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ThePutty posted:when did al jazeera get so horrifically biased?
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ThePutty posted:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/king-abdullah-saudi-arabia-dies-150122232049573.html Al Jazeera is owned and operated by the royal family of Qatar. Of course they're going to write a good obituary for a Saudi king.
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Jan 23, 2015 06:58
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ThePutty posted:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/king-abdullah-saudi-arabia-dies-150122232049573.html Aljazeera killed itself when Bahrain and Syria happened. threw every bit of credibility it had out the window when Qatar decisively moved in to use it as a foreign policy weapon. Black6 posted:Speaking ill of the dead is a culturally unacceptable in the Gulf, don't forget he made progressives strides in his day. Like a lot of reformers and revolutionaries, he was in power long enough to become the bad guy. haha Wut? Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Jan 23, 2015 06:59
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Yeah they really dropped the ball on Bahrain coverage. Where do you think they went wrong on Syria?
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Jan 23, 2015 07:20
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The Qatari government also squelched AJ's coverage of their slavery scandals. Like most news sources, you need to take everything they say with a grain of salt.
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Jan 23, 2015 07:28
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Radio Prune posted:Some Peshmerga combat footage I'm glad to hear that "Allahu Akbar" isn't just a war cry for jihadists.
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Jan 23, 2015 13:07
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Listen to how many times Americans say "oh my god" or a variation of that.
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Jan 23, 2015 13:11
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Cat Mattress posted:Listen to how many times Americans say "oh my god" or a variation of that. Murderous fanatics all of them!
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Jan 23, 2015 13:15
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Cat Mattress posted:Listen to how many times Americans say "oh my god" or a variation of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRItYDKSqpQ
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Jan 23, 2015 13:19
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The Kurds were not invited to the anti ISIS coalition conference in London and are rightfully pissed:quote:“I express my and Kurdistan people’s disappointment with the organizers of this conference and it is unfortunate that the people of Kurdistan do the sacrifice and the credit goes to others,” said Kurdistan Region President Masoud Barzani in a statement. The following countries were invited to the meeting: In addition to Britain, the US and Iraq, other countries whose representatives participated in the conference were Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, France, Germany, Italy, Jordan, Kuwait, the Netherlands, Norway, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates. Despite being the strongest force against ISIS in Syria and Iraq, the Kurds were left out while the countries supporting and financeing the terrorists got invitations. Nice job bowing to Erdogan and alienating the Kurds even further  inhttp://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/23012015
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Jan 23, 2015 14:57
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Cat Mattress posted:Listen to how many times Americans say "oh my god" or a variation of that. In combat footage? Not nearly as much. Unless the takbir of the US infantryman is "fukken dusted, toss me a rip-it"
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Jan 23, 2015 15:25
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GENDERWEIRD GREEDO posted:In combat footage? Not nearly as much. Yeah pretty much. On its face it seems comparable to other forms of divine invocation and religious swearing, but when you start digging into it one sees that its a phenomenon that is fairly unique to Muslim cultures broadly, and to jihadist culture specifically. The closest thing in American culture (because obviously everything needs to be compared to Americans right?) might be something like chanting "USA, USA!" over and over. Though of course that replaces religiosity with nationalism, and lacks the call and response. And that also lacks much of the versatility of meaning of the takbir, particularly in a civilian context. Kaal fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Jan 23, 2015 15:45
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It probably wouldn't be that hard to find/create a similar thought pattern around 'God Bless America' or 'In God We Trust'. The parallel behind patriots and jihadis is an important observation of liberal individuals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoM6IFiyRjE In ideal conditions liberal philosophy abhors group-think, favoring a morally relative vacuum where everything can be regarded in purely objective terms. But if a large enough group of individuals are placed under a common threat, becoming underdogs, it becomes heroic and imperative to create an ideological construct that the individual will kill and die for. In non-ideal conditions individuals have breaks with reality or they latch onto a niche ideological construct and commit acts of 'underdog' violence The War on Terror has amplified this philosophical dissonance, and other issues such as anti-vax and the climate debate demolish the ideal of objective consensus.
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Jan 23, 2015 16:46
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Allahu Akbar is everything from "oh my gosh" to "HOLY loving poo poo."
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Jan 23, 2015 16:57
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The-Mole posted:Allahu Akbar is everything from "oh my gosh" to "HOLY loving poo poo." Yup. It scales the entire gamut, from 'Happiest person on earth' to 'standing in the middle of a bombing run' and everything in between. Guy's wife just successfully went through 13 hours of labour? "Allahu Akbar." Same guy's father just died? "Allahu Akbar." There really isn't an equivalent word or phrase for it in English. It's absolutely steeped with cultural meaning and the contexts in which it's used.
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Jan 23, 2015 17:07
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"Holy poo poo" can do all that. Just won the lottery? Holy poo poo! Holding your newborn child for the first time? Holy poo poo. Something nearby explodes? Holy poo poo! Witness a guy shove a pineapple up his rectum? etc etc. It's extremely versatile.
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Jan 23, 2015 17:14
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Yeah, but i aint ever heard holy poo poo in a call & response at church.
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Jan 23, 2015 17:25
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ThePutty posted:http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/king-abdullah-saudi-arabia-dies-150122232049573.html I'm pretty sure it was always fairly unreliable whenever the middle east was involved but their US reporting was fairly decent compared to the alternatives. I think most agree the arab spring is really where the bias started to become really obvious though.
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Jan 23, 2015 17:30
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:Yeah, but i aint ever heard holy poo poo in a call & response at church.
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Jan 23, 2015 18:42
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ReidRansom posted:"Holy poo poo" can do all that. Just won the lottery? Holy poo poo! Holding your newborn child for the first time? Holy poo poo. Something nearby explodes? Holy poo poo! Witness a guy shove a pineapple up his rectum? etc etc. It's extremely versatile. Its not really like that at all though.
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Jan 23, 2015 18:43
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papasyhotcakes posted:Jesús the part of the footage that shows a guy stumbling out of a vehicle with what appears to be the remains of his arm sent chills down my spine. If it makes you feel better I'm pretty sure that's a slung AK-47 he's dragging along. That's a wild video —— score two direct hits on the armored car, then nail the rescue truck from a further 200 meters away. Lots of shooting discipline as well.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:14
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Miltank posted:Its not really like that at all though. Obviously I was joking. But there are definitely similar expressions in English. "Glory be" comes to mind. Part of some prayer or another and still used in that context, but among older folk or more religious or insular folk you'll still often hear it or some variation used as an all purpose exclamation as well.
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Jan 23, 2015 19:50
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The phrase 'Mother of God' comes to mind as similarly flexible.
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Jan 23, 2015 20:14
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Cocoa Ninja posted:If it makes you feel better I'm pretty sure that's a slung AK-47 he's dragging along. Almost as if they're a legitimate fighting force. What the gently caress was that last giant explosion? Truck bomb?
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Jan 23, 2015 20:34
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They had pretty nice cammo uniforms as well, I wonder where those came from.
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Jan 23, 2015 20:46
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ephex posted:The Kurds were not invited to the anti ISIS coalition conference in London and are rightfully pissed: Ah, Fun times, lets see if the Russians try to steal the Kurds. Although Assads recent antics propably make this an expensive proposition, which may well be why he done that in the first place.
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Jan 23, 2015 21:25
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The Japanese hostages are now said to have been executed. Apparently a video is forthcoming.
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Jan 23, 2015 22:58
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ReidRansom posted:The Japanese hostages are now said to have been executed. Apparently a video is forthcoming.
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Jan 23, 2015 23:01
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So I keep seeing poo poo on the news and the internets about Irans Nuclear Program. There is going to be some military exchange from this right? I really don't see any other outcome unless I am missing something. Granted I do not know much about the situation.
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Jan 23, 2015 23:02
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Oracle posted:To the surprise of absolutely nobody. I mean seriously, they were probably dead when they asked for the 200mil, because they knew they weren't going to get it. I'd have expected a 'die with dignity' message to them from Abe though instead of all this waffling. Eh, a die with dignity message may have been too uncomfortably close to all the wartime bushido bullshit they try to avoid bringing up these days. Also they were apparently trying to negotiate something that didn't involve $200M.
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Jan 23, 2015 23:06
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To Battle posted:So I keep seeing poo poo on the news and the internets about Irans Nuclear Program. There is going to be some military exchange from this right? I really don't see any other outcome unless I am missing something. Granted I do not know much about the situation. Well, if history has taught us anything about complying with international inspections... For real, though, there won't be, though it will fuel this bizarre trend of Likud-GOP relations having an independent foreign policy from U.S.-Israeli official foreign policy 
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Jan 23, 2015 23:49
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eSports Chaebol posted:Well, if history has taught us anything about complying with international inspections... Yeah there is so much rhetoric being thrown around I have no idea what to think honestly.
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Jan 24, 2015 00:20
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To Battle posted:Yeah there is so much rhetoric being thrown around I have no idea what to think honestly. The "Arms Control Wonk" podcast has had some good episodes explaining the context, the history of nuclear monitoring RE: Iran and the likely scenarios if some sort of verification is passed. It can be a bit dry but they definitely go in detail. Edit: For those who will probably not listen to the podcast, the situation is pretty much what you'd expect — more nuanced and complicated than anyone is saying on the news. Any attempt at verification, even with decent cooperation from Iranian authorities, is merely putting a finger in a cracking dam. Ultimately the success of verification depends entirely on the Iranian regime's enticement to appear like a cooperative partner, which means there must be incentives to the regime. So the real long term strategic victory is in making Iran an ally, not in winning short-term tactical victories in their ability to construct a nuclear weapon. Cocoa Ninja fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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Jan 24, 2015 01:04
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ReidRansom posted:Eh, a die with dignity message may have been too uncomfortably close to all the wartime bushido bullshit they try to avoid bringing up these days. Also they were apparently trying to negotiate something that didn't involve $200M. Not to mention, it might make ISIS inclined to murder the hostages in an especially undignified way, on the off chance they hadn't already been killed
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Jan 24, 2015 01:48
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North Korea, the shittiest most retarded country in the entire world, got a nuke almost a loving decade ago (which by the way, ANY DAY NOW warnings about Iran's nuclear capabilities were happening too!) If they wanted a nuclear weapon there would have been a test by now. There is literally nothing to any renewed speculation about Iran's nuclear program beyond Neyanyahu is currently losing his election and is trying to drum up support by being a warmongering lying piece of poo poo. In Iraq news, militia fighters in Ramadi threatened to withdraw if not given adequate supplies by the central government immediately. http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/albu-ghanem-tribe-gives-government-5-hours-provide-weapons-threatens-withdraw-battle/
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Jan 24, 2015 02:18
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Iran is in a holding pattern. It definitely has nuke building facilities but it's got good leverage I'm negotiations and doesn't want to get bombed. The Israelis can't do poo poo about it because they don't have the munitions so they have to bitch and whine, but the Iranian bomb isn't even for them.
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Jan 24, 2015 02:37
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Oracle posted:To the surprise of absolutely nobody. I mean seriously, they were probably dead when they asked for the 200mil, because they knew they weren't going to get it. I'd have expected a 'die with dignity' message to them from Abe though instead of all this waffling. He's trying to move the country in a more "normal" direction as far as intervention/military and is seen as responsible for triggering the execution. Sounds like some tricky domestic politics with an old guard who wants to stay away from anything suggestive of WWII era rhetoric. Of course, we'd all have loved to see Japan double down and respond to the threats by upping their contribution to $400 million...
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Jan 24, 2015 02:42
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ReidRansom posted:Eh, a die with dignity message may have been too uncomfortably close to all the wartime bushido bullshit they try to avoid bringing up these days. Also they were apparently trying to negotiate something that didn't involve $200M. Considering that the two Japanese hostages were essentially military otaku cut from the same cloth as Caro, "a die with dignity" message would probably been too on the mark.
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Jan 24, 2015 03:09
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Young Freud posted:Considering that the two Japanese hostages were essentially military otaku cut from the same cloth as Caro, "a die with dignity" message would probably been too on the mark. One was. The other was a journalist who'd made his acquaintance and was trying to bail the poor mentally-ill goober out.
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Darth Walrus posted:One was. The other was a journalist who'd made his acquaintance and was trying to bail the poor mentally-ill goober out. I thought it was the other way around. The problem is both of them have been mentioned in the media as "self-proclaimed" in their occupations, so it's not hard for me to see the former as another war tourist like Caro. Who, you'll remembered, entered Libya as a "journalist".
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