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StashAugustine posted:I think the takeaway here is that while the Germans did have some good strategists and engineers the myth of "German efficiency" in the context of WWII is vastly overblown. I remember reading (something linked in this thread, I'm pretty sure) that it was pretty late in the war before German industry was totally committed to total war. Which is pretty loving hilarious, since you'd think the advantage of autocracy is the entirety of a country's potential united under a single will, but the democratic USA did a much better job of directing all effort towards the war.
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DStecks posted:I remember reading (something linked in this thread, I'm pretty sure) that it was pretty late in the war before German industry was totally committed to total war. Which is pretty loving hilarious, since you'd think the advantage of autocracy is the entirety of a country's potential united under a single will, but the democratic USA did a much better job of directing all effort towards the war. Yeah, seems like it only happened around '42 (with Speer's reforms and nationalization of industry) and '43 (when it was officially admitted in the Sportpalast Speech). I presume they just weren't ready to admit that yes, this was not going to be a Blitzkrieg like they thought it would be, poo poo's indeed going down loving seriously. I wonder if pushing for total war from the beginning would have only increased the speed of the decline and fall, or if it would have been enough for the Reich to pull out a victory of some kind... and then completely fall apart.
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DStecks posted:I remember reading (something linked in this thread, I'm pretty sure) that it was pretty late in the war before German industry was totally committed to total war. Which is pretty loving hilarious, since you'd think the advantage of autocracy is the entirety of a country's potential united under a single will, but the democratic USA did a much better job of directing all effort towards the war. Hitler was arrogant and didnt think they needed to Total War. Or complete researching Jet engines/rockets/whatever. Its pretty hilarious in hindsight.
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It's a great misconception that Mussolini never managed to bring Roman Empire back. He actually did, but instead of bringing back glory days of early empire when Roman legions were unmatched in battle, he brought back the waning days of late empire, when Romans used Germanic barbarians to wage their wars for them.
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In the early years Hitler had to play a balancing act of cementing his control vs appeasing his backers but yeah by 39 you'd think he'd be done centralising.
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Enjoy posted:In the early years Hitler had to play a balancing act of cementing his control vs appeasing his backers but yeah by 39 you'd think he'd be done centralising.  In practice, though, only the election of 1933 involved a Reichstag that was not 100% Nazi (the Nazis outlawed all other parties in late 1933). So I am actually somewhat confused. Sure, Hitler did go through the formality of getting the Reichstag to vote him dictator two more times, but only after he had replaced the Reichstag with the party he headed. That sounds pretty consolidated to me.
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Paradox Grand Strategy: Hitler's Greatest Failures
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Kavak posted:And if carriers aren't an option because this is a mod set in the run-up to WWI? I'm pretty sure you'd then want to bring back the Grand Old Cruizerg. Even though DH doesn't have the magical CVL teleport, it still ought to work. CAs are the most cost effective capital ship, usually. Actually, the DD swarm would probably be even better. 
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Speaking of the Axis being incompetent, a while back one of the HOI4 devs posted this screenshot from an alpha build: By the looks of it, Italy's AI is going to be modeled correctly this time around!
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Spiderfist Island posted:Speaking of the Axis being incompetent, a while back one of the HOI4 devs posted this screenshot from an alpha build: whatleganordvotersactuallybelieve.jpg
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Spiderfist Island posted:Speaking of the Axis being incompetent, a while back one of the HOI4 devs posted this screenshot from an alpha build:
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VostokProgram posted:I'm pretty sure you'd then want to bring back the Grand Old Cruizerg. Even though DH doesn't have the magical CVL teleport, it still ought to work. CAs are the most cost effective capital ship, usually. CA's with no screens?
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Kavak posted:CA's with no screens? CA's for half the fleet, the other half is CL's with Fire Control brigades to get their firing range to match. Full screen ratio and your entire fleet will fire at anything it gets in range of.
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dublish posted:CA's for half the fleet, the other half is CL's with Fire Control brigades to get their firing range to match. Full screen ratio and your entire fleet will fire at anything it gets in range of. Fire Control's unavailable, so what makes DD's better than CL's for an all screen fleet?
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dublish posted:CA's for half the fleet, the other half is CL's with Fire Control brigades to get their firing range to match. Full screen ratio and your entire fleet will fire at anything it gets in range of. Yeah. If this were an earlier version (I think Armageddon 1.2?) then you would also have a pair of CVLs, because they would teleport the entire fleet to the CA's range after the first hour of combat, at which point you would obliterate the enemy. DH doesn't have that bug, but instead the faster fleet always picks the engagement range - and CAs and CLs are some of the fastest ships. edit: DDs are better because they are more cost effective. I seem to recall some forum thread where a person made a 60-flotilla fleet and broke the game.
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Spiderfist Island posted:Speaking of the Axis being incompetent, a while back one of the HOI4 devs posted this screenshot from an alpha build:  paradox.jpg
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Is there documentation for Darkest Hour AI files? I want my Kaiserreich allies to build more than just infantry.DStecks posted:I remember reading (something linked in this thread, I'm pretty sure) that it was pretty late in the war before German industry was totally committed to total war. Which is pretty loving hilarious, since you'd think the advantage of autocracy is the entirety of a country's potential united under a single will, but the democratic USA did a much better job of directing all effort towards the war. The thing about Germany never committing to total war is partly a myth pushed by Albert Speer to make himself look better post war - Wages of Destruction is definitely worth a read.
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James Garfield posted:Is there documentation for Darkest Hour AI files? I want my Kaiserreich allies to build more than just infantry. From what I've seen of them, build priorities are set pretty plainly in the AI files as a percentage of all construction. Navigate down to "military = {" and drop infantry down to something reasonable.
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James Garfield posted:Is there documentation for Darkest Hour AI files? I want my Kaiserreich allies to build more than just infantry. That book is really good and demolishes a lot of common ideas about Nazi economics. Like Speer was certainly competent and all, but he was not the economic genius he is commonly suggested to be and a lot of his reputation for bringing about huge increases in industrial output stems from being put in charge of war production just as the Nazi's slave labor programs were starting to bear fruit. Whatever rationalizations in the economy he made were lesser factors in the increase of German war production than the raw manpower input into the economy of millions of of slave laborers from around Europe.
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Pornographic Memory posted:That book is really good and demolishes a lot of common ideas about Nazi economics. Like Speer was certainly competent and all, but he was not the economic genius he is commonly suggested to be and a lot of his reputation for bringing about huge increases in industrial output stems from being put in charge of war production just as the Nazi's slave labor programs were starting to bear fruit. Whatever rationalizations in the economy he made were lesser factors in the increase of German war production than the raw manpower input into the economy of millions of of slave laborers from around Europe. Thanks for the recommendation! I've been fascinated by all of the wartime economies of WW2 ever since I got into a fight with an econ professor who claimed that the Nazis could not be capitalist because the government was able to exert control over the economy, which obviously did not happen in the US and the UK. Since then, wartime economic policy has honestly been pretty fascinating.
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Dibujante posted:an econ professor who claimed that the Nazis could not be capitalist because the government was able to exert control over the economy, which obviously did not happen in the US and the UK. lmao Hope you at least got an education in other courses.
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Kavak posted:From what I've seen of them, build priorities are set pretty plainly in the AI files as a percentage of all construction. Navigate down to "military = {" and drop infantry down to something reasonable. What about nations without AI files?
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Dibujante posted:Thanks for the recommendation! I've been fascinated by all of the wartime economies of WW2 ever since I got into a fight with an econ professor who claimed that the Nazis could not be capitalist because the government was able to exert control over the economy, which obviously did not happen in the US and the UK. Since then, wartime economic policy has honestly been pretty fascinating. They were called National Socialist!!
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Kavak posted:Mod1914. It uses the old Hearts of Iron II map and lacks decisions, but it's still good. I may be biased because I've modded my copy to hell and back, though. The mod author was working on a new version with that stupid giant map, but he put it on hold almost a year ago and its up in the air whether he'll come back to it, but that announcement came four months after the last update. Somebody tried to just port it to the regular Darkest Hour map, but that's been inactive since November. It's a shame, he was actually making progress. Can you do anything further in this mod after you won WWI? Also, is 1897 a good start scenario or will everyone just build infinite IC?
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GrossMurpel posted:Can you do anything further in this mod after you won WWI? I found 1897 very boring. That's 17 years before the start of the Great War. Even the 33 start is only 6 years and that drags a little.
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James Garfield posted:What about nations without AI files? Liberated puppets seem to default to 100% infantry, probably since they don't automatically load any AI files mid-game. You could either write a custom event and trigger it to load the AI file for that country, or open the save and look for the country by "tag = xxx". There's a section down a couple pages that starts with "military = {" and contains the names of the units and brigades. An entry that is "infantry = 100" and all others at 0 means build only infantry. I haven't messed around with the AI much, but it appears to work as percentages with all the various unit weights adding to 100.
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But..infantry is the best unit for pretty much anyone to spam in DH. Why would you -not- want your allies building them?
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Spiderfist Island posted:Speaking of the Axis being incompetent, a while back one of the HOI4 devs posted this screenshot from an alpha build: Reminder that Johan Andersson's design philosophy is "to create believable worlds."
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Enjoy posted:I found 1897 very boring. That's 17 years before the start of the Great War. Even the 33 start is only 6 years and that drags a little. I prefer the huge amount of build-up. It lets me build an army and navy that both satisfy my OCD and compensate for the fact that I have the tactical acumen of a brick wall. I'm afraid there's not much to do after WWI is over, except maybe start a new one with the US over their Monroe Doctrining of my prize of French Guiana or something like that. EDIT: Mister Adequate posted:Reminder that Johan Andersson's design philosophy is "to create believable worlds." That's why it's still in Alpha! <  >
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Mister Adequate posted:Reminder that Johan Andersson's design philosophy is "to create believable worlds." not seeing anything unbelievable in this screenshot
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Since I see the manpower is shown as "10M" there, I guess they're counting the individual soldiers there. Will there be a casualty ledger where I can see the horrible human cost I've cumulatively wrought over the course of the war?
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James Garfield posted:The thing about Germany never committing to total war is partly a myth pushed by Albert Speer to make himself look better post war - Wages of Destruction is definitely worth a read. The specifics of it that I read were that German factories were still producing consumer goods (specifically, the Volkswagen), until pretty late in the war, long past the point where all American automotive factories had switched over to producing military vehicles. Of course, that could be what you're talking about, I'd have to read the book.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Since I see the manpower is shown as "10M" there, I guess they're counting the individual soldiers there. Will there be a casualty ledger where I can see the horrible human cost I've cumulatively wrought over the course of the war?
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DStecks posted:The specifics of it that I read were that German factories were still producing consumer goods (specifically, the Volkswagen), until pretty late in the war, long past the point where all American automotive factories had switched over to producing military vehicles. Of course, that could be what you're talking about, I'd have to read the book. the Volkswagen was used exclusively by the Wehrmacht and the Government, though, so that's probably the worst possible example.
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They devoted a ridiculous amount of train journeys in and around Poland to passengers rather than soldiers, as I recall?
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Yeah people keep talking about the deathcamps but people never mention how Germany gave a lot of free train tickets to minorities. But i guess history is written by the victors.
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Mans posted:Yeah people keep talking about the deathcamps but people never mention how Germany gave a lot of free train tickets to minorities. In the end, they DID make the trains run on time.
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Tomn posted:In the end, they DID make the trains run on time. http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.asp 
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Dear Paradox (Wiz are you listening), CK2 is in what, it's 4th year? EUIV in its second or third (I'm old I lose track of time easily). I am loving ready for Vicky 3. I cannot be the only one. Given your popularity lately are you really still worried Vicky doesn't (or won't) have a big enough audience? I mean, yes HOI4 will make you more money and I'm excited about it, but I, your random goon fan on the interweb, is getting a little sick of running Vicky 2. I need Vicky 3 to make my life complete. Edit gradenko_2000 posted:I'm pretty sure you can win the war as Germany starting from the HOI2 Barbarossa scenario. You could win the war as Germany in HOI2 starting at the 1944 scenario. It was a really difficult challenge, but how I knew I had finally become a good HOI player. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jan 25, 2015 |
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