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HaB posted:This was a great read and a pro-click. For most protestants, like the vast majority of Texans, it doesn't matter. The only requirement for the positive side of afterlife in those religions is thinking that it's real and Jesus will hold the door for you. Okay, that's not how they put it, but it's what it boils down to. Or to put it another way, if Hitler was really moved by watching Heaven is for Real then he's chilling on a cloud with a harp, assuming that the protestants are correct. Of course, this belief creates a lot of really confusing and ugly theological questions, but there's a reason why with a couple thousand years of organized Christianity they're still arguing about basic aspects of this. For Catholics, murder including self-murder is on the short list of sins that sends you straight down if you die without getting it absolved a priest. What else is on God's no-no list? Sadly, Wikipedia does not have a separate List of Mortal Sins page and just jams it into the regular page; there's some real fun ones on there like not paying your employees enough. In this post I've actually managed to condemn myself to hell twice, so let me just say that Jesus Christ was a cocksucker just to go for the extra point. I'm trying to come up with a complicated scenario where she could have performed penance for the action before getting shot and it's just not really viable since she'd have to be genuinely contrite and thus not want to get shot afterward. Also, she's managed to commit multiple mortal sins herself in this action so per Catholicism she's hanging out with the rock stars and divorcees. Random Stranger has a new favorite as of 16:45 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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Re Catholicism, that's not completely true anymore. From the Catechism: quote:2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of. But as per 2282, helping someone commit suicide is a sin. Rabbit Hill has a new favorite as of 17:01 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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JibbaJabberwocky posted:Maybe it's because I believe everyone should have the right to die if they want to but I didn't like how the article tried to insinuate that the boyfriend was to blame, that she was just being dramatic. Like, at some point before maybe she was just being a drama queen but after you pick out the gun, its kind of on you. Seriously? Even a teenager from a 50's hick town should have no problem figuring out that just because somebody asks doesn't mean you have to do it. And weighing her body down in water, lying to cops about it, and then telling the police you didn't think you'd get caught so quickly doesn't exactly give the impression that he was forced into participating in her suicide plot. I know that social attitudes and resources for mental health were completely different back then, but the fact that she asked several other people to do it and none of them even considered it kind of makes it obvious that he was a willing participant in her death when he didn't have to be. edit: I also support the right to die, but in cases where it's motivated by mental disturbance I think that the first response should be to help them past it, not take them out to the swamp with a 12-gauge. How could you possibly think a teenage girl with no physical health problems, only a recent history of psychological issues, and only relatively minor social and home problems is anywhere near the same league as, say, a terminal patient, or someone suffering from severe, untreatable mental illness? CrotchDropJeans has a new favorite as of 18:44 on Jan 23, 2015 |
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HaB posted:This was a great read and a pro-click. In any kind of Christian theology, suicide is a sin because it is murder. While I can't speak to any given church's ruling on her soul in this situation, if you simply have someone else commit the murder for you, you're condemning them to eternal hellfire instead (or as well).
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Hint: Religion is loopholes within loopholes within loopholes.
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Rabbit Hill posted:We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance Example
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The Aral Sea in 1989 vs. 2014. Formerly the fourth largest lake on the planet.
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benito posted:The Aral Sea in 1989 vs. 2014. Formerly the fourth largest lake on the planet. Heh, and the liberal media is saying sea levels are rising. That'll show 'em! 
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New Leaf posted:Heh, and the liberal media is saying sea levels are rising. That'll show 'em! To be fair this has less to do with climate change and more to do with Soviet attempts at man made famine.
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benito posted:The Aral Sea in 1989 vs. 2014. Formerly the fourth largest lake on the planet. All we need is a big conveyor belt from the North Pole to there and then it's just a matter of loading chunks of ice.
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Laserjet 4P posted:All we need is a big conveyor belt from the North Pole to there and then it's just a matter of loading chunks of ice.
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PresidentBeard posted:To be fair this has less to do with climate change and more to do with Soviet attempts at man made famine. The Soviet Union was basically every mad scientist's wet dream, if you had a theory that you could grow peas in the winter or that women should gently caress monkeys then Stalin would give you the means to fulfill that dream: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Ivanovich_Ivanov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Pavlov (Pavlov was probably the most scientific of the bunch, but still, dude surgically altered children so that he could collect their saliva).
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Alhazred posted:The Soviet Union was basically every mad scientist's wet dream, if you had a theory that you could grow peas in the winter or that women should gently caress monkeys then Stalin would give you the means to fulfill that dream: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Ivanovich_Ivanov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Pavlov Not to mention what they did to dogs. Head transplants, sending Laika to space to die... quote:Work with animals is a source of suffering to all of us. We treat them like babies who cannot speak. The more time passes, the more I'm sorry about it. We shouldn't have done it... We did not learn enough from this mission to justify the death of the dog. 
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benito posted:Not to mention what they did to dogs. Head transplants, sending Laika to space to die... The Drones did a great, and angry, song about the simple cruelty of Laika. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66seXrzECmA
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CrotchDropJeans posted:Seriously? Even a teenager from a 50's hick town should have no problem figuring out that just because somebody asks doesn't mean you have to do it. And weighing her body down in water, lying to cops about it, and then telling the police you didn't think you'd get caught so quickly doesn't exactly give the impression that he was forced into participating in her suicide plot. I know that social attitudes and resources for mental health were completely different back then, but the fact that she asked several other people to do it and none of them even considered it kind of makes it obvious that he was a willing participant in her death when he didn't have to be. I got the sense that he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. I don't know why but the way they described him in the article made him sound like a huge autist or with a low IQ at the very least. I think the fact that he did follow through with it is evidence of his mental handicap. He wasn't some sort of cunning killer, he was persuaded to do a bad thing by someone he had cared for. I'm not trying to make her out to be the villain here (though it sounds like Narcissistic PD runs in her family) but he's also not the bad guy in this case in my opinion. He definitely didn't have to do it and he definitely shouldn't have done it but I get the sense that none of that poo poo ever occurred to him because he was a grade A idiot. That being said, it would have been really hard for someone of her means to actually find psych help, let alone afford the medication they would no doubt throw at her. All of which comes after trying to get her parents to go along with it and considering their strained relationship I don't forsee her getting any mental health help anytime soon.
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benito posted:Not to mention what they did to dogs. Head transplants, sending Laika to space to die... After seeing the various bits about Laika in the SA Quotes thread I can't possibly find her sad.
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Went looking for the 2-headed dog thing and ended up here: http://www.nairaland.com/1897451/scariest-real-life-experiments-ever   for bodies.drat we're capable of some cruel and brutal things. V That's most of the stuff on the link, only a bit of it is dogs. Nettle Soup has a new favorite as of 19:55 on Jan 25, 2015 |
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Eh the Soviets starved millions of people to death on purpose and killed millions more in gulags (not always on purpose) so I have a hard time getting unnerved about a couple of dogs.
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I can't remember exactly where I saw it, but I remember a comedian joking that Laika was the most extreme lengths that, we, collectively as a species, have gone to to murder a dog.
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BattleMaster posted:Eh the Soviets starved millions of people to death on purpose and killed millions more in gulags (not always on purpose) so I have a hard time getting unnerved about a couple of dogs. I was a vegetarian for 22 years for ethical reasons and I feel bad when I kill bugs and I still agree with you. Human life is always more valuable.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I was a vegetarian for 22 years for ethical reasons and I feel bad when I kill bugs and I still agree with you. Human life is always more valuable. There was a taco shop a few years ago that offered, as a gimmick, a day in which you could buy lion tacos. I guess the lions were farm raised in the US, and the meat was legally obtained. The guy ended up cancelling it, because he got so many credible death threats to himself and his family. 
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canyoneer posted:There was a taco shop a few years ago that offered, as a gimmick, a day in which you could buy lion tacos. I guess the lions were farm raised in the US, and the meat was legally obtained. There was a place in AZ that did the same thing but made lion hamburgers.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I was a vegetarian for 22 years for ethical reasons and I feel bad when I kill bugs and I still agree with you. Human life is always more valuable. It's not always a zero-sum game. I don't want people beaten to death in prison, but I can also try to prevent Unilever from killing rabbits to test deodorant while advocating for prison reform.
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It's alright to dislike two things at once while recognizing that one is worse than the other. Let's get back on topic folks
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blunt for century posted:It's alright to dislike two things at once while recognizing that one is worse than the other. Let's get back on topic folks It's never been on topic. This was a thread about scary Oregon articles that went horribly wrong, but I just rolled with it.
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peter gabriel posted:Where does the ham come from in a lion hamburger? Hamburg, the city.
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Wasabi the J posted:Hamburg, the city. Brb, it's the ingredient my local shop doesn't sell
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RNG posted:Content! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_circus_fire Oh man, poor "Little Miss". Jesus, that's heartbreaking.
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RNG posted:Content! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_circus_fire It's alluded to in the wiki summary, but I remember hearing once that the heroes of the day were little boys with pocketknives, who slashed open the tent walls to make exits. edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Hermosillo_daycare_center_fire quote:It was reported that the fire began in a tire warehouse next door and then spread to the child care centre. Further investigations revealed that the real source of the fire was on another warehouse, operated by the state government. Just a few minutes after, the fire caused the collapse of a roof section which fell over the children, infants and employees below. One of the first men on the scene reported that all children were unconscious or dead, and there were no children crying. 
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RNG posted:Content! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_circus_fire I knew about the fire, but I did like this line in the article: quote:(the 168 figure is usually based on official tallies that included a collection of body parts that were listed as a "victim") On the theme of major fires that have fallen out of popular consciousness, there's always the General Slocum disaster. Otherwise known as, "Why you don't fill life preservers with iron as a way to fool the inspectors."
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Phobophilia posted:Why on earth do life preservers have a weight requirement? If someone is drowning, you want something you can throw to them. It's harder to throw a leaf than a rock.
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New Leaf posted:If someone is drowning, you want something you can throw to them. It's harder to throw a leaf than a rock. The article also said that the weight was being used to hide the fact that the preservers were made with less effective granulated cork against regulations, so the weight requirement was probably a simple (if ineffective) way to try to weed out such manufacturers.
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LOCUST FART HELL posted:I can't remember exactly where I saw it, but I remember a comedian joking that Laika was the most extreme lengths that, we, collectively as a species, have gone to to murder a dog. quote:the dog was certainly scared as hell and probably making GBS threads + pissing during launch so it was a dog corpse covered in fecal matter quote:the dog that got cooked to death in space is memorialized with a statue in moscow, commemorating the millions of dollars and man hours used to murder a stray dog in an elaborate way quote:after laika the russians killed two more dogs in space by blowing them up with remote explosive charges, lol quote:i hope i'm alive the next time we as a species collectively dedicate that much effort and manpower and technological innovation towards executing an animal, maybe like dunking a sheep into a black hole or something
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