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what i see is a convergence of federal road standards and self driving cars moving towards each other. once cars with certain drive-assist features pass a certain critical-mass threshold the feds will probably begin laying down 'compliant' highway standards and such that will help cars even more. so certain highways and major roads become ones where you're allowed to take a snooze on and it expands from there. i doubt that will ever reach 100% coverage or even past anything but major interstates
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Necc0 posted:what i see is a convergence of federal road standards and self driving cars moving towards each other. once cars with certain drive-assist features pass a certain critical-mass threshold the feds will probably begin laying down 'compliant' highway standards and such that will help cars even more. so certain highways and major roads become ones where you're allowed to take a snooze on and it expands from there. i doubt that will ever reach 100% coverage or even past anything but major interstates lol talking about a future where the fed isn't paralyzed on anything but how to force the poor into eternal indentured servitude to the plutocracy
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Condiv posted:lol talking about a future where the fed isn't paralyzed on anything but how to force the poor into eternal indentured servitude to the plutocracy yeah most dmvs still don't offer driving tests outside of normal work hours, lol if they actually move forward on anything
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Jan 26, 2015 15:53
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standards will be set but implemented in a patchwork as nimbys and speed trapping municipalities combine their efforts to block the required construction on "safety" grounds.
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Jan 26, 2015 15:56
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Condiv posted:lol talking about a future where the fed isn't paralyzed on anything but how to force the poor into eternal indentured servitude to the plutocracy there's a lot of money in automating truck fleets. it'll happen
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even cars there'llbe plenty of money in that. i imagine that roads rich people drive on will get special lanes first so our wealthy elite don't have to sit in traffic like the poors. will they be privately run toll lanes? you bet your rear end they will be.
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Jan 26, 2015 16:12
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it seems like a billion times easier to build a better transportation system that can move large amounts of people from their pre-determined locations (their neighborhoods) to a centralized city location (their place of work) than it would be to develop and build millions of automated vehicles to replace each individual's driving experience
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Necc0 posted:what i see is a convergence of federal road standards and self driving cars moving towards each other. once cars with certain drive-assist features pass a certain critical-mass threshold the feds will probably begin laying down 'compliant' highway standards and such that will help cars even more. so certain highways and major roads become ones where you're allowed to take a snooze on and it expands from there. i doubt that will ever reach 100% coverage or even past anything but major interstates The fed still mandates that cars have emergency brakes. Hydraulic brakes have been around since the 1920s, and are obviously a lot simpler than a complex network of sensors and programming required to automatically pilot a car. But they still fail sometimes, so backups are required to exist. Humans will never be able to (legally) snooze while piloting a car, they will never be able to (legally) drive drunk. Humans have to be the backup.
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Jan 26, 2015 16:27
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lol tweetbot hit the Twitter api limit and isn't allowing new accounts wonder how long before Twitter decides to take aim at commercial clients like hootsuite.
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bassguitarhero posted:it seems like a billion times easier to build a better transportation system that can move large amounts of people from their pre-determined locations (their neighborhoods) to a centralized city location (their place of work) than it would be to develop and build millions of automated vehicles to replace each individual's driving experience lol
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Jan 26, 2015 16:31
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Shaggar posted:lol if buses and trains were big enough, with roomy seats and sufficient space around them, would you then like public transportation?
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Shifty Pony posted:lol tweetbot hit the Twitter api limit and isn't allowing new accounts on the bright side that means they sold 100 000 copies of their 20$ twitter client i'm happy for them 
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prefect posted:if buses and trains were big enough, with roomy seats and sufficient space around them, would you then like public transportation? if they went to everywhere I wanted to go, when I wanted to go there, and without going anywhere else, then sure.
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Pinterest Mom posted:on the bright side that means they sold 100 000 copies of their 20$ twitter client i'm happy for them well judging from the online bitching it seems like the major draw was keeping track of multiple accounts. some people complaining about not having an easy way to use their 20 accounts when the tweetbot client gets broken for whatever reason in the future.
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Jan 26, 2015 16:39
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bassguitarhero posted:it seems like a billion times easier to build a better transportation system that can move large amounts of people from their pre-determined locations (their neighborhoods) to a centralized city location (their place of work) than it would be to develop and build millions of automated vehicles to replace each individual's driving experience it'd probably be even easier to acknowledge that most of those jobs are bullshit and don't need to be commuted to to begin with
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Jan 26, 2015 16:42
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Shaggar posted:if they went to everywhere I wanted to go, when I wanted to go there, and without going anywhere else, then sure. ♪ They should make a tube that sends you right to work. That would save a lot of gas. But I guess there would be a lot of tubes. ♪
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Jan 26, 2015 16:47
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pneumatic tube transport would rule
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Jan 26, 2015 16:49
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fully automated cars present a serious issue, which goes all the way back to the brain in a jar problem: we can program them to kill as few people as possible but some people will still die and when they do we like there to be a person to blame, even if they don't actually get in trouble for it - a human who kills people accidentally has the excuse that they're human but a computer doesn't basically we prefer a human that causes harm consistently to an algorithm that does it occasionally, we'll need a legally mandated threshold of fallibility for this to work otherwise every car company will just get sued out of existence
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Jan 26, 2015 16:59
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shaggar you understand that when youre an old grouchy man in 20 years that youre gonna pay more in a month for gas to drive to work every day than you do for your house/apartment right and that nothing can ever change this
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Jan 26, 2015 17:20
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yes yes every year is the year we'll run out of energy and society will collapse. eventually there will be Linux on the desktop as well
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Shaggar posted:yes yes every year is the year we'll run out of energy and society will collapse. eventually there will be Linux on the desktop as well "gently caress the cpu's pegged" - a nerd as his gentoo box accidentally burns the last piece of coal
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:it'd probably be even easier to acknowledge that most of those jobs are bullshit and don't need to be commuted to to begin with if you can do your job effectively by telecommuting, your pay and job prospects are only going downhill
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Jan 26, 2015 17:33
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the most ridiculous part of that fantasy is uber actually making a capital expenditure that opens them up to liability. as if they wouldn't 1099 'drone car operators' to take the fall
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theflyingexecutive posted:I have an idea for a vehicle you don't have to drive and can transport you long distances inexpensively does it use the blockchain? this is important
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qirex posted:fully automated cars present a serious issue, which goes all the way back to the brain in a jar problem: we can program them to kill as few people as possible but some people will still die and when they do we like there to be a person to blame, even if they don't actually get in trouble for it - a human who kills people accidentally has the excuse that they're human but a computer doesn't there's also the liability issue. if human-driven cars get into a crash it can almost always be blamed on one of the specific humans involved, or on other factors like weather. if two self-driving cars crash, the blame always goes to the car company also there's the fact that we know pretty much exactly how humans react to things, how they perceive things while driving, how things affect their attention, and so on. transportation departments already know what human reactions can be taken for granted, as well as most of the ways in which the human mind can misread things or trick itself into thinking the wrong thing. we've been testing human drivers for over a hundred years. self-driving cars invalidate a lot of those principles and assumptions, and at the same time, lol if you think the tech companies are going to qa self-driving cars anywhere near rigorously enough. does google even have a qa department? they just let the public test everything for them
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JawnV6 posted:the most ridiculous part of that fantasy is uber actually making a capital expenditure that opens them up to liability. as if they wouldn't 1099 'drone car operators' to take the fall they'll go a la gibson and subcontract 'driverless' trucks to plebs driving them as remote control video games. Conveniently giving us someone unimportant to blame and lock up when something inevitably goes wrong.
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vodkat posted:they'll go a la gibson and subcontract 'driverless' trucks to plebs driving them as remote control video games. Covenantally giving us someone unimportant to blame and lock up when something inevitably goes wrong. OOOOOOOh this is a good idea 2023 Uber: you sit in a windowless room and drive a robot car
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Shifty Pony posted:well judging from the online bitching it seems like the major draw was keeping track of multiple accounts. some people complaining about not having an easy way to use their 20 accounts when the tweetbot client gets broken for whatever reason in the future. lmao how many loving twitter accounts do people need
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vodkat posted:they'll go a la gibson and subcontract 'driverless' trucks to plebs driving them as remote control video games. Conveniently giving us someone unimportant to blame and lock up when something inevitably goes wrong. euro trucker 2038 looking good
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Main Paineframe posted:how many years is it going to take to program autonomous cars to think ... "huh, that driver looks like kind of an rear end in a top hat, I bet he's going to do the dickiest thing possible as soon as the opportunity arises".
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i think the utopian endgame that sv idealists envision for uber is that every self-driving car owner will lend their car to the uber network whenever they're not using it just imagine - after driving to work in the morning, you open up your car's integrated uber app and while you walk by the ball pit on your way into the hip open plan office, your car drives off all on its own to start accepting and carrying out uber trips automatically, allowing you to supplement your high-rollin programmer income with literally ten truly, a futuristic paradise
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:if you can do your job effectively by telecommuting, your pay and job prospects are only going downhill you got the wrong takeaway there, chief it's not "we shouldn't waste our time traveling to those jobs", it's "we shouldn't waste our time doing those jobs at all"
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Jan 26, 2015 18:16
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Chris Knight posted:lmao how many loving twitter accounts do people need zero
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The Leck posted:they can probably recognize german car logos without too much trouble lol german car logos for assholes and jesus fish/yellow ribbons for idiots, this system has never failed me
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As a Millennial I posted:lol add illinois license plate and they're the biggest idiot on the road
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must be a regional thing. the biggest assholes here drive luxury SUVs. Main Paineframe posted:i think the utopian endgame that sv idealists envision for uber is that every self-driving car owner will lend their car to the uber network whenever they're not using it but would you be able to tell your car not to go to "undesirable" parts of town?
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Shaggar posted:pneumatic tube transport would rule
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Shifty Pony posted:must be a regional thing. the biggest assholes here drive luxury SUVs. oh yeah they're a combination of dumbass and rear end in a top hat. a "dumb rear end in a top hat," if you will
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I'm the 2WD crew cab Ford F-250 being driven by an accountant.
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Citizen Tayne posted:I'm the 2WD crew cab Ford F-250 being driven by an accountant. i'm the meticulously cleaned pickup being driven by anyone commuting to an office
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