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Jan 26, 2015 18:49
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go3 posted:this is why im not really worried. the american motorsports landscape is gonna have a hell of a reset when the bottom falls out of NASCAR Top-level motorsport might die in Australia in the next decade or so too.
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Jan 26, 2015 18:50
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Maybe instead of having some dirt bike racing or X-games derivative sport on NBC Sundays, put the races on network TV.
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Jan 26, 2015 18:54
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Athanatos posted:Maybe instead of having some dirt bike racing or X-games derivative sport on NBC Sundays, put the races on network TV. Youths don't really watch TV though. Maybe simulcast races live on YouTube?
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Jan 26, 2015 19:01
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Yeah, racing is definitely in for a shake up in the long term, but I'm not actually that worried... Lemons running the daytona 24 hour with 200 shitbox cars is gonna be incredible!
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Jan 26, 2015 19:16
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Cygni posted:Lemons running the daytona 24 hour with 200 shitbox cars is gonna be incredible! You almost say that like it's a bad thing.
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Jan 26, 2015 19:23
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Daytona has always been a B-tier enduro so that's fine 
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Jan 26, 2015 19:27
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Minto Took posted:You almost say that like it's a bad thing. I legit didnt mean it with sarcasm, haha. ChumpCar runs a 14 hour race at Daytona in the summer, so we're almost there.
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Jan 26, 2015 19:40
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We may get some wacky Formula Libre out of the Motorsport collapse.
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Jan 26, 2015 20:16
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Athanatos posted:Maybe instead of having some dirt bike racing or X-games derivative sport on NBC Sundays, put the races on network TV. Yeah that's some serious bullshit. Not that I don't respect/enjoy seeing that stuff, but yeah that's a problem. go3 posted:this is why im not really worried. the american motorsports landscape is gonna have a hell of a reset when the bottom falls out of NASCAR I'm kind of wondering what nascar's end game is going to be. at this point. They've already lost sponsors, attendance and ratings are both down. Not to mention.they don't seem to be attracting new fans despite their best attempts to be more "Social Media" friendly. Do they eventually get to a point where they acknowledge something is wrong and try to get back to their roots? I mean there has to be a point where even Brian France will have to admit he hosed up.
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Jan 26, 2015 22:33
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Human Grand Prix posted:We may get some wacky Formula Libre out of the Motorsport collapse. I pray for this nightly c'mon I just wanna see some dude get plastered into some trees at 250mph
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Jan 27, 2015 00:01
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The ABC deal literally won't allow for NBC to put other races on network TV. I love the tradition of the 500 but if that has to be on NBC in order to get more enthusiasm for the product as a whole then by all means make that move. ABC doesn't do enough to build the 500 to justify it at this point. I think the cultural shift is the important thing. Fewer people care about cars, fewer people care about sporty cars, so fewer people care about racing. And in our world now it's hard to see that passion returning en masse.
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Jan 27, 2015 00:09
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RE: Canadian motorsports writers You have to take their writing with a grain of salt, as they had a better outlook and relationship with CART and it's teams/drivers, and given the history of open-wheel racing in Canada, that makes sense. Norris does a decent job, all things considered. Unless it's Dean McNulty from Sun Media, who is off his loving rocker.
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Jan 27, 2015 00:09
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i don't think most racing fans actually care about cars
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Jan 27, 2015 00:28
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be nice wicka posted:i don't think most racing fans actually care about cars much like the crippling autism of racing fans, my theory is that there is sort of a spectrum. there are people that want racing to basically be a mobile car show at all costs, who cares if the winner leads every lap from pole and finishes with 3 laps on the field if they are EXCITING pretty cars. key words to ID them: 'technology', 'development', 'factory backed', 'exclusive'. on the other far end are people who want to see the cars close and the drivers battling in as equal and level a playing field as humanly possible, who gives a poo poo if its lawnmowers or 2000hp spaceships. key words to ID them: 'wheel to wheel', 'on track product', 'parity', 'drivers series' and most people fall somewhere on that line between the two polar extremes and my EXTENSIVE further studies have shown*faarrrrttttt*
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Jan 27, 2015 00:37
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harperdc posted:The ABC deal literally won't allow for NBC to put other races on network TV. I love the tradition of the 500 but if that has to be on NBC in order to get more enthusiasm for the product as a whole then by all means make that move. ABC doesn't do enough to build the 500 to justify it at this point. The last time ABC/ESPN gave  for open wheel racing was back in 2006 or so.It's been time to move on and find another network for quite some time now. The fact that ESPN covered the Coca Cola 600 more so than a race they actually had the rights to, speaks volumes. I saw them do daily segments for the Brickyard 400 as well. I'd love to see NBC with the rights to Monaco and Indianapolis. I think they'd do a lot with both. While I don't believe the series will ever become what it once way, I think Indy could at the very least return to some form of respectability in terms of ratings/coverage. be nice wicka posted:i don't think most racing fans actually care about cars Half of the equation is the driver, the other half is the machine. (or so Paul Page says in the 1995 version of the "Delta Force" intro). People love talking about the "Granatelli Turbine Car", "Gurney Eagle", "Yellow Submarine", "Johnny Lightning", "Ground Effects", and the 1994 "Beast Illmor". The series has to slowly ease it's way back to that while kind of remaining spec. friendly. What I think Walker is doing is very slowly taking the series away from being Spec., and trying to make it some form of drama-less CART.
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Jan 27, 2015 00:51
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Race Cars>Road Cars. I'd take one of those lovely March-Alfas over any Tin Top any day.
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Jan 27, 2015 00:55
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I found a SCCA Toyota Atlantics race from Long Beach on Youtube. King Hiro won, and Jeff Andretti came from 33rd to 5th 
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Jan 27, 2015 02:01
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sounds like a quality grid
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Jan 27, 2015 02:02
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The front row was Scott Goodyear and Mark Dismore, so you can draw your own conclusions from there.
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Jan 27, 2015 02:03
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I like Mark Dismore because he's entirely known for having a sweet-rear end crash at the pitlane entrance one year
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Jan 27, 2015 02:06
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I hate that out of all possible choices for commentators, we have Scott Sad Sack Goodyear. Uncle Bobby may be wrong about many things, including how many 500 wins he has, but he's better than Scotty.
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Jan 27, 2015 02:31
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I want the Bill Weber and Rusty Wallace Experience. Go all out if you're gonna have an awful open wheel commentary booth.
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Jan 27, 2015 02:54
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Fauxhawk Express posted:I want the Bill Weber and Rusty Wallace Experience. 
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Jan 27, 2015 03:01
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IOwnCalculus posted:I hate that out of all possible choices for commentators, we have Scott Sad Sack Goodyear. Uncle Bobby may be wrong about many things, including how many 500 wins he has, but he's better than Scotty. Scott is a good guy, but I sense he'd be better in a different role, like a Jeff Hammond/Jon Beekhuis type. I like Cheever because he comes across as a  -type that would be good to have to play off another analyst, like say, Paul Tracy. Alain Post posted:I like Mark Dismore because he's entirely known for having a sweet-rear end crash at the pitlane entrance one year The man that brought us Dan Wheldon.
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Jan 27, 2015 03:28
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Dis was a cool dude I think. One of the Treadway drivers sent everyone in my dads engine shop a personalized Christmas card and I think it was him and that's cool.
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Jan 27, 2015 03:33
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be nice wicka posted:i don't think most racing fans actually care about cars I definitely don't
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Jan 27, 2015 06:41
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FuzzySkinner posted:I like Cheever because he comes across as a Cheever regularly (sometimes not-so) subtly trolling Goodyear about never winning the 500 is one of the few entertaining things about the ABC coverage.
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Jan 27, 2015 07:25
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Alain Post posted:I like Mark Dismore because he's entirely known for having a sweet-rear end crash at the pitlane entrance one year he's no Kevin Cogan
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Jan 27, 2015 12:50
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Most of the fans I've come across who care about cars are older.
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Jan 27, 2015 14:06
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because young people grew up in a spec series, and young people generally don't know enough about engineering to spot something intriguing that kind of stuff you need a few years under your belt
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Jan 27, 2015 14:14
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Are we talking about cars in general or the technical aspects of the race cars? Because I'm more interested in the latter.
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Jan 27, 2015 15:45
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Human Grand Prix posted:Are we talking about cars in general or the technical aspects of the race cars? Because I'm more interested in the latter. The technical aspects of IndyCars are what attracts me to IndyCar and detracts me from NASCAR. I  technology and speed
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Jan 27, 2015 15:56
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A lot of engineering goes into stock cars as well, and I like the fact that they still use Manual gearboxes. I read an issue of racer where Pagenaud described his ideal series; basically allowing for aero and active suspension, but with fully manual gearboxes. I like him.
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Jan 27, 2015 16:29
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VikingSkull posted:he's no Kevin Cogan I'd wager Cogan is more famous for taking out Mario at the start of the '82 500 than his pitlane wreck.
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Jan 27, 2015 16:38
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I'm just not thrilled with the current version of NASCAR. I do like a lot of the teams and drivers. I have a lot of respect for them, and I think they're legit good at racing. Just not thrilled with the most recent cars, "The Chase" and the "NASCAR on Fox" crew. Stock Car Racing can be some of the best racing on the planet, just the fuckers at Daytona Beach need to cut it out and let the teams manage things. Just isn't a good product right now. Your local dirt track probably does it better imo. I was (gasp) actually a bigger fan of NASCAR from about when Richard Petty retired to about when Dale Jr. won his first Daytona 500. After that? Just went kind of blech.
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Jan 27, 2015 16:49
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Fauxhawk Express posted:I'd wager Coogan is more famous for taking out Mario at the start of the '82 500 than his pitlane wreck.
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Jan 27, 2015 21:28
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That took me a minute. 
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Jan 27, 2015 22:13
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say what you will but Michael Waltrip's collapsing spoiler was the top racing engineering feat of the last decade
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His collapsing everything at Bristol was the top engineering feat of the '90s as well.
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