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My favorite joke in all of DBZA is Vegeta yelling in pain 'Why did I explode?' after getting thrashed by Zarbon. Because...why did he explode there?
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Is there any word on language options for the American release of Xenoverse? I think I'm in the minority as far as this thread is concerned, but I really prefer the Japanese voices.
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Jan 27, 2015 19:33
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JoeGlassJAw posted:Is there any word on language options for the American release of Xenoverse? I think I'm in the minority as far as this thread is concerned, but I really prefer the Japanese voices. In a perfect world it would include a Team Four Star dub.
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Jan 27, 2015 19:45
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JoeGlassJAw posted:Is there any word on language options for the American release of Xenoverse? I think I'm in the minority as far as this thread is concerned, but I really prefer the Japanese voices.
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Jan 27, 2015 19:51
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Factory Factory posted:I'm eager to see the payoff in DBM for Buu's Advice Adventure. I am not sure what his gig is, and I'm not convinced he isn't just acting nonsensically, but it's a neat plot development that is just starting to wear out its welcome. I really wish DBM would release in chapters instead of pages. The page by page approach does not work well with a continuing story like this and people in this thread love to post spoilers for it without tags so I can't just avoid it for a few months and let several pages accumulate.
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Jan 27, 2015 19:53
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Welcome to webcomic hell.
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Jan 27, 2015 20:05
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Xibanya posted:I was reading that kazenshuu page about how Dragonball was unpopular at first but then really took off during the first Tenkaichi Budokai arc cause the readers love tournaments. I just don't get that. Tournament arcs in manga are always my least favorite thing and seem like a lousy cover up for a lack of plot. My interest in any anime drops if they ever get in a tournament, which is like all the goddamn time. Tournaments are the best way to showcase whatever crazy abilities/techniques/powers that the main cast of characters use at their disposal. Sure there are other ways, but it's the most time-tested and reliable method of fleshing out the ecology of whatever sets a certain manga/anime apart from its competition. You gotta think who these things are aimed towards; a young teenage crowd. Sometimes you don't wanna explore the subtle nuances of a setting, you just wanna watch a dude beat up another dude in a flashy method. Also it seems to be a good method for experimenting fight scene choreography and arena scale. Think of it as a way for the mangaka to better understand the rules of comics so he can push or break them if needed. Arguably Naruto's strongest arc was the Chunnin Exams, because it was a good way of setting up the blueprints for the concept of the jutsu system. That's half the point of the shounen genre; to put together enough of an excuse to have wild fights. What separates the wheat from the chaff is whether the author chooses to build upon the world scope once these mechanics are worked out. When it works well, you get things like One Piece. When all of your efforts are poured into the fights without any real effort in fleshing out the scope of the world, you get things like Bleach.
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Jan 27, 2015 20:36
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the fights in bleach were boring too though
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Jan 27, 2015 20:38
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I find a lot of the fights in One Piece boring. DBZ had this really too slim cast of actual relevant characters issue, modern shonen has gone the other way.
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Jan 27, 2015 20:40
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Eh, One Piece is okay with cast bloat. The main cast is only 9 people strong, which seems like an okay number for fight variety without the Bleach/Naruto problem of a bunch of useless hanger-ons.
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Jan 27, 2015 20:44
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Well, DBZ had its fair share of useless hangers on as well. See every non-alien post-Namek.
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Jan 27, 2015 21:05
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Endorph posted:Eh, One Piece is okay with cast bloat. The main cast is only 9 people strong, which seems like an okay number for fight variety without the Bleach/Naruto problem of a bunch of useless hanger-ons. See, I'd say One Piece is worse about it than Bleach and Naruto. Bleach has only ever really had Ichigo, Orihime, Chad, and Uryu as main characters and pretty quickly got into the habit of having everyone but Ichigo basically cycle through as "main" cast for the sake of fights which ultimately works pretty well. Ichigo gets the important fights, you cycle through the rest of the cast based on popularity for the fodder. Naruto never really even pretended anyone outside of the Core Three of Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke would be proper main characters, but there were a lot of secondary characters. For a while though it did a decent job of rotating in the lesser characters between the Big Fights, and even the final run managed to have some of the secondary characters worked in well enough. At least one of the best arcs in the series was entirely focused on (very likable) secondary characters. But One Piece has a core cast that's larger than Naruto and Bleach put together, on top of constantly introducing what often ends up being Arc Specific Characters that are generally given significant weight and screen time at the expense of the already large core cast only to generally be dropped and (largely) forgotten as soon as they hit the next island. At least Naruto and Bleach tended to bring the lesser characters back in every so often to offer some kind of extra perspective to the main story once their job was done, even if it was pretty minor. That said, DBZ had the issue of there only really being one useful character surrounded by increasingly less useful characters based on the amount of Saiyan blood they had with no real effort ever made to make anything for the other characters to even do but stand around and gape.
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Jan 27, 2015 21:10
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on the other hand all 9 of the main cast members in one piece gets scenes and development and at least a couple of fight scenes what the gently caress did chad ever do
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Jan 27, 2015 21:13
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You remember Chad and forget Rukia as a main character loving Chad
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Jan 27, 2015 21:13
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Endorph posted:on the other hand all 9 of the main cast members in one piece gets scenes and development and at least a couple of fight scenes Job to everybody ever. Even loving Renji at least got to win like one fight.
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Jan 27, 2015 21:18
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Do we all remember that time Chad debuted his awesome new arm power to beat some Hollow guy, only for one of the actual 10 main baddies to show up and loving one shot him and put him out of commission for the remainder of the arc? I'd feel bad for him, but Chad was a massive loving bore anyway.
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Jan 27, 2015 21:18
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Remember when Chad was in the fullbringer arc and was made out to be important for the story since he was one of them then walked off into a desert and did nothing?
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Jan 27, 2015 21:20
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:See, I'd say One Piece is worse about it than Bleach and Naruto. Bleach has only ever really had Ichigo, Orihime, Chad, and Uryu as main characters and pretty quickly got into the habit of having everyone but Ichigo basically cycle through as "main" cast for the sake of fights which ultimately works pretty well. Ichigo gets the important fights, you cycle through the rest of the cast based on popularity for the fodder. I liked Tien's 'I may suck but I can still be slightly useful!' bit and Krillin finally going for a killshot with Destructo Disc in the Cell Saga, it's a shame Toriyama didn't really try anything like that outside of Hercule in the Buu saga Also it must be really weird as a voice actor just to have this recurring role where you do absolutely nothing of note and just deliver disjointed exposition and grunts
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Jan 27, 2015 21:23
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Famitsu's guys gave Xenoverse a 7, 8, 8, 7. No review attached yet as far as the reasons why. If it matters (it doesn't), they scored Battle of Z higher. I've never agreed with Famitsu before, but it's funny to see the "why isn't this game I like rated a 10/10" guys come out and complain about integrity. I think 30/40 is an okay score anyway - I'm not expecting some deep intense tourney fighter.
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Jan 27, 2015 22:00
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Also it must be really weird as a voice actor just to have this recurring role where you do absolutely nothing of note and just deliver disjointed exposition and grunts Meh, a paycheck is a paycheck. It's not like it's anymore jointed from their perspective as I doubt lines are recorded in order.
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Jan 27, 2015 22:00
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Firstborn posted:Famitsu's guys gave Xenoverse a 7, 8, 8, 7. No review attached yet as far as the reasons why. If it matters (it doesn't), they scored Battle of Z higher. I've never agreed with Famitsu before, but it's funny to see the "why isn't this game I like rated a 10/10" guys come out and complain about integrity. I think 30/40 is an okay score anyway - I'm not expecting some deep intense tourney fighter. If anything, I'm willing to believe the 30/40 score as opposed to anything 39/40 or 40/40 that's come out in the past few years. Once you get away from the perfect scores, most reviews tend to be a bit more honest and not "HURR DURR I EAT MONEY AND POOP REVIEWS." Not that there's anything wrong with that, oh god I am not trying to open a can of worms.
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Jan 27, 2015 22:31
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My main worry is that it might control really wonky, something that threw me right out of Battle of Z. I still have no idea how to do anything in that game.
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Jan 27, 2015 22:39
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I've resolved myself to getting it plus the season pass. I've played other games with middling reviews and had a good time. Not every game on the market can be a 10/10, and I'm in America where anything over 70% is a passing grade.
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Jan 27, 2015 22:40
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Firstborn posted:Regardless of how the internet feels, I think Zarbon was pretty funny. The writing for him was good, and him having a girlfriend was the best. The F.A.G. joke isn't good, though. I don't know a kid who didn't think the whole anime bishounen thing weren't gay. No offense to anyone. I always thought TFS portrayal of zarbon's was just a joke on how he was portrayed in the original dub.
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Jan 27, 2015 23:12
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facebook jihad posted:My favorite joke in all of DBZA is Vegeta yelling in pain 'Why did I explode?' after getting thrashed by Zarbon. He just came down with a bad case of explosions. Happens sometimes, ya know? Nerdier Answer: You see an aura around him when he gets launched downward. I always assume Zarbon basically coated him in some of his ki while he had Vegeta in the bear hug, and just had it trigger when he collided with something, like a metaphysical bomb. *shrug*
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Jan 28, 2015 01:23
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:See, I'd say One Piece is worse about it than Bleach and Naruto. Bleach has only ever really had Ichigo, Orihime, Chad, and Uryu as main characters and pretty quickly got into the habit of having everyone but Ichigo basically cycle through as "main" cast for the sake of fights which ultimately works pretty well. Ichigo gets the important fights, you cycle through the rest of the cast based on popularity for the fodder. Every member of the crew gets an important fight or is important to the plot/overcoming the conflict. Chad beats a random mook anyone else could without breaking a sweat. Sanji beats a mook, tampers with the control system so they can escape, and is doing a bunch of other stuff. Usopp the weakest character in the crew saves the crews bacon in fights and is often the main person who exploits the whole in the Big Bad's plan. Sanji and Nami have been sorta floating around in this recent arc but that's not the standard, it's the aberration of normally happens.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:14
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I'd question labeling Orihime, Chad, and Uryu main characters at all.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:21
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BlitzBlast posted:I'd question labeling Orihime, Chad, and Uryu main characters at all. Yeah, my point was more that they were set up as main characters but then everybody (Rukia, Renji, Kenpachi, etc.) end up getting cycled through for "main character" style fights throughout the rest. The closest any of those three get to being a main character anymore is Uryu's role in the current arc, whatever the hell that is.
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Jan 28, 2015 05:41
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One Piece has an enormous world and enough characters to fill it, all with varying levels of power, importance, influence, relationships with each other and the main crew. If you were to go down a list of every character with even a semi-significant role in the plot or action, it would probably be just as packed as Naruto and Bleach on a per-arc basis. The difference there is Naruto and Bleach have static casts, with occasional newcomers or deaths or whatever. It's in the nature of the stories. The Strawhat Pirates are on a journey and with a single exception, never go backwards. They leave the island the last arc was on and that's it, they don't come back. On to the next one. They in turn leave behind the allies and friends they met in that arc. It helps keep things fresh. Meanwhile, because Naruto and Ichigo are always going back home after the last big battle, the people they're interacting with are always the same. The Konoha ninjas never really change much. They're always there. The Gotei 13 are even more present because they often get significant screentime compared to a lot of the Naruto cast. But it got stale and bloated after awhile. I got sick of seeing them. With One Piece you have a larger "core" cast of 9, and an overall character count in the triple digits, but it's presented in a much more palatable light because while some characters will make big cool returns after an absence, the majority of them just stay home and occasionally there's a cover page showing what they're up to, like with Vivi, arguably one of the most important side characters in the series (but anyone who would argue that is an idiot because she's a Strawhat not a side character). Anyway my point is I hate the bloated cast of Bleach because I'm sick of seeing swordghosts taking all the spotlight, and I hated the bloated cast of Naruto because I was sick of the ninja wizards not getting ENOUGH spotlight. One Piece balances it pretty well. DBZ did some cool stuff and the cast never got too big but all of them got useless which is also lovely and something younger guys seem to have learned from. Sometimes. TriffTshngo fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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Jan 28, 2015 06:01
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I think One Piece's newest arc has really failed to properly balance all of the main cast with all of the characters from the island they're on, though. Oda put half of them on a bus for now because he couldn't figure out what to do with them.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:03
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my fav part of one piece was the impel down arc because it was luffy working with a bunch of former villains without any of them losing their personality in the process. they just had goals that aligned with luffy's, they weren't suddenly good guys. edit: though yeah i lost interest after the timeskip.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:03
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I found an old VHS tape that had Tree of Might on it recorded off of Toonami. Goddamn this movie rules
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Jan 28, 2015 06:04
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:I think One Piece's newest arc has really failed to properly balance all of the main cast with all of the characters from the island they're on, though. Oda put half of them on a bus for now because he couldn't figure out what to do with them. It was worth it for the introductions of Bartolomeo and Cavendish imo.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:05
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I could never really get into One Piece. I'm not sure why except that I really, really, really disliked Luffy. I liked the rest of the cast but I just could not stand Luffy at all.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:06
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TriffTshngo posted:It was worth it for the introductions of Bartolomeo and Cavendish imo. Fair enough but goddamn did he overload the whole thing. I think he's really trying to do too much at once right now. The fights are even in Bleach territory now where it's one set of people fighting for like three chapters then they switch to another for two and then back to the first set and then to a third set and back to the second and ugh just have Luffy punch the motherfucker already. I don't think many mangaka inspired by Toriyama have been able to capture his ability to have a reasonably sized cast of characters and still tell a coherent, straight-forward narrative.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:11
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ImpAtom posted:I could never really get into One Piece. I'm not sure why except that I really, really, really disliked Luffy. I liked the rest of the cast but I just could not stand Luffy at all. Luffy is a slightly more excitable and spastic Goku. Who's made of rubber.
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ImpAtom posted:I could never really get into One Piece. I'm not sure why except that I really, really, really disliked Luffy. I liked the rest of the cast but I just could not stand Luffy at all.
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Jan 28, 2015 06:33
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Endorph posted:Luffy is a little annoying at the start but as the story goes on he develops a pretty strong core character. He's definitely not deep by any means but he's at least not 'just goku but dumber.' So I just need to beat up Crocodile, right?
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Fair enough but goddamn did he overload the whole thing. I think he's really trying to do too much at once right now. The fights are even in Bleach territory now where it's one set of people fighting for like three chapters then they switch to another for two and then back to the first set and then to a third set and back to the second and ugh just have Luffy punch the motherfucker already. I dropped out of One Piece after the Enis Lobby poo poo and recently tried to get back into it! There's about a million new characters and a bunch of forgettable poo poo with the Pirate Warlords and the Government actually being secretly the villains or some poo poo. Then they separate the entire cast and follow that up with a time skip. At some point I guess I just was away for too long and don't have the energy to try and catch up. Looking at the wiki I apparently exited at what is basically the halfway point. gently caress, that was like 46 volumes. That's more than all of Dragon Ball + Z.
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I have a hard time getting into a lot of other shounen anime. I think I just discovered DBZ at the right time for me. I tried to shotgun Naruto episodes, and made it up until he goes against a giant frog? (it's been a while), before I lost interest. It's like a 19 minute show, 6 of which are the credits, and 1-2 minutes of recap. It's a grueling slog. Never got into One Piece even though I idly sometimes recognize the character other places and go consume the One Piece wiki. I guess that's weird.
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