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DigitalRaven posted:Madison Jeffries, noted robosexual and ex-member of third-rate cannon fodder Alpha Flight. Thanks! What's he up to these days? SalTheBard posted:I'm really scared about All New Hawkeye only because Hawkeye has been consistently one of my favorite comics of the last 2 years (shipping issues aside) Lemire is fuckin' great, as mentioned. If you haven't read Sweet Tooth ... why haven't you? It's good, he's good. I haven't read any of his DC stuff though. I've got high hopes and very little fear.
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A Tin Of Beans posted:Lemire is fuckin' great, as mentioned. If you haven't read Sweet Tooth ... why haven't you? It's good, he's good. I haven't read any of his DC stuff though. I've got high hopes and very little fear. Read his Green Arrow.
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Jan 24, 2015 03:23
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A Tin Of Beans posted:Thanks! What's he up to these days? Not a drat thing, sadly.
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Jan 24, 2015 03:46
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I thought Alpha Flight died. (again)
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Jan 25, 2015 05:04
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SynthOrange posted:I thought Alpha Flight died. (again) That was Omega Flight.
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Jan 25, 2015 05:15
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The Goon posted:Right right, but in my equally long and storied career of collecting funny books, this is the first time that I can recall where they've officially pronounced the Marvel Universe as ending. Not even Heroes Reborn went that far. Just saying the odds of a reboot are not as improbable as you seem to think. Of course they make 'official pronouncements' to promote events without a "ehhh, I mean, you know this is just for the event right?" They made official pronouncements about how all the X-Men books were cancelled and now it's the Age of Apocalypse forever but that did not result in a reboot. They said officially that Peter Parker was dead and the Superior Spider-Man will be Spider-Man forever and all of Peter Parker's supporting cast will slowly fade away as the decades progress and one day people will become accustomed to the new cast. It is hyping up an event. I don't know why you keep citing it as some sort of binding legal contract. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Jan 25, 2015 |
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Jan 25, 2015 15:53
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Yeah even after the announcement I'd give it a 50/50 shot at best that an actual reboot goes down. Ultimate is going to get merged, hell all the popular what-ifs might get merged but they'll probably just acknowledge the event merged them for a few years then stop and pretend it was always that way. Marvel takes pride in not rebooting and just rolling with the big punches believing that it shows how enduring their characters and the universe they created is.
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Jan 25, 2015 17:14
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SirDan3k posted:Yeah even after the announcement I'd give it a 50/50 shot at best that an actual reboot goes down. I'd call it closer to one-in-50. Not impossible but hardly likely. It's an excuse to kill off the pathetic drooling shell of the Ultimate Universe without losing Miles Morales, and maybe consolidate a few other alt-universe things into the main one, with the option of "revealing" other consolidations later as the ideas crop up, and lastly to provide another mythical "jumping-on point" for the entire universe that hopefully a couple hundred people will take advantage of. Worst case ontario, it's another SIXIS where half the titles get on board right away and the others get around to the new status quo on their own time. Best case, it's a big fun event where ALL the toys are mashed together but it all makes sense in the end and also the X-Men 92 book is rad.
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Jan 25, 2015 17:30
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What I can't get past is this: if Marvel is really about to reboot/relaunch their whole line this fall, why on earth are they launching so many new ongoing books mere months before Secret Wars? (Including, again, a major new Inhumans book launching just one month before SW.)* I can really only think of two explanations: A. Marvel is lying about SW and All-New Marvel having been planned well in advance, and the latter is in fact an even more rushed, slapped-together effort than the New 52 was. B. The new ongoings are collectively an elaborate smokescreen to conceal their plans to relaunch later in the year. Neither of these scenarios seem particularly plausible to me, somehow, but feel free to disagree. *Alonso and Brevoort have implied that there will be new ongoings launching during SW (see the last Alonso quote here), which would pretty much kill the notion of any sort of line-wide relaunch right there, but that's not 100% confirmed yet and could just be referring to miniseries, so take that FWIW.
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Barry Convex posted:What I can't get past is this: if Marvel is really about to reboot/relaunch their whole line this fall, why on earth are they launching so many new ongoing books mere months before Secret Wars? (Including, again, a major new Inhumans book launching just one month before SW.)* C. It's not a relaunch and Battleworld will exist only to teleport Miles Morales & a few others into 616 and then things will carry on as normal.
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Jan 25, 2015 20:01
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Putting Miles in 616 is pretty much the same as killing him off.
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Jan 25, 2015 20:06
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Lurdiak posted:Putting Miles in 616 is pretty much the same as killing him off. The slow death of B-listitis is a sad thing to see.
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KayTee posted:C. It's not a relaunch and Battleworld will exist only to teleport Miles Morales & a few others into 616 and then things will carry on as normal. Well, yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I'm saying is the most likely outcome by far.
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Jan 25, 2015 20:08
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Maybe with Miles around, Marvel will let Peter get married and have kids because you have your young, single Spider-Man around too!
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Jan 25, 2015 20:10
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There won't be a reboot, but there will be a lot of relaunches and retcons galore, because no matter what Marvel says about never retconning: it's never true. I'm assuming Avengers in particular will get bumped back down to #1, because Marvel can't let a comic go past 30 issues for too long to save their lives anymore. Miles and some of his supporting cast will make it over to 616 for sure. Really it's just annoying how they're hyping it up to sound like a reboot by saying poo poo like "the Marvel universe as you know it is gone forever." New 52 isn't that much different from Pre-Flashpoint when you really look into it hard enough and I assume Marvel will do something similar.
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Jan 25, 2015 20:12
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What if Miles permanently becomes the main Spider-Man?
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Lurdiak posted:Putting Miles in 616 is pretty much the same as killing him off. Miles seems to be on life support as it is, so maybe this would help him. Though once Bendis is gone yeah he is gonna die the quick death of B-listers, but the Ultimate universe wasn't gonna save him. Making Miles the teen spiderman and Peter the married one would be neat, but they don't have the stones to do it.
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Codependent Poster posted:Maybe with Miles around, Marvel will let Peter get married and have kids because you have your young, single Spider-Man around too! BAHAHAHAHAHAhahaha *sob*
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lotus circle posted:Really it's just annoying how they're hyping it up to sound like a reboot by saying poo poo like "the Marvel universe as you know it is gone forever." New 52 isn't that much different from Pre-Flashpoint when you really look into it hard enough and I assume Marvel will do something similar. I don't really understand that. With a few exceptions, they altogether scrapped the vast majority of pre-Flashpoint continuity not tied to the Green Lantern and Batman franchises, and still changed large chunks of the latter. All told, it's probably the most drastic continuity change in DC's history.
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Jan 25, 2015 20:18
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WickedHate posted:What if Miles permanently becomes the main Spider-Man? That would suck because the last couple issues of Miles" series have started to catch up in quality with Bendis' other current work.
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Jan 25, 2015 20:23
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Miles is almost certainly going be relaunched in 616 as Spider-boy. It's pretty much all they're missing at this point.
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CharlestheHammer posted:and Peter the married one Did I miss something? Has OMD finally been completely undone? Rhyno posted:Miles is almost certainly going be relaunched in 616 as Spider-boy. It's pretty much all they're missing at this point. They'll probably still give him the title Ultimate Spider-Man.
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Jan 25, 2015 20:37
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Rhyno posted:Miles is almost certainly going be relaunched in 616 as Spider-boy. It's pretty much all they're missing at this point. Making a black character Spider-Man, even in an alternate universe was a fairly progressive move by Marvel. Relegating that character to Spider-Boy would be a shockingly dumb action.
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Jan 25, 2015 20:47
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No reason not to have two Spider-men, like we have two Hawkeyes at the moment. Granted, one of them is Lady Hawkguy.
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SilverSupernova posted:Did I miss something? Has OMD finally been completely undone? Probably not but there's a bit of hope: one of the alternate realities in Battleworld involve Peter married with MJ and with a daughter, he shows up in Spider-verse for a few pages. It could end up being meaningless or maybe he'll replace regular Peter somehow.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Probably not but there's a bit of hope: one of the alternate realities in Battleworld involve Peter married with MJ and with a daughter, he shows up in Spider-verse for a few pages. It could end up being meaningless or maybe he'll replace regular Peter somehow. Didn't that one die in Spider-Verse or is this another one? hope and vaseline posted:No reason not to have two Spider-men, like we have two Hawkeyes at the moment. Granted, one of them is Lady Hawkguy. I believe you meant to say 3 Hawkeyes 
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Skwirl posted:Making a black character Spider-Man, even in an alternate universe was a fairly progressive move by Marvel. Relegating that character to Spider-Boy would be a shockingly dumb action. I suppose so, but even in the imaginary scene Miles assumed he'd be the side-kick.
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SilverSupernova posted:Didn't that one die in Spider-Verse or is this another one? You're thinking of the father of Spider-Girl. The Renew Your Vows Spidey showed up (still as Spider-Man, as opposed to being retired) alive and well.
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Barry Convex posted:I don't really understand that. With a few exceptions, they altogether scrapped the vast majority of pre-Flashpoint continuity not tied to the Green Lantern and Batman franchises, and still changed large chunks of the latter. All told, it's probably the most drastic continuity change in DC's history. Marvel will likely do the same -- change some of the history, but the writing will be more or less the exact same despite that.
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They should honestly just let Hawkeye vs Deadpool (vs. Crime) be an ongoing. It's been the funniest book I've read in a longtime and a good use of all three of the title characters.
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I'd love to see Duggan and Lolli continue with a collective spinoff of Hawkeye/Deadpool in Superior Hawkeye (feat. Dead pool). Surprise, Deadpool has rented a new apartment/safe house/vacation condo, and his wacky new neighbor is Hawkeye(s)!
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Rhyno posted:I suppose so, but even in the imaginary scene Miles assumed he'd be the side-kick. Do you seriously not understand the issue with calling Miles Morales Spider-Boy?
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Jan 26, 2015 09:49
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But what about Spider-Lad?
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Angry Walrus posted:But what about Spider-Lad? That would be fine, as would Spider-Kid, but look up your loving American History.
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Skwirl posted:That would be fine, as would Spider-Kid, but look up your loving American History. You're right that it is a racial slur but I think its entered the common vernacular as more of a southern colloquialism than as just purely racist. Also it was used as a racist term against black men, so I don't think a lot of people would jump to the conclusion that its racist because I'd say a fair portion of people still consider teenagers young boys and not men.
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It would still be super, super racist.
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Jan 26, 2015 10:45
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They should just make him white so calling him Spiderboy wouldn't be racist 
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Jan 26, 2015 10:47
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Just have Peter be The Amazing Spider-Man and Miles be the Spectacular Spider-Man.
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WickedHate posted:It would still be super, super racist. Calling someone who is a boy, a boy, is not inherently racist no matter what color their skin color is. Calling a black man a boy in order to demean them and suggest that they cannot be men due to the color of their skin is racist. It has a racist connotation when applied to black people as a racial slur, but changing his title to conform to a literal change in age is not racist. However I can see how people would find it offensive to the character to go from calling him 'man' in one book to 'boy' in another because that's an actual step backwards for the character. To call it a racist move is overreaching given the actual age of the character. If he was 20 yeah I'd probably agree. To my knowledge Miles is like 15 though, so you really gotta stretch to call it racist.
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PaybackJack posted:Calling someone who is a boy, a boy, is not inherently racist no matter what color their skin color is. Oh my god, you might as well say it's okay to call black people negro because that just means black in Spanish. Something doesn't magically become unracist because of intent. Miles is old enough that it's definitely not okay. Yeah, it's condascending racist bullshit to call a black teen "boy".
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