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Cockatrice has a timer but it doesn't end the game automatically at 50 minutes. It's just there to keep time.
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I think that's just a matter of getting used to the interface. You can set stops and use the F-keys to auto-pass priority just like on MTGO. 25-30 minutes a side should be more than enough.
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Jan 22, 2015 16:11
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:I think that's just a matter of getting used to the interface. You can set stops and use the F-keys to auto-pass priority just like on MTGO. 25-30 minutes a side should be more than enough. Let's be real. This is most people's first exposure to xMage and there's a bit of an adjustment period to the interface. 10 extra minutes per match is hardly unreasonable.
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Jan 22, 2015 16:25
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I agree with the extra time. I can be horrible on commentary for 20 extra minutes, since everyone playing is going to be horrible at magic for 35 minutes each.
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Jan 22, 2015 16:54
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I'm fine with more time... More time for me to durdle and spin tops.
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Jan 22, 2015 17:12
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ok, lets do 35 minutes per player for bo3 rounds, and 60 per for the finals bo5 if xmage supports your deck try to use it for the sake of uniformity if not i dunno, my instinct is you cockatrice guys keep track of time and then play five turns overtime a la paper, maybe get someone to spec to keep time. might be a little wonky but this is more for fun so i dunno that it's worth finding the ~perfect solution~
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Jan 22, 2015 17:17
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I mean, if both players agree and have time, you could just run your non-xmage round until it finishes, but y'know, YMMV.
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LordSaturn posted:I mean, if both players agree and have time, you could just run your non-xmage round until it finishes, but y'know, YMMV. given that i think the non-xmage players are mostly playing dragon i feel like we need some way to actually end the round in case the dragon player can indefinitely pull off a draw somehow :I but i have no idea how easy getting the draw is in that deck and if that's a realistic scenario
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gang sines posted:given that i think the non-xmage players are mostly playing dragon i feel like we need some way to actually end the round in case the dragon player can indefinitely pull off a draw somehow :I but i have no idea how easy getting the draw is in that deck and if that's a realistic scenario The draw is absurdly easy to get but the ratio of draws to wins depends on how bad your list is. There's also tradeoffs wrt speed to combo and percentage of games won with the combo so thats also a thing that some insane people are messing around with. But the draw is literally having 2 pieces out of 3 of your win so it's easier to get than the win. Zoness fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Jan 22, 2015 17:24
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35 minute rounds is a great idea. Xmage is more than clunky, and I know a lot of us aren't used to our decks either. Its also going to be just a single round per week, so its not like we are trying to run several rounds in succession.
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Jan 22, 2015 17:35
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I think the solution is that everyone should just proxy dragons with griselbrands.
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Jan 22, 2015 17:45
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I'm not sure how willing I am to install and learn more than one 3rd party Wizard simulator.
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Partial Octopus posted:I think the solution is that everyone should just proxy dragons with griselbrands. I don't want to go deep into the actual mechanics of the deck since some people are playing it and they've done the work to develop some cool lists, but actually iterating the game within the rules is actually important even when you go off in some cases.
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ok i'm thinking if people are married to playing dragon that it might be easiest to just fix it so we can all play xmage :\ e: if i have time tonight i can work on that, if anyone else wants to go for it e2: and if anyone else wants to i think the issue is with auras entering the battlefield without being cast not being handled right black potus fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Jan 22, 2015 18:56
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Sign me up bruh I'll probably be playing some sort of a Shardless Agent deck
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Sampatrick posted:Sign me up bruh I'll probably be playing some sort of a Shardless Agent deck You're way late, bruh, you must love mcmagic's posting.
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Lol, first dude I try playing on xmage throws a hissy fit when I red blast his jitte. He wouldn't stop saying that painter's servant only changes the color for cards that "AREN'T ON THE BATTLEFIELD". Then he conceded (I won g1, this was g2) and it still put us in for a 3rd game? Not sure what to take from that, is it possible I accidentally surrendered or something?
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Wadjamaloo posted:35 minute rounds is a great idea. Xmage is more than clunky, and I know a lot of us aren't used to our decks either. Its also going to be just a single round per week, so its not like we are trying to run several rounds in succession. Did you get CoV to work right? It didn't seem to allow me to chain cast in my test games, I only built that pile once though. :/
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Is there a way to goldfish on XMage? I can't seem to find any option for making an AI opponent other than a draftbot, which is probably only there to, well, draft. Also, I seem to have lost all my card images since the last time I opened XMage and now. Is that normal?
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Start up a Server and connect to localhost. It usually works and is almost capable (I was trying to play earlier and it just sat there tanking for a solid minute on my Declare attackers, 2nd Main, and both its Mains) until it gets multiple activated abilities out then it just goes nuts with them (I'll just regen my Troll Ascetic twice and then pass the turn  ).Also the disappearing images thing happened to me too but only once. Cernunnos fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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C-Euro posted:Is there a way to goldfish on XMage? I can't seem to find any option for making an AI opponent other than a draftbot, which is probably only there to, well, draft. You can launch two clients and have them fight each other
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Yeah, the XMage AI is a little rough. Once the board state gets complicated/it has lots of options it often ends up timing out on its thinking, which leads it to just pass every time. And even when it's working it often makes questionable strategic choices like throwing burn at your face (but not enough to kill you) rather than at your lethal attacker. Looking at the log messages it spews out, it seems to be based on simulating the expected results of actions, which is probably the only real way to handle such a diverse card pool (c.f. Forge, where the AI is incapable of identifying that a Festering Goblin will in fact trade with an x/2 attacker), but it still needs quite a lot of work to actually be worthwhile. It's a reasonable goldfish opponent if you give it like, Burn or something though. And you can play against it to figure out the XMage interface. Jabor fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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nm it's bedtime
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TenjouUtena posted:Did you get CoV to work right? It didn't seem to allow me to chain cast in my test games, I only built that pile once though. :/ There is a point where it asks if you would like to change the target of CoV, it isn't 100% clear, but its talking about changing the target of the copy not the original. And just to be clear, you are choosing YOUR top as the first target and then trying to copy and choose their hate card as the second right? After all, this is Doomsday we are talking about and most people wouldn't be able to figure out this interaction on their own. You are also taping your top first and responding to the ability with CoV right?
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GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:Like this? So, just so I'm clear here, this is a participation tag, right? And I'm assuming FRF cards are allowed?
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Wadjamaloo posted:I made a few CoV piles, the wording was slightly confusing, but it worked. What I was trying to do was to bounce a couple LEDs back to my hand to recast to build storm count, so I selected my LED, tap/sacced a land, it asked to if I wanted to change. I said yes, then.... Nothing happened? In this specific instance I wasn't doing the CoV/top trick.
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TenjouUtena posted:What I was trying to do was to bounce a couple LEDs back to my hand to recast to build storm count, so I selected my LED, tap/sacced a land, it asked to if I wanted to change. I said yes, then.... Nothing happened? In this specific instance I wasn't doing the CoV/top trick. EDIT: I just tested it, and yea its broken. Cast CoV > Target LED CoV Resolves >LED gets bounced. Would you like to copy CoV? > Yes Sacrifice a land > click, land goes by bye Choose a non-land permanent > click second LED Nothing happens, stack is empty. Could we maybe have a gentleman's rule where if a bug prevents a demonstrate-able win, we count that as a win. eSporks fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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suicidesteve posted:So, just so I'm clear here, this is a participation tag, right? And I'm assuming FRF cards are allowed? As long as they are implemented, they should be allowed.
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During a game, how can you see your full hand? If I have more than seven cards in hand they get cut off by the little stack window.
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C-Euro posted:During a game, how can you see your full hand? If I have more than seven cards in hand they get cut off by the little stack window. There should be a slider, but it might only appear if you download the card images.
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This is apparently a common enough complaint that they include it in the FAQ. (But not common enough to actually fix, apparently). There's a scrollbar below the hand area, but if your screen is too small vertically it can disappear off the bottom. The solution is to make sure you're using the small card images and (I'm not joking) hide your taskbar to get more vertical space.
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There should be one for people who are commentating only that says "Talks about Goons that are officially better than McMagic."
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Wadjamaloo posted:Could we maybe have a gentleman's rule where if a bug prevents a demonstrate-able win, we count that as a win. yes don't be a dick if your opponent can win on paper but there's a bug, scoop also yes on FRF if they're implemented
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Eh, screw it. 4 Lion's Eye Diamond 4 Golgari Grave-Troll 3 Golgari Thug 4 Stinkweed Imp 4 Bridge from Below 3 Ichorid 4 Narcomoeba 3 Putrid Imp 4 Careful Study 4 Faithless Looting 3 Breakthrough 4 Cabal Therapy 4 Cephalid Coliseum 4 Gemstone Mine 2 Dread Return 1 Flame-Kin Zealot 4 City of Brass 1 Mana Confluence 2 Pithing Needle 1 Ichorid 2 Street Wraith 1 Flayer of the Hatebound 1 Darkblast 4 Nature's Claim Filthy Monkey fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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Edit: List time! 1x Cavern of Souls 1x Horizon Canopy 3x Karakas 4x Flagstones of Trokair 6x Plains 4x Rishadan Port 4x Wasteland 4x Flickerwisp 4x Mother of Runes 4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben 4x Stoneforge Mystic 4x Phyrexian Revoker 2x Mangara of Corondor 2x Mirran Crusader 2x Serra Avenger 4x Ęther vial 4x Swords to Plowshares 1x Umezawa's Jitte 1x Sword of Fire and Ice 1x Batterskull SB: 2x Cataclysm 1x Council's Judgement 2x Enlightened tutor 3x Rest in Peace 1x Pithing Needle 1x Ratchet Bomb 2x Ethersworn Canonist 2x Wilt-Leaf Liege 1x Mindbreak Trap TheLawinator fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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Jan 24, 2015 02:08
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So is there a list deadline for this thing? Let's get it moving!
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yeah i was expecting more people's lists to be in by now ;[ if you can't get your list in by 9AM Monday EST (so in ~48 hours) please post in the thread or send me a PM. if i don't hear from anyone i'm gonna go ahead and post pairings for rd 1 then and give whoever's got no list in a match loss just so we can get stuff started. if there's a reason you can't just let me know! unless the reason is you are lazy then just go pick some scg top 8 list dammit >:( here's who's left: TheKingofSprings AgentSythe Snacksmaniac Pointus Pilate odiv Chamale muon ChewyLSB Procrastinator Dr. Stab PERPETUAL IDIOT Auralsaurus Flex suicidesteve Toshimo i know some people on that list have decks decided but haven't posted lists. if you're on this list and did post a decklist please tell me i'm a dumbo and i'll correct that.
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suicidesteve posted:So, just so I'm clear here, this is a participation tag, right? And I'm assuming FRF cards are allowed? also i'd thought that would be the 1st place tag, if someone wants to make another 1stplacier tag or another participation tag go 4 it. i'm gonna get whoever's 1st an avatar cert to buy the 1st place tag.
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gang sines posted:also i'd thought that would be the 1st place tag, if someone wants to make another 1stplacier tag or another participation tag go 4 it. i'm gonna get whoever's 1st an avatar cert to buy the 1st place tag. I know; it was my attempt at humor. To be fair though, we probably should all get the better than mcmagic tag. I've decided that I'd rather not win, so here's my list (Assuming Tasigur works. Otherwise I'll just drop him and play 60 like a chump.) "It's pronounced Yund" 3 Badlands 3 Bayou 3 Bloodstained Mire 1 Forest 3 Grove of the Burnwillows 2 Swamp 4 Verdant Catacombs 4 Wasteland 4 Abrupt Decay 4 Dark Confidant 4 Deathrite Shaman 1 Huntmaster of the Fells 4 Hymn to Tourach 3 Lightning Bolt 4 Liliana of the Veil 1 Pernicious Deed 3 Punishing Fire 1 Scavenging Ooze 1 Sylvan Library 3 Tarmogoyf 1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang 4 Thoughtseize Sideboard: 1 Chains of Mephistopheles 1 Choke 1 Duress 1 Engineered Plague 1 Garruk Relentless 1 Grafdigger's Cage 2 Krosan Grip 1 Pernicious Deed 1 Pithing Needle 1 Raging Ravine 2 Red Elemental Blast 1 Slaughter Games 1 Surgical Extraction Edit: I fixed my sideboard. -1 Engineered Plague +1 Garruk Relentless. suicidesteve fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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gang sines posted:yeah i was expecting more people's lists to be in by now ;[ A couple of cards in my original deck aren't implemented on XMage, so I changed it a bit- 4 Ancient Tomb 4 Cavern of Souls 9 Plains 2 Karakas 4 Ballyrush Banneret 3 Captain of the Watch 4 Chalice of the Void 4 Chrome Mox 4 Daru Warchief 4 Enlistment Officer 4 Field Marshal 2 Loxodon Gatekeeper 1 Precinct Captain 4 Preeminent Captain 4 Suppression Field 3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben Sideboard: 3 Ethersworn Canonist 3 Council's Judgement 4 Kor Firewalker 4 Rest in Peace 1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
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