The dash jump you got from breaking your lock on to an enemy while jumping sideways? Its still in, but it doesn't work nearly as well for sequence breaking. The Trilogy version is based off of the later version of Prime 1, which toned down a lot of the sequence breaking exploits.
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Orgophlax posted:Does the dash jump still work in the Metroid Prime Trilogy version of the first Prime? The super long jump you can do by looking straight down and then jumping? I don't think so, since that requires being able to lock the cursor in place then let go. If you mean getting the space jump right away, no you can't. If you mean the strafing jump dodge move that you can do by tapping jump twice while locked on and moving sideways, yes you can do it.
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Help Im Alive posted:A new Punch-out on Wii U in the next year or two is pretty much inevitable right? Little Mac is popular in Smash Bros, the Wii version is on eShop and Nintendo own Next Level Games now. God I hope so.
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