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zolthorg posted:No? They have to take several months to make Mewtwo because they finished and shipped the game. And then went "OH poo poo, people EXPECTED DLC?" "What's DLC?!". Mewtwo's development is literally starting from square 1 because of Japanese development house ignorance of the western market. And they've outright stated Mewtwo is a test and will probably be the only DLC. Except they've had other games with DLC people bought a shitload of? Nintendo is not a stranger to DLC anymore.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Except they've had other games with DLC people bought a shitload of? Nintendo didn't develop Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U
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Jan 26, 2015 22:36
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TheKingofSprings posted:Except they've had other games with DLC people bought a shitload of? Not Sora LTD or Bandai Namco on the Wii U and especially not Sakurai who clearly doesn't want to add any paid content to the game. There is no company wide push at Nintendo to ensure games have DLC in them. There is only a company wide push to use the new Amiibo feature like so many Wii games and DS games with horrible control schemes finagled into them before. And a clear company push toward match 3 free to play garbage.
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Jan 26, 2015 22:38
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TheKingofSprings posted:Unsubstantiated nothing, we'll be getting a shitload of DLC within a year, guaranteed Who's hyped for Dr. Luigi? 
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Jan 26, 2015 23:11
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SilverSupernova posted:Who's hyped for Dr. Luigi? This but unironically.
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Jan 26, 2015 23:33
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SilverSupernova posted:Who's hyped for Dr. Luigi? At least he finished medical school, unlike his layabout brother.
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Jan 26, 2015 23:34
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We're probably going to get paid DLC character skins, I mean that's like printing money really. I'd be surprised if they didn't do this.
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Jan 27, 2015 00:08
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zolthorg posted:No? They have to take several months to make Mewtwo because they finished and shipped the game. And then went "OH poo poo, people EXPECTED DLC?" "What's DLC?!". Mewtwo's development is literally starting from square 1 because of Japanese development house ignorance of the western market. And they've outright stated Mewtwo is a test and will probably be the only DLC. If you think Mewtwo will be the only Smash DLC and that Mewtwo will be the only real addition in that DLC, well I think you are wrong sir
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Reiley posted:We're probably going to get paid DLC character skins, I mean that's like printing money really. I'd be surprised if they didn't do this. I can see them doing DLC skins more than I see them doing full characters, easier way to milk the Smash teat and keep the Amiibos rolling out.
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Jan 27, 2015 00:25
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Macaluso posted:If you think Mewtwo will be the only Smash DLC and that Mewtwo will be the only real addition in that DLC, well I think you are wrong sir Well Duh! We're getting Mewtwo AND the Miiverse stage.
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Macaluso posted:If you think Mewtwo will be the only Smash DLC and that Mewtwo will be the only real addition in that DLC, well I think you are wrong sir As good Ser Pat would say. Being a cynic is the best. Because if you're right you're right. If you're wrong, and it turns out to be more then you cynically hypothesised, then that's awesome. All i'm expecting out of Smash Bros DLC is the Miiverse stage and a few 'clone character's that are based off another character (Lucas = Ness, Roy = Lucina, Mewtwo = Lucario) With their own set of that character's custom B moves / some new ones (not a full choice of 4 for each direction, just one set) As an extra 'slot' on the character select screen with their own portrait.
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I still don't get the Lucario = Mewtwo thing. Like is Samus a clone of WiiFitTrainer because their neutral b moves are similar?
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I still don't get the Lucario = Mewtwo thing. Like is Samus a clone of WiiFitTrainer because their neutral b moves are similar?
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I still don't get the Lucario = Mewtwo thing. Like is Samus a clone of WiiFitTrainer because their neutral b moves are similar? I'm assuming Aura Sphere is similar to Shadow Ball and they both had non-damaging Up Bs. Plus they were pokemon with movies names after them where they fight Mew. That's my guess. Keep in mind at one point, this community called the Duck Hunt Dog a clone of Snake.
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SilverSupernova posted:I'm assuming Aura Sphere is similar to Shadow Ball and they both had non-damaging Up Bs. Plus they were pokemon with movies names after them where they fight Mew. The Villager is actually a Snake clone. No one would argue with you that Luigi or Villager didn't deserve their own portrait slot on the select screen. Also in Brawl Lucario was closer to Mewtwo, the issue is that they built upon the character for 2 successive games, and basically everything about Mewtwo was garbage so only a little remains. Its like the simultaneous development of Captain and Ganon and only Captain ended up as a remotely usable extreme. zolthorg fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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Jan 27, 2015 01:40
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zolthorg posted:Its like the simultaneous development of Captain and Ganon and only Captain ended up as a remotely usable extreme. Captain Falcon was developed in the N64 game and Ganon was developed in Melee.
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Jan 27, 2015 01:44
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SilverSupernova posted:Captain Falcon was developed in the N64 game and Ganon was developed in Melee. Captain Falcon has changed slightly in every game. Ganondorf has changed significantly in every game
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Jan 27, 2015 01:47
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zolthorg posted:Captain Falcon has changed slightly in every game. Ganondorf has changed significantly in every game Other than getting a new Forward+B in Brawl what else changed?
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Jan 27, 2015 03:19
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He can taunt with his sword
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Jan 27, 2015 03:24
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Sire Oblivion posted:Other than getting a new Forward+B in Brawl what else changed? Ganondorf was actually a legitimate character in Melee. In Brawl he was lovely (http://www.ssbwiki.com/Ganondorf_(SSBB)) . He's returned to being like, actually playable in Smash 4 (http://www.ssbwiki.com/Ganondorf_%28SSB4%29) - basically overall more powerful, moves faster and much less lag.
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Ganondorf and Falcon are extremely, extremely different and both are viable, especially in competitive Melee. Falcon is a rushdown character, whereas Ganon is entirely punishment based. Ganon is becoming less viable due to techskill becoming much more unified across the player base (Making options for punishment much, much less common) but he is still very functional. Ganondorf has changed a lot between the games. In Melee, he has his predictable but very powerful recovery tools, whereas his recovery and airgame got completely nerfed to poo poo in both Brawl and Smash 4. The properties of Wizard's foot have changed in every game (not a spike anymore), and his overall speed nerf changed a lot of how he played. His range was considerably reduced as well, making his spacing much more difficult due to a lack of strong movement options compared to his already poor movement in Melee. I'm not sure if this is a Brawl thing as well, but in Smash 4 he can't ledgehop, which also limits his recovery options. His overB changing is obvious, and its KO potential on the stage is also worse than Gerudo Dragon. Essentially, Ganondorf went from being a punishment oriented character with extremely good chaingrab combo and aerial strength into... a slow powerful grappler that profits mostly on single moves and pushing the opponent into shield. ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I still don't get the Lucario = Mewtwo thing. Like is Samus a clone of WiiFitTrainer because their neutral b moves are similar? In Brawl, Lucario was developed to supercede Mewtwo -- Who was originally intended to be in the game but got cut for Lucario as he was the image character at the time. They have very similar movement and aside from neutral B being a very good recovery option for Mewtwo in Melee, have very similar mindgames based around grab + uthrow for kills and mixup combos. They also were succeptible to most of the same tactics, mainly gimping and uthrow due to their weight. Mewtwo was considerably lighter than Lucario but due to the physics it didn't make a huge difference. Lucario in PM and Smash 4 are very different from Melee Mewtwo, so anyone who says that they are similar are objectively wrong, especially considering how rage and aura now work to make Lucario an ultra aggressive, long-living character.
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Mewtwo is psychic type, and Lucario is fighting/steel
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I never got how Lucario is supposed to be Steel-type. Is it just the three spikes?
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I still don't get the Lucario = Mewtwo thing. Like is Samus a clone of WiiFitTrainer because their neutral b moves are similar?
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Jan 27, 2015 05:06
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Until Lucario can hold items with his mind, Mewtwo will always be superior.
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RyokoTK posted:I never got how Lucario is supposed to be Steel-type. Is it just the three spikes?
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laplace posted:Ganondorf and Falcon are extremely, extremely different and both are viable, especially in competitive Melee. What do people mean that he can't ledgehop in Smash 4, because I've heard it a few times now? You can definitely drop the ledge, use your second jump and then forward air onto the stage, it just requires more precise timing than other characters. Am I missing something about what ledgehop means?
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mabels big day posted:Mewtwo is psychic type, and Lucario is fighting/steel It's worth noting that with the power of Mega Evolution, Mewtwo can potentially gain the Fighting type. It can never be Steel, however.
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SilverSupernova posted:I'm assuming Aura Sphere is similar to Shadow Ball and they both had non-damaging Up Bs. Plus they were pokemon with movies names after them where they fight Mew.
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Lucario has steel bones, like Wolverine. It's why they fight and never give up.
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Reiley posted:Lucario has steel bones, like Wolverine. It's why they fight and never give up. Except Lucario can beat his magnetic nemesis where Wolverine gets clowned hilariously
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Jan 27, 2015 06:32
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Sire Oblivion posted:Other than getting a new Forward+B in Brawl what else changed? Forward tilt, down tilt, up-smash, and up-throw are now different in addition to jab and forward air (and technically up tilt too), and Warlock Punch and Dark Dive have been altered, making them more like variants of the originals. He also gets different custom specials than Captain Falcon.
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RyokoTK posted:I never got how Lucario is supposed to be Steel-type. Is it just the three spikes? I think it just came out during a phase where Gamefreak was enamored with Steel types (and psychic, but that arguably never ended). Jirachi is steel, and that makes even less sense.
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mycot posted:I think it just came out during a phase where Gamefreak was enamored with Steel types (and psychic, but that arguably never ended). Jirachi is steel, and that makes even less sense. Mew, the first secret Pokémon was Psychic. Celebi, the second secret Pokémon was Grass/Psychic. Jirachi, the third secret Pokémon was Steel/Rock.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Mew, the first secret Pokémon was Psychic. Jirachi is Steel/Psychic, unless something's going over my head.
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mycot posted:Jirachi is Steel/Psychic, unless something's going over my head. No, you're right. Jirachi is Steel/Psychic. (Or Psychic/Steel or whatever.)
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Reiley posted:We're probably going to get paid DLC character skins, I mean that's like printing money really. I'd be surprised if they didn't do this. "We added Chrom!" As a costume for Marth
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:"We added Chrom!" It would be about as accurate to do so as it was for Lucina, considering they have the same attack style in the game.
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Chrom should be an alt for Ike, his attacks are more brute force while Lucina carries hers in a more rapier-way. Hell, Chrom swings rapiers like a club and sticks them in the ground afterwords.
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Duck Hunt with a little dog bandanna... that would be very cute
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