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I think you mean "Look at your evil watch. It is very interesting. But you don't need to worry about it anymore. But there is something more evil than that watch! IT'S YOUR FACE!"
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The Lord of Hats posted:Just finished up Stone Ocean. While I'm fine with Pucci kind of winning, I wish that more of the victory in that last fight had come from Jolyne--she didn't really have much presence in it. Also, I'm kind of confused--Pucci sped up time to the universal reset, that I understand. Is that they then enter the weird predestiny universe where Pucci is talking about resignation to fate as true happiness (except he himself can change destiny, loving up by giving Emporio Weather Report), and then dying before Cape Canaveral which is somehow significant, and then the universe resets again and we get the Ireneverse. Am I right in thinking there's three universes, or am I misinterpreting what happens at Green Dolphin Street Prison? Basically, the universe ordinarily repeats itself in broad tendencies, but Made In Heaven can control it to provide perfect repetition and thus give people complete foreknowledge through being reincarnated as themselves and having all their original memories. Killing Pucci before this loop closes causes it to snap back to the normal state of affairs, where there are similar people doing similar things in similar places, but there's room to change things, and foreknowledge is limited to deja vu. (This may be how Thoth, Epitaph, and Rolling Stone work, too).
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Jan 24, 2015 04:36
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The Lord of Hats posted:Just finished up Stone Ocean. While I'm fine with Pucci kind of winning, I wish that more of the victory in that last fight had come from Jolyne--she didn't really have much presence in it. Also, I'm kind of confused--Pucci sped up time to the universal reset, that I understand. Is that they then enter the weird predestiny universe where Pucci is talking about resignation to fate as true happiness (except he himself can change destiny, loving up by giving Emporio Weather Report), and then dying before Cape Canaveral which is somehow significant, and then the universe resets again and we get the Ireneverse. Am I right in thinking there's three universes, or am I misinterpreting what happens at Green Dolphin Street Prison? Stone Ocean is loving weird and it's best to just roll with it but you're about right regarding the three universes. I also wasn't too bothered by Jolyne not being the one to beat Pucci in the end because she was the one who saved Emporio from Made in Heaven which directly allowed him to be the one kill Pucci. So it wasn't that diffrent from Josuke not being the one to defeat Kira. Part 4's ending was still way better though because the entire gang contributed to the ending which was awesome. Also her fight with Pucci before he powers up is loving amazing so that makes up for it.
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Jan 24, 2015 05:15
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I would say the entire cast contributed to that showdown, if Jolyne did. Emperio pulled out a gun and Hermes was able to use the bullets in order to get them to a place where Pucci couldn't easily leave from. Annasui was protecting them all and Jotaro stopped time (though ironically it seemed like he helped the least, to be honest).
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Jan 24, 2015 06:24
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Momomo posted:I would say the entire cast contributed to that showdown, if Jolyne did. Emperio pulled out a gun and Hermes was able to use the bullets in order to get them to a place where Pucci couldn't easily leave from. Annasui was protecting them all and Jotaro stopped time (though ironically it seemed like he helped the least, to be honest). Even with that, though, there's not really that much going on in the MiH fight--it's mostly a lot of running away, and then everyone dies. The final fight with Kira had some great back-and-forth, from the introduction of the air bubbles (but Kira has to do triangulation tricks to land it), to realizing how he's targeting them inside the house, the 'homing bullet' and so on and so forth. I think so far, that's probably been the best final fight of the series, even if Josuke wasn't the one who dealt the finishing blow.
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Jan 24, 2015 06:37
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MiH fight is mostly just to show the absolute bullshit of Pucci's newest stand, so it mostly involves people trying something and that not working because Pucci is now just too strong. Before Emporio kills him the only person who gets one over on Pucci is Jolyne by tying Emporio to some dolphins thus preventing Pucci from being able to kill him. Also, it's unfair to compare the conclusion of any arc to Part 4's conclusion because it is basically perfect in every way. The closest to it in quality is probably Part 3 or 7 but they still don't really measure up. The end of Part 4 is so good.
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Jan 24, 2015 06:56
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You know, there's one thing I want more than Holy Diver as the ED theme starting with the Vanilla Ice fights. I want Kakyoin to go up against DIO with that 20 Meter Emerald Splash, with Virtuous Pope blaring in the background all triumphantly like he's about to pull off this awesome move. And then The World just kicks in and stops everything. Including the music.
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Jan 24, 2015 08:36
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Pucci in general is a terrible villian because every single time the heroes fight against him they end up failing and somehow advancing his plans because of "gravity", most annoyingly when weather is about to take out pucci but jolyne accidentally causes him to get run over and die. it felt like I was reading bleach again or something. jolyne might as well have just sat in her cell and not done a drat thing and stone ocean would have the same outcome
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Jan 24, 2015 09:05
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:It's even funnier when you consider that the "Jotaro" from part 6 also wasn't Jotaro. How so? 
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Jan 24, 2015 09:14
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darealkooky posted:Pucci in general is a terrible villian because every single time the heroes fight against him they end up failing and somehow advancing his plans because of "gravity", most annoyingly when weather is about to take out pucci but jolyne accidentally causes him to get run over and die. it felt like I was reading bleach again or something. Isn't Jolyne the one who caused Emporio to change in the end? And gave him Weather's CD?
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Jan 24, 2015 09:20
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Isn't Jolyne the one who caused Emporio to change in the end? And gave him Weather's CD? She also saved him from Pucci during the MiH fight, thus leading to him being the sole survivor of their crew.
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Jan 24, 2015 09:44
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Star Platinum posted:How so? It was Diver Down.
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Jan 24, 2015 09:47
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:It was Diver Down. Diver Down was in Jotaro so he could tell him when to SP:TW but when he gets his face sliced open, that's the real deal. Annasui is dead at that point.
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Jan 24, 2015 10:05
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Not sure why you guys think Thoth was fortelling Part 6. It can only see the near future, so that Jotaro getting his face sliced open was Boingo.
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Jan 24, 2015 10:07
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RatHat posted:Not sure why you guys think Thoth was fortelling Part 6. Because it's funny that both times Jotaro died after part 3 it was in the same waythat Thoth predicted. It's like that joke Josuke made where he said his grandma once got hit by the same car twice in one day and survived both times.
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Jan 24, 2015 10:09
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RatHat posted:Not sure why you guys think Thoth was fortelling Part 6. It can only see the near future, so that Jotaro getting his face sliced open was Boingo.
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Boingo says as much and the events it shows do tend to materialise shortly before they happen. It's not an unreasonable assumption. e: If it were capable of long distance prediction (for want of a better term) there'd be no reason for them to sit around and wait to see what to do next. Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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Jan 24, 2015 15:04
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Stand users are depicted throughout the series (and in part 3) as often not understanding the powers of their stands.
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Boingo isn't really one of those though. It's his partners that gently caress it all up more than anything, he gets that if they consciously do the things the book shows them doing, the end result will always be what's shown in the manga. He's constantly reminding Hol Horse to do what the book says, for example.
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Jan 24, 2015 15:22
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Aurain posted:He's constantly reminding Hol Horse to do what the book says, for example. Yeah, and the book says he does that because he reminds Hol Horse to do it.
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Jan 24, 2015 17:48
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This is really overthinking it, but I imagined that this basically means that Jotaro's "fate" is just always going to be to die with his face being split open, regardless of when or how it happens. Also, The Lord of Hats, just for the record to avoid confusion, Word of Araki is that Steel Ball Run is NOT the universe Emporio wound up in. It's just another parallel or alternate universe somewhere.
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Jan 24, 2015 18:11
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Jotaro's face getting blowed up later has nothing to do with Thoth's actual power, it's just a funny callback.
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Jan 24, 2015 19:25
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Aurain posted:Diver Down was in Jotaro so he could tell him when to SP:TW but when he gets his face sliced open, that's the real deal. Annasui is dead at that point. You are correct. Whoops.
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Jan 24, 2015 19:55
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Jotaro's face getting blowed up later has nothing to do with Thoth's actual power, it's just a funny callback. Exactly 
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Nothing wrong with a little bit of fun with running jokes in things, which is all the Stone Ocean proves Boingo was right all along thing is.
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Jan 24, 2015 20:22
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Aurain posted:Nothing wrong with a little bit of fun with running jokes in things, which is all the Stone Ocean proves Boingo was right all along thing is. Stone Ocean AND Diamond is Unbreakable.
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Jan 24, 2015 20:24
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Jotaro's face getting blowed up later has nothing to do with Thoth's actual power, it's just a funny callback.
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Nessus posted:So explain 9/11. Gray Fly? 
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Nessus posted:So explain 9/11. Same explanation.
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Jan 24, 2015 22:38
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9/11 is the funniest tragedy.
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no rap is
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Big Anime Fan Here posted:no rap is Rap gave us notorious BIG
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Jan 24, 2015 22:42
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also Hey Ya! the best stand for winning a horse race
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Big Anime Fan Here posted:also Hey Ya! the best stand for winning a horse race Hey Ya is the real reason Diego got killed
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Jan 24, 2015 22:48
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FirstAidKite posted:Hey Ya is the real reason Diego got killed Holy poo poo, you're right.  And to think, I thought Pocoloco was the most pointless character in SBR this whole time.
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Jan 24, 2015 22:52
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Big Anime Fan Here posted:also Hey Ya! the best stand for winning a horse race Hey Ya! is such a great goddamn Stand I wish we got to see it again.
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Jan 24, 2015 22:52
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the villain of part 8 is going to be puccilucci, a descendant of pocoloco
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Pocoloco is based on Poco from Phantom Blood, right? It's a shame we didn't get to see his slap-happy family.
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FirstAidKite posted:Hey Ya is the real reason Diego got killed hhahaha that's true
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