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I'd love a Vicky 3 too. There's really no other strategy game out there like Vicky 2 where the economy is actually run by your people who have their own needs rather than some kind of weird control freak leader entity that decides literally every building that gets constructed in your entire empire. It's also really interesting that wars actually take a chunk out of your population. Every other game basically has military units kind of appear out of thin air when you build them.
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ZombieLenin posted:Dear Paradox (Wiz are you listening), I'm like 90% sure that Victoria 3 is in the planning stages right now. Give them some time, they're still crunching out an absolutely major release.
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Jan 25, 2015 18:28
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Wasn't a big problem with vanilla Victoria II that you had very little control over your economy compared to the first game, making you feel powerless? It's one of the main reasons I never bought it. I really like fiddling around with the settings in the trade window in Victoria: Revolutions. Even pop splitting appeals to me, even though it makes no sense as a mechanic.
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Jan 25, 2015 18:37
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There must be a Victoria 3, if only so I can lead glorious Eire from 769 to 1954 or whenever HOI4 will end.
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Jan 25, 2015 18:50
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ZombieLenin posted:Dear Paradox (Wiz are you listening), CK2 is almost 3 years old. Sorry, had to correct you there because you saying 4 years made me feel way, way too old. Now I feel old, but less so. That said, I agree with you, I want Vicky 3.
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Jan 25, 2015 19:29
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If i recall correctly the German positioning in the East was almost tailored so you could start the game, encircle the majority of the Soviet Army and destroy the supply-less Reds with ease.
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Jan 25, 2015 19:48
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Spakstik posted:There must be a Victoria 3, if only so I can lead glorious Eire from 769 to 1954 or whenever HOI4 will end. This there. Right here. I will buy all the Converter DLCs. All of them. All the games. All the DLCs.
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Jan 25, 2015 19:56
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Mans posted:If i recall correctly the German positioning in the East was almost tailored so you could start the game, encircle the majority of the Soviet Army and destroy the supply-less Reds with ease. Yes, but there was a lot a fanagling you needed to figure out to stay in supply. Call me slow, but it took me forever to figure out that the 11 (I can't remember the exact number) German HQs were killing you.
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Phlegmish posted:Wasn't a big problem with vanilla Victoria II that you had very little control over your economy compared to the first game, making you feel powerless? It's one of the main reasons I never bought it. I really like fiddling around with the settings in the trade window in Victoria: Revolutions. Even pop splitting appeals to me, even though it makes no sense as a mechanic. The biggest problem for me was having no impact or control over my country. Even as a dictatorship, I couldn't do anything to my people to whip them into the economic power houses my country needed. even in democracies you should have the ability to have stronger influences over your people than is represented. I'm pretty sure it's been brought up before, but the insanely fast increase in literacy for the soviets is impossible in Victoria II. If anything, technology should allow you greater control but at the risk of greater inflaming the people. You should always be worried your people will overthrow you. Democracies would be different, but the fact that overnight change never really happens always bothered me. Democracy overthrown? You're playing the same way as you did before. Nothing largely changes. Also, have fun as state capitalism in a large country like Russia. 
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Jan 25, 2015 22:58
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Bel Monte posted:The biggest problem for me was having no impact or control over my country. Even as a dictatorship, I couldn't do anything to my people to whip them into the economic power houses my country needed. even in democracies you should have the ability to have stronger influences over your people than is represented. I'm pretty sure it's been brought up before, but the insanely fast increase in literacy for the soviets is impossible in Victoria II. If anything, technology should allow you greater control but at the risk of greater inflaming the people. You should always be worried your people will overthrow you. Democracies would be different, but the fact that overnight change never really happens always bothered me. Democracy overthrown? You're playing the same way as you did before. Nothing largely changes. Well I agree. One of the only things Stalin was right about was his assertion that the Soviet Union managed to do in 20 years what took capitalist countries 300. And while we are at it, the whole post 1900 gameplay... I'm not complaining, for the most part CK, EU, Vicky and HOI (not HOI3) model things pretty well; however, really the Paradox trinity really deserves at least 6 separate games. 
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Jan 25, 2015 23:02
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Bel Monte posted:The biggest problem for me was having no impact or control over my country. Even as a dictatorship, I couldn't do anything to my people to whip them into the economic power houses my country needed. even in democracies you should have the ability to have stronger influences over your people than is represented. I'm pretty sure it's been brought up before, but the insanely fast increase in literacy for the soviets is impossible in Victoria II. If anything, technology should allow you greater control but at the risk of greater inflaming the people. *I'm thinking the game could do with both laws, which are longer term stuff like who can vote and whether unions are allowed, and shorter term stuff like current policies. Policies in this case would be both radical stuff like pushing literacy very hard, but also the current policies of political parties in Victoria II. In this case, those policies wouldn't be implemented immediately, rather the strength of the various parties would determine how quickly new policies were implemented. I suppose you could make it so the player could veto shifts in policy in certain government types, which would cause militancy among supporters but reset the move toward the new policy.
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They could do a lot of that by expanding the national focus options and making them generally more effective. In Vicky 2 they're useful, but tend to work more as a subtle background thing rather than ushering sweeping changes.
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Jan 26, 2015 00:25
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You guys are getting me way too excited over a purely hypothetical game 
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Jan 26, 2015 00:25
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The most important feature would still be Linux compatibility.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:They could do a lot of that by expanding the national focus options and making them generally more effective. In Vicky 2 they're useful, but tend to work more as a subtle background thing rather than ushering sweeping changes. Yeah I like the economy being something that you can somewhat effect but not have complete control, but it would be nice if radical industrializing was actually possible. Instead of every country basically industrializing at the same pace. Make it have consequences similar to westernizing and we will be set.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:They could do a lot of that by expanding the national focus options and making them generally more effective. In Vicky 2 they're useful, but tend to work more as a subtle background thing rather than ushering sweeping changes. CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah I like the economy being something that you can somewhat effect but not have complete control, but it would be nice if radical industrializing was actually possible. Instead of every country basically industrializing at the same pace. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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Jan 26, 2015 01:16
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You are all going to be so pissed when it's another Rome
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:You are all going to be so pissed when it's another Rome Heresy. Burn him. He is not of right thought. 
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:You are all going to be so pissed when it's another Rome If Rome to Rome 2 is as big a jump in quality as CK to CK2, I will buy it on release day and then spend ten years sleeping and stabbing my way to the throne of the Roman Empire.
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:You are all going to be Fixed that for you. 
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Yeah the only Paradox game I don't give a poo poo about is HOI, so I would be pumped either way.
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HOI is cool. Just today I finished a Darkest Hour game where I managed to lose against Nationalist China as Japan. It took me until 1945 to conquer half of China, and then partisans hosed with my Transport Capacity so all of my frontline units were out of supply. You know what, I still had fun. Still wondering what strategy I could have used to wrap things up sooner. I don't think I was even playing that badly. My troops were vastly superior, but they just have so many Militia divisions.
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:You are all going to be so pissed when it's another Rome I'd honestly be more excited for that
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Phlegmish posted:Still wondering what strategy I could have used to wrap things up sooner. I don't think I was even playing that badly. My troops were vastly superior, but they just have so many Militia divisions. Step One: Don't start a land war in China. China's manpower reserves are utterly ridiculous, so much that I've seen events in other mods designed specifically to cut down on the militia spam.
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Jan 26, 2015 02:31
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Kavak posted:Step One: Don't start a land war in China. Step 2: Never bet against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
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Someone made this thing and posted in the Kaiserreich thread on Paradox Plaza. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE0bOfX6HMc It's a reference to this, for anyone unirradiated by anime exposure.
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Kavak posted:Step One: Don't start a land war in China. But I was winning! After eight years of grueling warfare and inflicting 15 million casualties, I finally had the upper hand. And then those goddamn partisans overburdened my TC and I started getting pushed back again. I also learned the valuable lesson of putting troops where your air force is based so your planes don't get instantly destroyed when there's an uprising. This time I'm going to play as the United States, if I still lose now I'm just bad at the game.
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The thing I enjoyed most in V2 were millions of Jacobin rebels as a democracy with all political reforms except Upper House composition and Voting System fully liberalized. "What's that you're already fighting 300k worth of rebels? Well gently caress you, the next batch is gonna rise up while the first one is already revolting". GrossMurpel fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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ZombieLenin posted:Heresy. Burn him. He is not of right thought. Give me the second half of Roman history. That's basically unaddressed. Basically, the first Rome game expects you to play a big civilized state taking larger and larger parts of the Mediterranean with internal political machinations providing most of the drama. Barbarians get some service but aren't really fleshed out enough to properly play as. The second half has this entirely reversed. This is the era of barbarians, for sure. Now it's all about your tribe, its population, moving across the land, settling down, packing back up, negotiating autocephaly with the Byzantine Emperor in exchange for protective services...
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GrossMurpel posted:The thing I enjoyed most in V2 were millions of Jacobin rebels as a democracy with all political reforms except Upper House composition and Voting System fully liberalized. This too. Capitalists go from  to  in half a wine glass. Add to that the way you encourage your people towards an ideology AND factory work is to intentionally make them starving and mad, is just bizarre. Why am I trying to piss people off towards communism? Shouldn't they be getting pissed on naturally if it's got a foothold in my country? I'm making boat loads of money without giving anyone but my richest 1% tons of money while my people starve, that should make them gravitate heavily towards socialism and communism. But they don't half the time. They stay conservative or liberal, yet neither party makes a single difference in their lives! And the capitalists revolt anyway because you're still not giving them a big enough slice of the drat pie. I'm just going to roll over when communists rebel their 1k soldiers and tax you capitalist pig dogs to death, agghhh! 
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Bel Monte posted:This too. Most realistic modern political simulator I've ever heard.
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GrossMurpel posted:The thing I enjoyed most in V2 were millions of Jacobin rebels as a democracy with all political reforms except Upper House composition and Voting System fully liberalized. Get the "Age of Politics" mod.
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Phlegmish posted:HOI is cool. Just today I finished a Darkest Hour game where I managed to lose against Nationalist China as Japan. It took me until 1945 to conquer half of China, and then partisans hosed with my Transport Capacity so all of my frontline units were out of supply. You know what, I still had fun. It's gimmicky but building some armored and motorized divisions, letting the nationalists break into northern Manchuria, encircling them and then rinse and repeat is the easiest way.
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Kavak posted:Someone made this thing and posted in the Kaiserreich thread on Paradox Plaza. This is the best. Now change the Kaiserreich thread title to "Please Ungern-Sternberg, promise me you will conquer the universe."
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ZombieLenin posted:Well I agree. One of the only things Stalin was right about was his assertion that the Soviet Union managed to do in 20 years what took capitalist countries 300. That might be true, but he killed at least 20 million people to do so. That's not exactly an endorsement or invitation to imitate him. quote:The second half has this entirely reversed. This is the era of barbarians, for sure. Now it's all about your tribe, its population, moving across the land, settling down, packing back up, negotiating autocephaly with the Byzantine Emperor in exchange for protective services... The Rome Total War - Barbarian invasion was indeed a great game.
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The trick to beating China as Japan is to spam militia yourself and beat them with your superior doctrines. The problem with China is that it's huge and full of mountains. Militia help you quickly expand your army to fill the space, and are really good at fighting in bad terrain. They're like spammable mountaineers. Aim to have enough militia to fill every province in a horizontal line across the widest point of the country with 9 divisions. You also want enough HQs to have one per three provinces on this line. One common misconception in DH is that militia are bad units that should be upgraded to infantry as soon as possible. This is inaccurate - their niche is bad terrain.
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Dibujante posted:Give me the second half of Roman history. That's basically unaddressed. At The Gates. I backed this so hard.
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Riso posted:That might be true, but he killed at least 20 million people to do so. That's not exactly an endorsement or invitation to imitate him. I would never advise imitating Stalin. That's just silly. Now saying that, those murdered people had less to do with Soviet industrialization and more to do with megalomania. quote:The Rome Total War - Barbarian invasion was indeed a great game. Indeed it was.
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Riso posted:That might be true, but he killed at least 20 million people to do so. That's not exactly an endorsement or invitation to imitate him. Now, I'm not defending the guy as he did a bunch of stuff that was absolutely repugnant and pretty much no punishment could possibly make up for what he did. But lets be brutally honest here, its not like history hasn't reliably proven that one of the fastest and most effective routes to getting poo poo done is big pile of dead slave bodies.
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