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WickedHate posted:Miles is old enough that it's definitely not okay. Yeah, it's condascending racist bullshit to call a black teen "boy". I'd argue that with terms that have different meanings it would definitely depend on the intent to determine if it's meant in a racist manner. friend of the family is a single definition word. Boy has a much more common use than the racist version and it's only used as a derogatory term in reference to someone over the age of 16(Wikipedia says 16-21 for coming of age) who is also a male and also black. I don't know Miles actual age but you feel its ambiguous enough to warrant the racism. However I'm not black, so if you're black and you're telling me this because you find it offensive then I wouldn't do it. If I was Marvel I wouldn't do it just because I think that's a backward step for the character, but I do think that it's not inherently racist to call a young male, who you'd refer to as a boy in all other situations, a boy; even if he's black unless you're doing it for the purposes of being explicitly racist and not as a statement of his actual age. PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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If Miles was a little younger than I'd lean towards not racist (because of Superboy) but 15 is kinda pushing it.
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Jan 26, 2015 13:39
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Miles had a shot but he's proved pretty boring and worthless in the main, may as well just get rid of him entirely. In fact get rid of all of them except Miguel, Spock and Porker. 
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Jan 26, 2015 13:40
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Web Jew.0 posted:If Miles was a little younger than I'd lean towards not racist (because of Superboy) but 15 is kinda pushing it. It feels like a setup for a MadTV sketch where the villain calls out "Spider-BOY!" in derision and the henchmen/hostages all get uncomfortable.
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PaybackJack posted:I'd argue that with terms that have different meanings it would definitely depend on the intent to determine if it's meant in a racist manner. friend of the family is a single definition word. Boy has a much more common use than the racist version and it's only used as a derogatory term in reference to someone over the age of 16(Wikipedia says 16-21 for coming of age) who is also a male and also black. I don't know Miles actual age but you feel its ambiguous enough to warrant the racism. However I'm not black, so if you're black and you're telling me this because you find it offensive then I wouldn't do it. If I was Marvel I wouldn't do it just because I think that's a backward step for the character, but I do think that it's not inherently racist to call a young male, who you'd refer to as a boy in all other situations, a boy; even if he's black unless you're doing it for the purposes of being explicitly racist and not as a statement of his actual age. How tense where you when you wrote this post?
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WickedHate posted:Oh my god, you might as well say it's okay to call black people negro because that just means black in Spanish. Something doesn't magically become unracist because of intent. Miles is old enough that it's definitely not okay. Yeah, it's condascending racist bullshit to call a black teen "boy". So if there was ever a black Robin, calling him a Boy Wonder would be racist. Come the gently caress on. The better criticism is that it's a demotion.
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Jan 26, 2015 15:34
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When they had a black guy take on the role of Bucky that lasted for about two issues before they changed it after getting angry letters. If you really think Marvel is going to call Miles Spider-Boy you're out of your mind. They've got two Hawkeyes running around, they can have two Spider-Men.
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Jan 26, 2015 15:38
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All I'm hearing is that Spider-Boi is still a viable option.
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redbackground posted:All I'm hearing is that Spider-Boi is still a viable option. That's for when Gwen starts exploring her sexuality and gender in college.
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Just call him Spider-Cisgender-identifyAsMale-NotDefinedByRace-Person.
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Jan 26, 2015 16:26
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I'd call him Spider-Man
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Jan 26, 2015 17:02
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I fell behind in this thread and I'll admit that I'm taking the lazy way out and instead of reading everything from page 39 out I read the last few and did some googling but still have some probably simple questions. 1) Hickman is off the Avengers soon right? Can I drop the book or will someone else be picking up his story? 2) Is his Secret Wars the conclusion of his avengers run?
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Len posted:I fell behind in this thread and I'll admit that I'm taking the lazy way out and instead of reading everything from page 39 out I read the last few and did some googling but still have some probably simple questions. 1) Most likely not directly 2) Yes
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Senor Candle posted:1) Most likely not directly Thanks for the quick reply
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PaybackJack posted:I'd argue that with terms that have different meanings it would definitely depend on the intent to determine if it's meant in a racist manner. friend of the family is a single definition word. Boy has a much more common use than the racist version and it's only used as a derogatory term in reference to someone over the age of 16(Wikipedia says 16-21 for coming of age) who is also a male and also black. I don't know Miles actual age but you feel its ambiguous enough to warrant the racism. However I'm not black, so if you're black and you're telling me this because you find it offensive then I wouldn't do it. If I was Marvel I wouldn't do it just because I think that's a backward step for the character, but I do think that it's not inherently racist to call a young male, who you'd refer to as a boy in all other situations, a boy; even if he's black unless you're doing it for the purposes of being explicitly racist and not as a statement of his actual age. Both Ultimate and 616 Peter Parker were 15 when they became Spider-Man. Miles Morales has been Spider-Man for several years. You might, might have an argument if Miles was still 13 and a brand new character called Spider-Boy, but it'd still be super awkward.
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Jan 26, 2015 19:25
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Can't we keep regular Peter around so Slott can keep writing poo poo for him then give a good writer both Spock and Miles in a team-up book called Spider-Men?
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Jan 26, 2015 19:38
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Let's just bring back classic Marvel naming conventions and call him the Black Spider.
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The Modern Leper posted:It feels like a setup for a MadTV sketch The most damning indictment of all. Rhyno posted:Let's just bring back classic Marvel naming conventions and call him the Black Spider. Might as well. I mean, his suit is black, so let's be real, when/if he's in 616, if he's swinging around at the same time as regular Spider-Man, all the public is going to refer to him as Black Spider-Man just because his suit is black.
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TwoPair posted:Might as well. I mean, his suit is black, so let's be real, when/if he's in 616, if he's swinging around at the same time as regular Spider-Man, all the public is going to refer to him as Black Spider-Man just because his suit is black. Kaine has a black and red suit, but everyone called him Scarlet Spider even though red was part of normal Spider-Man's outfit.
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TwoPair posted:Might as well. I mean, his suit is black, so let's be real, when/if he's in 616, if he's swinging around at the same time as regular Spider-Man, all the public is going to refer to him as Black Spider-Man just because his suit is black. Then Flash comes back to NYC and it all becomes a confusing mess.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Then Flash comes back to NYC and it all becomes a confusing mess. Oh, wait never mind, I just realized that with a black suit, Miles can just call himself Venom and Flash can call himself Commander
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Jan 26, 2015 22:24
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There's always the chance they off Kaine and give Miles the Scarlet Spider name wit a new suit
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Sounds like a good time for Eddie to come back to the spotlight to confuse things even more.
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Rhyno posted:Let's just bring back classic Marvel naming conventions and call him the Black Spider. Let's head down the thematically fitting, yet still kinda unintentionally racist road of specific spider species like Brown Recluse. He can even change his costume and everything.
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Rhyno posted:Let's just bring back classic Marvel naming conventions and call him the Black Spider. Black Spider? You mean Black Widow?
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The Inevitable Spider-Dead
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mr.capps posted:How tense where you when you wrote this post? Meh, I lived in North Carolina and stuck my foot in my mouth plenty of times when it came to racism because I grew up in Oregon in a class with literally 1 black kid. There's a long history in the south of things that are racist that we never knew about on the west coast. The racism I encountered growing up was with Mexicans not blacks. Can't speak on behalf of black people, but I really don't think my black friends would have been offended by this, but if they think it is then that's good to know and let's not do it for that reason. Skwirl posted:Both Ultimate and 616 Peter Parker were 15 when they became Spider-Man. Miles Morales has been Spider-Man for several years. You might, might have an argument if Miles was still 13 and a brand new character called Spider-Boy, but it'd still be super awkward. With Miles in 616 it is an almost certainty he'd need to change his name, it's believable that if the public(in 616) saw him swinging around with Spider-Man they would call him Spider-Boy based on the size difference. You could also argue they'd call him Kid Spider, Spider-Kid, New Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, but the name change makes sense were the worlds to collide and it has nothing to do with being racist. I don't think people in the 616 would stop and go "Wait, what if he's been called 'man' before and now we're demoting him to 'boy' and what if, because he's black we're also being racist?" Clearly if this is offensive enough to a couple people in this thread, then it's probably best to not go that route specifically for those reasons as there would probably be a large outcry of negativity on it in the mainstream if they did. It is an interesting question though of what would/will they call him when he joins 616. They really seem to hate having 2 characters with the same codename running around at the same time.
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slut chan posted:Black Spider? You mean Black Widow? Terrible Solution #2: Peter remains man-child, Miles grows up and gets married. Miles' wife is then immediately fridged so he can become the Black Widower.
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Jan 27, 2015 00:28
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Miles should just take up the Spider-Hero name and costume.
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I bet they end up putting him on the Mighty Avengers team too
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Senor Candle posted:Miles should just take up the Spider-Hero name and costume. The best case scenario. Though you forgot there is no hyphen in Spider Hero.
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SilverSupernova posted:The best case scenario. Though you forgot there is no hyphen in Spider Hero. gently caress
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PaybackJack posted:I really don't think my black friends would have been offended by this, but if they think it is then that's good to know and let's not do it for that reason. Regardless of any disagreement between us, as non-whites, it's always good to understand people who are actually would have the final word, so good on you for having that attitude.
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Dacap posted:I bet they end up putting him on the Mighty Avengers team too Welcome to the main marvel universe where you and your  colorful friends get your own
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HA! racism. How delightful.
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Mighty Avengers is totally bullshit. It does feel like forcing a bunch of black characters onto a seperate team of their own. It wouldn't even be so bad if it was it's own thing instead of an Avengers spin off team.
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Spider-Man is black?! 
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Mighty Avengers is probably one of the best if not the best non-Hickman Avengers book around since the NOW relaunch.
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Its a delicious candy bar but the wrapper is made of solid poop.
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