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Fingers McLongDong posted:U/B control players want it. Only other wraths right now are a 5 mana white one and an artifact that requires 9 mana over 2 turns. There's also enough midrange decks around that a 5 mana wrath isn't as bad as it could be. In Garruk's Wake is also a thing too, even if no one uses it.
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Gensuki posted:I kinda doubt Sarkhan 4 since that would be pretty awkward, what with him being in the first block... I expect Narset over him. They just had two Xenagos in the same block. Granted, one of them was a creature, but I don't think they're that worried about having two versions of the same planeswalker in the same block. They've had two (or more) of the same in the same Standard plenty of times. There's been multiple Garruks, multiple Jaces, multiple Ajanis, and I think multiple Sorins. Having one Sarkhan in the first set and a different one in the third set isn't that different from having one in the first set and a different one in the core set. Especially since these sets won't be drafted together. Revitalized posted:Im not terribly familiar with the current meta but I noticed my store's buylist has crux of fate for a few dollars. This looks like sort of a mediocre board wipe thats slightly better than Extinguish All Hope. Am I missing something? (I probably am) 5 mana is waaaaay less than 6 mana, and we don't get 4-mana board wipes any more.
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Spiderdrake posted:The red and black ones can be pretty interesting into some game states on both ends, and the green one is super deck dependent. Citadel Siege is a more expensive pack rat you can't even remove the turn it hits play I Love You! fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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I Love You! posted:Citadel Siege is a pack rat you can't even remove the turn it hits play It's a top 3 card for limited in the set. Anyone test Warden in Abzan aggro? What about Valorous Stance? mcmagic fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Jan 23, 2015 15:30
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Entropic posted:5 mana is waaaaay less than 6 mana, and we don't get 4-mana board wipes any more. What? We just finished a block with supreme verdict and day of judgement.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:What? We just finished a block with supreme verdict and day of judgement. we wont get 4 mana uncounterable unconditional board wipes anymore per Wizards right before the release of Khan.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:What? We just finished a block with supreme verdict and day of judgement. i.e. it's been two years since we got one. And they've said they're leaning away from super-efficient unconditional wipes. Going forward, we're more likely to see stuff like End Hostilities and Duneblast at higher mana costs, with more conditional board wipes like Drown in Sorrow and Anger of the Gods at 3 or so mana. And I'd be surprised if we even get a proper 2-mana Pyroclasm again any time soon.
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They never said we wont have 4 mana wrath again, they just said we won't have it all the time any more, i.e. more anger of the gods and end hostilites
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Entropic posted:They just had two Xenagos in the same block. Granted, one of them was a creature, but I don't think they're that worried about having two versions of the same planeswalker in the same block. They've had two (or more) of the same in the same Standard plenty of times. There's been multiple Garruks, multiple Jaces, multiple Ajanis, and I think multiple Sorins. Having one Sarkhan in the first set and a different one in the third set isn't that different from having one in the first set and a different one in the core set. Especially since these sets won't be drafted together. Also, Khans is the first block that will follow the new standard rotation, and judging by what they're hinting at in the lore articles, it's looking like Khans of Tarkir won't exist as that form much longer. New Sarkhan coming in when the old one goes out seems like a cool flavor idea. Edit: I wonder what's gonna happen to Sorin since he's on Tarkir but not from there when the new timeline happens. Probably nothing but he also knew Ugin was dead, as did Nahiri. Hmm. Count Bleck fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Jan 23, 2015 16:43
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I think sarkhan will likely stay a walker so they don't have to retcon alara and zendikar.
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OK, I'm definitely running Pox for the PT, this deck has all sorts of sick as poo poo matchups. I've still got to figure out what to do about Graveyard Hate but I feel like that is going to be wildly unpopular with the Cruise banning so hopefully this deck will be a major winner. Streaming Modern Pox now at https://www.twitch.tv/tedsternator Come on down and enjoy the grindy, obnoxious show! I could use SB suggestions and ideas for how to deal with Relic of Progenitus.
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Count Bleck posted:Edit: I wonder what's gonna happen to Sorin since he's on Tarkir but not from there when the new timeline happens. Probably nothing but he also knew Ugin was dead, as did Nahiri. Hmm. You're already thinking harder about the implications of time travel than any fantasy game writer ever has.
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Alaan posted:I think sarkhan will likely stay a walker so they don't have to retcon alara and zendikar. If you want to be pedantic about it, continuity is already hosed. Because the dragons are still alive, the "modern" clans don't revere them, so Sarkhan was never obsessed with them, so he wouldn't have pledged his fealty to Bolas, so he wouldn't have been in the Eye on Zendikar. He winks out of Tarkir's past because of that paradox: quote:If he had never served Bolas, if he had never been sent to the Eye of Ugin, if he had never come to Tarkir with voices ringing in his broken mind—without all of that hardship, he wouldn't have had a chance to forge a new chain for his world. As with any time travel story, their best bet is to just say "don't worry about it too much, time travel doesn't make a lot of sense" and assert that everything outside of what is explicitly shown to be changed is the same. I assume they won't just be like "oh by the way because there are dragons on Tarkir the Eldrazi are still sealed."
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Boxman posted:If you want to be pedantic about it, continuity is already hosed. Because the dragons are still alive, the "modern" clans don't revere them, so Sarkhan was never obsessed with them, so he wouldn't have pledged his fealty to Bolas, so he wouldn't have been in the Eye on Zendikar. He winks out of Tarkir's past because of that paradox: they should have the eldrazi get resealed and have another rise of the eldrazi set clearly e: hey i'm on the stream hi mom
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If we don't get a set called Fall of the Eldrazi at some point I don't know what they pay Creative for.
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I Love You! posted:OK, I'm definitely running Pox for the PT, this deck has all sorts of sick as poo poo matchups. I've still got to figure out what to do about Graveyard Hate but I feel like that is going to be wildly unpopular with the Cruise banning so hopefully this deck will be a major winner. Update your links with a decklist.
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Dealing with relic: krosan grip, pithing needle/revoked naming relic, suppression field and damping matrix. Chalice on 1 before relic hits the board. Grip gets RiP and leyline too. These answers are all kinda lame honestly
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I tried a pox list for a while but felt it was really inconsistent and got stuck on lovely hands that didn't do anything most of the time. Squee + zombie infestation seems pretty sweet though
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netcat posted:I tried a pox list for a while but felt it was really inconsistent and got stuck on lovely hands that didn't do anything most of the time. Squee + zombie infestation seems pretty sweet though A guy at my store had a deck like that. He even ran tibalt.
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I Love You! posted:OK, I'm definitely running Pox for the PT, this deck has all sorts of sick as poo poo matchups. I've still got to figure out what to do about Graveyard Hate but I feel like that is going to be wildly unpopular with the Cruise banning so hopefully this deck will be a major winner. Playing Zombie Infestation with 2 Life from the Loams in your hand just seems disgusting.
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forbidden lesbian posted:Playing Zombie Infestation with 2 Life from the Loams in your hand just seems disgusting. I wondered about that since the first time a kid showed up at my shop with 4 Zombie Infestation 4 Treasure Hunt 26 Island 26 Swamp. Like, "Could this deck be good if I splashed green for Loam and actually ran good lands? Nahhh..." It does seem like the biggest possible benficiary of Golgari Grave-Troll's unbanning, though.
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Rinkles posted:I think the sieges fail at weaving story telling into cards. If they didn't explicitly spell out the sides it'd be hard to tell which most modes represented or that they were supposed to at all. Citadel and Frontier Siege -- what a weird/bad(?) card -- are probably the most successful in that regard. And FS achieves this by having "flying matters" on a green card. I keep hearing people talk about Death Bot fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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It sounds like you're talking about Citadel Siege not Frontier Siege and it sounds like you didn't read the card (or I'm misreading what you're saying).
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odiv posted:It sounds like you're talking about Citadel Siege not Frontier Siege and it sounds like you did read the card. Frontier Siege is actually bad.
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Death Bot posted:I keep hearing people talk about Frontier Siege being really good and remembering that I played against a guy who got it both games at the prerelease. He would have won both games if he'd picked the first mode, but he didn't so I just tapped my one cheap warrior card and played more and swung in. Pretty sure that a 6/6 Vigilance would have slowed that down a little! You mean citadel seige, and the second mode is good, just not against a deck whose best creature isn't all that important.
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odiv posted:It sounds like you're talking about Citadel Siege not Frontier Siege and it sounds like you didn't read the card (or I'm misreading what you're saying). Almost assuredly he's talking about Citadel Siege, although I'm not sure what 6/6 dude he's referring to. Although I'm very disappointed at the lack of janky Dark Deal/Waste Not brews being posted in this thread and the brewhaus. 
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Jan 23, 2015 18:37
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It looked like he was choosing which of his creatures to tap, which would make the card a lot worse, but it could be I misunderstood.
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Citadel Siege followed by an End Hostilities seems very powerful in standard...
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Entropic posted:You're already thinking harder about the implications of time travel than any fantasy game writer ever has. Guess I should take up the torch.
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mcmagic posted:Anyone test Warden in Abzan aggro? What about Valorous Stance? I don't think Warden is right for Abzan Aggro. Contorts your mana too awkwardly, and spending your first two turns making him a 3/3 while not playing your tapped lands, making your 3/4/5 drops even slower, seems bad. I do, however, think Valorous Stance is good and will probably be a 2-of in my deck. I'm also thinking about cutting the 2 Elspeths from the main, letting me cut the 26th land and probably a Murderous Cut for the 2 Stances. I might try Brutal Hordechief in place of Elspeth.
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Angry Grimace posted:Almost assuredly he's talking about Citadel Siege, although I'm not sure what 6/6 dude he's referring to. Whoops, looked up and c/ped the wrong Siege! The 6/6 I'm talking about is Dragon Bell Monk with two helpings of counters on it, which has to be better than tapping my Chief of the Edge while I empty my hand. Sorry I wasn't clear!
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qbert posted:I don't think Warden is right for Abzan Aggro. Contorts your mana too awkwardly, and spending your first two turns making him a 3/3 while not playing your tapped lands, making your 3/4/5 drops even slower, seems bad. If someone dropped Warden, I'd probably be happy given the amount of removal in Standard. If someone wants to put stupid amounts of mana into a dude that just gets Struck, Stoked or Downfalled when it finally becomes a threat, that's fine by me.
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qbert posted:I don't think Warden is right for Abzan Aggro. Contorts your mana too awkwardly, and spending your first two turns making him a 3/3 while not playing your tapped lands, making your 3/4/5 drops even slower, seems bad. I think you want to play Hordecheif with tokens...
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There's got to be some kind of weird Mardu Purphuros/Elspeth/Hordechief brew out there right?
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Balon posted:There's got to be some kind of weird Mardu Purphuros/Elspeth/Hordechief brew out there right? My guess is that if you were trying to make a Purphoros deck you'd probably just prefer to cast Hordeling Outburst and Raise the Alarm to the extent necessary. Whisperwood Elemental/Purphoros seems like a cute combo too.
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Balon posted:There's got to be some kind of weird Mardu Purphuros/Elspeth/Hordechief brew out there right? Mardu tokens. Forget Elspeth and Purphuros.
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Angry Grimace posted:My guess is that if you were trying to make a Purphoros deck you'd probably just prefer to cast Hordeling Outburst and Raise the Alarm to the extent necessary. Absolutely, but Elspeth is a repeatable source of tokens and Hordechief gives you the reach to break through a board stall. I don't doubt that Outburst and RtA make the cut for this kind of deck.
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For people who care about Magic literature, a friend is reviewing "The Moons of Mirrodin." Note: it's actually way better for those of you who don't care about magic literature
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Balon posted:Absolutely, but Elspeth is a repeatable source of tokens and Hordechief gives you the reach to break through a board stall. I don't doubt that Outburst and RtA make the cut for this kind of deck. Yeah, but Elspeth does a good enough job killing opponents on her own without needing help. A Purphoros deck is probably a mono-red deck that's pooping goblins.
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Balon posted:Absolutely, but Elspeth is a repeatable source of tokens and Hordechief gives you the reach to break through a board stall. I don't doubt that Outburst and RtA make the cut for this kind of deck. If this is a good deck it should win before Elspeth is relevant. You're not gonna out midrange Abzan decks with tokens.
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