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I understand that instant deaths suck, but PS2 is full of them and nothing short of bringing back the PS1 TTK will fix it. Complaining about the NC max killing you when you get close to one is stupid because in that situation you probably would have died 9 time out of 10 to any of the other maxes. If I walk up to a blueshift max and die I don't complain about how OP they are.
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what happened posted:NC maxes actually explode if they try to shoot something more than 10m out I'm talking about shotgun arms without slugs.
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Jan 26, 2015 05:57
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so was i
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what happened posted:so was i So you think the shotgun arms compare well with the other factions AI arms at longer range?
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Jan 26, 2015 06:00
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when did i say that????
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Jan 26, 2015 06:01
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what happened posted:when did i say that???? Periphery posted:And be useless at anything past 10m while the other maxes only perform slightly worse at the extreme close range fights but outclass the shotguns at everything else. Why did you laugh at this?
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Jan 26, 2015 06:04
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its p. funny
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Jan 26, 2015 06:04
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Westy543 posted:Make sure to harvest your a2am tears while you can, Higby wants to make them easily dodgeable by ESFs so that they're anti-lib / anti-gal torpedoes. Coyotes will be the "air shotgun" skill equalizer weapon, and he's gonna take another look at them too. Also Valk buffs. Guess higby flies more than I thought! Seriously though, if they really want to make lockons into SKYTORPEDOS (why??) for use against lib and galaxies maybe they'll end up doing more damage and actually be worth shooting at said targets, and you can still hit esfs with luck! Just kidding, they'll be the same but even slower in the air. Nosegun airautist supremacy shall reign once more Synnr fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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Jan 26, 2015 06:05
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what happened posted:its p. funny Why?
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Jan 26, 2015 06:06
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i think its pretty self evident but i guess some people just dont understand humor
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Jan 26, 2015 06:09
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what happened posted:i think its pretty self evident but i guess some people just dont understand humor rofl
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Jan 26, 2015 06:11
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Periphery posted:rofl
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Jan 26, 2015 06:11
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I love this thread
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Jan 26, 2015 06:32
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Synnr posted:Guess higby flies more than I thought! It also sounds like Coyote buffs, so they'll just start crying about those again.
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Jan 26, 2015 06:39
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i dont think easymode weapons are the answer to the state of the airgame
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Jan 26, 2015 06:44
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sticky grenades should lock onto heavy assaults like coyotes
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Jan 26, 2015 06:49
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Westy543 posted:I love this thread 
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Jan 26, 2015 06:49
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ndub posted:EMP grenades should lock onto heavy assaults like coyotes ftfy what happened posted:i dont think easymode weapons are the answer to the state of the airgame There isn't an answer because no two people can agree on what the question is
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Jan 26, 2015 06:53
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guys our max is only the best at like 100% of possible scenarios BUT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW HARD IT IS - the NC, forever
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Jan 26, 2015 06:56
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go3 posted:guys our max is only the best at like 100% of possible scenarios BUT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS Actually I believe this was the argument from last page
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Away all Goats posted:Actually I believe this was the argument from last page Party like it's page 486.
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Jan 26, 2015 07:22
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVx28g4rlLA The beginning of this video actually shows one of the best examples of what most people mean when they talk about movement meta, from SirCerealBox, probably one of the top NC infantry players in the game. No coincidence he is also part of Recursion He actually doesn't do it much in the video so you don't need to watch the whole thing unless you enjoy baron + slug ownage. I forgot to add that looking down a bit really makes your head hitbox distorted and near impossible to tag so if you are trying to be as slippery as possible, look down a bit too
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Mustarde posted:I forgot to add that looking down a bit really makes your head hitbox distorted and near impossible to tag so if you are trying to be as slippery as possible, look down a bit too This is hilariously effective, if a bit disorienting. The player model actually tracks camera movement (your mouse movement) pretty well, including "realistic depictions" of looking down - and by that I mean hiding your head because the model has animated it down to shoulder level while you look at your feet. You can do some really entertaining things by moving erratically, jamming medkits, and staring at the ground while panicking to dodge bullets.
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http://ps2alerts.com/Alert/2373 And thus concludes my reign of terror on VS. Until next double XP weekend! With any luck the Light PPA will continue to be hilariously overpowered. 
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YoursTruly posted:With any luck the Light PPA will continue to be hilariously overpowered. With any luck idiots will continue to hover while shooting it so I can get those sweet, sweet Air Deterrence ribbons. The fact that I can only play for an hour or so on weekends is why I didn't buy membership for so long. Shame, this weekend felt broken as gently caress, I spawned in for a base defense, dropped an ammo pack for a pair of Infiltrators hanging out in the spawn room and got shot half way to the point - 60 certs earned...somehow.
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Wait if i designed A2AM's they would be fire and forget with prox fuses but all ESF's would have flares AND chaff with ammo as default. Nose cannons would be a knife fight weapon that was absolutely useless at range. The air game would be a 500-600m missile war with each ESF only carrying 2-4 with the ability to equip a max of 8 if you sacrificed a slot like nade bando. You would lock an ESF by moving your reticule over them, get a tone then fire a missile and hope that your target has used all his counter measures. Have 2 types of missiles, heat and radar with heat being faster and shorter range and radar being more accurate and longer range.You will get a radar lock warning when a radar tracking missile is in the air and when a plane is locking on to you--you get no warning when a heat seeker is on you. A direct hit by a missile will basically kill your ESF unless you can land it and repair--no FS or auto repair to instantly bring you back into the fight. The good news is missiles will have tracking and damage stats so a good pilot can evade missiles. The nose gun is a weapon of last resort when your out of missiles or when you want to finish off a wounded enemy. My airgame would be fast and brutal with skill being only a small factor. The biggest factor would be the rock/paper/scissors balance, proper loadouts will dominate other loadouts with mixed loadouts being encouraged. ESF's would have a life expectancy of 2 minutes in a fight, you either win or you die. You would have intense dog fights that end very quickly with you either killing the guy or him killing you then you would return to rearm. Getting jumped with no missiles or empty counter measures would basically mean your dead unless you manage to out fly your opponent.
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Jan 26, 2015 11:08
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So A2As are going to become Hornets? Slow, lovely, and useless, got it.
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Jan 26 Daily sale: M-77B / Gauss SPR / XM98 (these are only 100 certs) Members sale: Urban Forest Camo
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sitchelin posted:So A2As are going to become Hornets? Slow, lovely, and useless, got it. Hornets are neither lovely nor useless.
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Jan 26, 2015 11:45
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How to fix the air game: select ESFs, press delete. Watch the spergs spontaneously immolate. Bring marshmallows.
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Mustarde posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVx28g4rlLA That's a good example of what I meant when I said the Zuka, the guy in my gif, stopped too early. You can see cerealbox goes 'back and forth' 3 full times before stopping.
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Gonkish posted:How to fix the air game: select ESF's A2G weapons, press delete. Watch the spergs spontaneously immolate. Bring marshmallows. ftfy
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Jan 26, 2015 13:56
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No no, Gonk had it right the first time.
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I dunno Fuzz, I think it might actually be funnier to watch skygods slowly wither away when the realize they can't easily farm infantry any more.
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Keeshhound posted:I dunno Fuzz, I think it might actually be funnier to watch skygods slowly wither away when the realize they can't easily farm infantry any more. Keesh has got the right of it. Let the autists suffer, and if they really want to shoot infantry they can get good and do it with a nosegun that doesn't have splash. I still take offense to the idea that all ESF pilots are useless and will fight you irl over it 
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Valk buff idea: nitro boost that goes in the flares/fire suppression slot
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I'd be happy if every AI nosegun got nerfed down to the level of the Banshee, but we'd just see a rise in A2G rockets again (which are still comically effective vs. infantry but for some reason aren't used that often any more). Delete all AI noseguns, remove splash entirely from A2G rockets. Make fire suppression a single-level upgrade which only brings the ESF's health just barely back above being on fire, regardless of when it's used (instead of being a flat heal maxing out at 25% which is abusrd). Remove NAR from ESFs entirely (get hosed bailassaults)  Then do some stuff that makes AA more effective at close range but not as effective at dinging air at long distance I guess, relegate ESFs to anti esf/lib/valk roles mainly. Manslaughter posted:Valk buff idea: nitro boost that goes in the flares/fire suppression slot Valk should just get default afterburners a la the ESFs
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Move the AI nose gun and Secondary ESF weapons to the Valk. Add a modified Koltyr map where you can only spawn ESFs and can't capture territory. Airspergs can gently caress off to their own little poo poo sty, everyone else gets better gameplay. Everyone Wins.
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The problem with air is that we're supposed to have ESFs as air-superiority fighters, Libs as bombers, Gals as big tough support craft, and Valks for close-in infantry support. Instead we have ESFs as air-superiority, ESFs as bombers, ESFs as big tough support craft, and ESFs for close-in infantry support. Oh and all four of those are the same loadout.
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