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If going back to archaic systems of government is better, why stop with a king? We need people to administer our local territories, and using the logic of the reactionaries, we should use our traditional institutions. Why not bring back the doukes? Surely the old ways are better- Alexios Komnenos had doukes. Iouliana the Great had doukes. "Saint" Valeria had doukes. If you want to imagine the future under the Komnenoi, imagine a douke stamping on a human face, forever. Death to all reactionaries. Death to the false Emperor in Rhodes. Death to the crypto-doukes. Rahmbo fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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##Vote A: Support the Republic Civil war is more interesting. Whatever vote wins, after the LP is wrapped up will we get at least a summary of what the losing vote might have entailed?
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Jan 24, 2015 01:56
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##Vote A: Support the Republic
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Jan 24, 2015 02:07
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Frontspac posted:##Vote A: Support the Republic I'll probably say like right after the next update and we see all this play out. I'm just being cagey because a.) I like votes being as uninformed as possible, and also b.) in this particular case I haven't seen the event play out before so even I'm not quite sure what will happen.
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Jan 24, 2015 02:09
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Rincewind posted:a.) I like votes being as uninformed as possible I think we've seen over and over and over that this is a bad idea.
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Jan 24, 2015 02:24
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Clayren posted:We've already had alternate-world Napoleon and I have a sneaking suspicion that this guy is alternate-world Hitler, I think the Republic's still got legs but maybe stop dragging out the hiratine for every petty offense. I'm pretty sure this guy is more of an alternate-world Napoleon III. So we can expect him to get baited into a war with Alternate-world Prussia (the HRE I suppose) and get completely crushed. And then, Communists. Duckbag posted:Et tu, Goatlord?
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GoatLord posted:I'm pretty sure this guy is more of an alternate-world Napoleon III. I'm trying to think of who the original tragedy was, but all I can remember are comparable farces.
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Jan 24, 2015 02:32
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 ##Vote A: Support the Republic: 49 TheMcD Ghostwoods Erwin the German Cestrian BwenGun Jimmy4400nav General Antares Freudian Tevery Best NewMars Luhood GunnerJ Technowolf Reveilled loquacius Rejected Caustic Soda RZApublican Rumda Sky Shadowing ThatBasqueGuy Hitlers Gay Secret Glenn Zimmerman paragon1 Hutter JT Jag Tulip GoatLord Flesnolk StrifeHira mcclay tatankatonk Grizzwold Pacho Blackunknown Meinberg Ogianres sloshmonger LowellDND Unwise_Cashew Rahmbo RagnarokZ chippocrates Magni Shadow gamer vancho1 Lynneth Clayren Frontspac NGDBSS  ##Vote B: Support Kaisarios: 21 Jeoh AJ_Impy HiHo ChiRho QuoProQuid Lord Cyrahzax Arbite Chief Savage Man Zikan Readingaccount Juvenalian.Satyr WeaponGradeSadness Packyy ninjahedgehog TheFlyingLlama Ghetto Prince GSD Dry Hump Duckbag 420 Gank Mid Patter Song Horsebanger
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Jan 24, 2015 02:38
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Rincewind posted:##Vote A: Support the Republic: 49 Awww yiss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3LAtdaNrNE
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Jan 24, 2015 02:41
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ALL HAIL THE RETURN OF THE KOMNENOI! DEATH TO THE ASIATIC HORDES! I implore you, my friends, are these Ming any different from the Huns, who pillaged and destroyed our lands so long ago? Twice they have been a thorn in our side, and now they seek to contain us! They believe themselves to be the masters of the world and thus they meddle in our politics. Unacceptable! Why should the heirs of Caesar, Alexander, and Aeneas bow to the sons of Qin Shi Huang? We must throw off the shackles of the East and liberate the Near West! I tell you, there will be no peace and safety in our lands until the streets of Beijing flow red with blood, and the flag of old flies from the Imperial Palace. And that will not happen until we establish a new Empire, like the Romans of old. Ζήτω ο αυτοκράτορας!
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Jan 24, 2015 02:43
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It's so lopsided that I'm going to close the vote at 9:15 PM EST, unless Kaisarios gains a lot of momentum between then and now. A voters, please raise your hands and send me your spirit energy to help me actually win the civil war. Usually when things go horribly for us, I just cackle madly as the next update starts to write itself in my head. But I don't think I'd enjoy losing this particular civil war vey much. 
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Jan 24, 2015 02:44
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The Glorious Legions of True Rome number in the millions, the pathetic Chinese lapdog so-called Byzantine Republic stands no chance.
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Jan 24, 2015 02:53
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Rincewind posted:A voters, please raise your hands and send me your spirit energy to help me actually win the civil war. Usually when things go horribly for us, I just cackle madly as the next update starts to write itself in my head. But I don't think I'd enjoy losing this particular civil war vey much. Maybe you can say that since the National Assembly seems to favor fighting the pretender by over 2:1, this indicates something about popular support for the republic and justifies helping yourself out...?
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GunnerJ posted:Maybe you can say that since the National Assembly seems to favor fighting the pretender by over 2:1, this indicates something about popular support for the republic and justifies helping yourself out...? The public DID just vote in a completely new party after a long era of utter one-party control, you have to think that there's SOME support among the people for the new government. Maybe offer the Bulgarians or Sicilians some level of autonomy for their support (we've got to be a more palatable choice than being ruled by some crazed Greek dictator from the rear end-end of the Mediterranean!)
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Jan 24, 2015 03:04
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We should release and play as New New Bulgaria.
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Flesnolk posted:I think we've seen over and over and over that this is a bad idea. If you by 'bad' mean 'fun,' I might be able to agree. Rincewind posted:It's so lopsided that I'm going to close the vote at 9:15 PM EST, unless Kaisarios gains a lot of momentum between then and now. None (or most at least) of us would enjoy losing this war. Considering that agreeing to his demands probably would make us a ConMon Byzantium (at best), flat out denying him and loosing the civil war will most likely mean the worst possible thing: Ρωμαϊκή αυτοκρατορία ξαναγεννιέται Google Translate, please don't let me down. I too want to write awesome Greek stuff once in a while...
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 Vote closed! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzu01gO3pi4
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Clayren posted:The public DID just vote in a completely new party after a long era of utter one-party control, you have to think that there's SOME support among the people for the new government. Maybe offer the Bulgarians or Sicilians some level of autonomy for their support (we've got to be a more palatable choice than being ruled by some crazed Greek dictator from the rear end-end of the Mediterranean!) Frankly, I' rather have a New New Bulgaria running around than yet another attempt to make us a New new Rome. 
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Jan 24, 2015 03:17
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I'm sick enough of Bulgaria I hope there's zero pops left at the end of this war.
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Clayren posted:The public DID just vote in a completely new party after a long era of utter one-party control, you have to think that there's SOME support among the people for the new government. The thing is, the party they voted in is more hostile to the idea of monarchy than their predecessors. eta: You're right, I misread it as "for a new government." \/\/\/\/ GunnerJ fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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Jan 24, 2015 03:25
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GunnerJ posted:The thing is, the party they voted in is more hostile to the idea of monarchy than their predecessors. I think that post was agreeing with yours. If anything, support for the revolutionary ideals seems like it's at an all time high, not its lowest ebb. The people of Byzantium are divided once more, and a war is inevitable, but those willing to fight for the republic and the memory of Noor Sallajer are surely not small in number, based on the election result.
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With a Komnenos enlightened by the True Prophet (pbuh) nothing will stand in the way of the Great 19th Century Roman Restoration.
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Reveilled posted:I think that post was agreeing with yours. If anything, support for the revolutionary ideals seems like it's at an all time high, not its lowest ebb. The people of Byzantium are divided once more, and a war is inevitable, but those willing to fight for the republic and the memory of Noor Sallajer are surely not small in number, based on the election result. Obviously we were dealing with a case of Silent Majority. Among conservative values there is humility, and, after all, the Capitolino did over play their hand. Another conservative value is making the best of what life gives you. There's no way that this little gift from God (Allah?) is going to be let go without angry screaming.
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Jan 24, 2015 03:49
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It'd be really funny if it turned out that the civil war was a huge bluff and Kaisaros only has like three brigades (because he has no actual popular support; because he is a bizarre anachronism from a mysterious evil island)
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Jan 24, 2015 04:26
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Rahmbo posted:It'd be really funny if it turned out that the civil war was a huge bluff and Kaisaros only has like three brigades (because he has no actual popular support; because he is a bizarre anachronism from a mysterious evil island) Could be just that, and that the real threat comes from all the opportunists that rise to take advantage of the "crisis".
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Jan 24, 2015 04:40
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Flesnolk posted:I think we've seen over and over and over that this is a bad idea. Honestly, I like how the decisions in this LP are big, sweeping, have a lot of implications that you don't get to disentangle (and illustrations!). It prevents that disease that happens in other Goon LPs where the LPer offers a half-dozen minutely different choices and then goons manage to explode that to two dozen different tiny permutations.
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See this is exactly what we wanted. Can't be any more votes for a republic if all the republicans are D-E-D dead. 
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##Vote A: Support the Republic
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Aeromancia posted:##Vote A: Support the Republic While the Republic appreciates your enthusiasm, the vote is over.
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Since it's now officially a lost cause, does it mean we go fascist and become proper Rome again when losing the civil war?
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Ubern00b posted:Since it's now officially a lost cause, does it mean we go fascist and become proper Rome again when losing the civil war? 
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Fools! Damned fools! All of you! We had a chance for a peaceful transition. We had a chance to turn the page on a new age of glory and prosperity, but you have doomed us all to a war our nation cannot win. When the Emperor triumphs, it will not be over our true foes in Paris or Beijing, but here, in the City of Constantine and the blood we spill will not be that of our true enemies but that of Romans! You have made it thus, can you not see? We are not cruel nor heartless. We did not choose this, we would not, but the choice was never ours to make. Fate has decreed the dawn of a new era and we have merely drawn the curtains. You who have chosen to hide from the light, you who have dared to stand against a true Son of Heaven, you have brought doom upon yourselves and all who follow you. When our great City erupts in flames and Her streets flow crimson, we will not cheer, we will weep, for you were our friends, our comrades, and now, you must die!
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I'm ok with spilling tolerator blood. I'm sure you'll get inspired right quick Rincewind... all right fellow Greeks, what do you imagine our Emperor might be? Dark, handsome and emotional for one... such a dreamboat! HAHAHA Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Jan 24, 2015 |
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You're right, screw tolerance, kill the monarchists! If they will not cease with their endless passive-aggressive paens trumpeting the oh-so-sad-but-yes-quite-justified fall of the nation every drat time we face even the slightest opposition in a war, or when the proposition of even the slightest bureaucratic or electoral reform comes up, or when some teenage lunatic from the pimple on the rear end of the Mediterranean known as Rhodes wants to march in here and start ordering people around, I say we bring their endlessly prophesied reckoning upon their heads! Shoot the lot and hitatine the survivors, who's with me? 
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Communism!
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NewMars posted:You're right, screw tolerance, kill the monarchists! If they will not cease with their endless passive-aggressive paens trumpeting the oh-so-sad-but-yes-quite-justified fall of the nation every drat time we face even the slightest opposition in a war, or when the proposition of even the slightest bureaucratic or electoral reform comes up, or when some teenage lunatic from the pimple on the rear end of the Mediterranean known as Rhodes wants to march in here and start ordering people around, I say we bring their endlessly prophesied reckoning upon their heads! Shoot the lot and hitatine the survivors, who's with me? Death to the Traitors! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVkTmnJkAN8
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Out of character, I hope we lose. With the exception of the Macau Treaty War, we've been ludicrously successful. I want to watch in horror as the imperial monarchy re-establishes itself and the rest of the game to be a desperate struggle to limit imperial power, if not remove the imperial line entirely. Also, I would love if this turned into a re-enactment of Julius Caesar's Civil War.
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QuoProQuid posted:Out of character, I hope we lose. With the exception of the Macau Treaty War, we've been ludicrously successful. I want to watch in horror as the imperial monarchy re-establishes itself and the rest of the game to be a desperate struggle to limit imperial power, if not remove the imperial line entirely. You realize the LP ends if we lose, right?
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AdventFalls posted:You realize the LP ends if we lose, right? It didn't end after the deluge. Part of the fun of this lp is watching byzantine lose and bounce back. Rince said specifically that losing doesn't mean the end of the lp. She said: "If we lose, it's a game over. Which, as we've seen, doesn't mean the end of the LP. But we probably won't enjoy it very much."
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Actually having some success isn't an inherently horrible thing. I'm sure whatever happens Rince can turn it into an interesting narrative.
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