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Backweb posted:Japan still clinging onto the Nazis on the other hand... Hey, speaking of Japan, World War 2, and bad marketing!
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Backweb posted:Because East Asia never had a culture of "lets enslave Africans!" like the USA, other former European colonies, and former European colonial powers had, the taboo of blackface (esp. the minstrelsy shows that were popular 100+ years ago) just doesn't exist over here. If someone wanted to dress up as an African they'd probably do blackface because "hey, it's fun to dress up as other cultures... this is how I saw it in some pictures" and not even think about how potentially offensive it is. Asia has their own racism, but it's mostly just xenophobic or religious. Japan still clinging onto the Nazis on the other hand... Sure is lucky that Dunkin Donuts is a traditional Thai company which doesn't have an international brand image to maintain. Hint: they aren't and they do, that's why it's bad marketing.
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Jan 27, 2015 15:39
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duckmaster posted:Sure is lucky that Dunkin Donuts is a traditional Thai company which doesn't have an international brand image to maintain. Yeah I know that. The thing is a lot of global corporations will leave it up to their regional divisions to make marketing decisions. Still isn't the best move on Dunkin Donuts' part, obviously.
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Jan 27, 2015 16:04
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Japan: If they can't pretend the war never happened; they turn it into an anime with cute girls in hopes of brushing it under the rug. It's kinda depressing how they pretend it never happened really. I have watched Girls Und Panzer though, cause it's War Thunder/World of Tanks the anime and the premise of it is just so silly its entertaining.
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Jan 27, 2015 16:06
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LOL Well obviously the there are two sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere in between. So by watching a gritty WWII action flick combined with WWII loli anime fanservice the viewers are able to draw their own conclusion about the true facts of WWII. Seriously, Japan and weird loli WWII anime poo poo. A few years ago wasn't there some anime where the historical WWII powers were represented as all being loli mecha cyborg WWII anime friends or something?
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Jan 27, 2015 16:15
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Backweb posted:LOL There's that one where each country is represented as pretty boys/girls who hang out together at school. Of course Germany is the ultra cool guy in it. AFIK though the "war" is more the over stereotyped Allies giving the Axis characters crap. We are suspsoed to feel bad for the Axis.
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Jan 27, 2015 16:18
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Total Meatlove posted:The KFC advert in Australia that got pulled because of American backlash was a pretty good example of how multinationals have to work to some international (American) ideal of advertising. I like how the host of the show actually refers to the West Indies fans as "African Americans".
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Jan 27, 2015 16:32
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Tiggum posted:I like how the host of the show actually refers to the West Indies fans as "African Americans". All black people are African-Americans. America  Backweb posted:
Illamasqua is a british cosmetics brand. And I don't think she's asian
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Jan 27, 2015 16:42
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Sleeveless posted:Weird abstract game commercials are way better than just rolling some cutscenes and gameplay footage with some review quotes slapped on it and calling it a day. I would rather see what the game looks like, or even a live-action cutscene that shows some of the story, than have fuckin' racist caricature squirrels screaming about PORTABLE NUT.
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Jan 27, 2015 16:49
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Gridlocked posted:I have watched Girls Und Panzer though, cause it's War Thunder/World of Tanks the anime and the premise of it is just so silly its entertaining. Ah, yes.
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Jan 27, 2015 17:05
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Decrepus posted:Ah, yes. I do not understand your response.
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Gridlocked posted:I do not understand your response. It is bad to watch anime.
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Jan 27, 2015 17:32
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Total Meatlove posted:The KFC advert in Australia that got pulled because of American backlash was a pretty good example of how multinationals have to work to some international (American) ideal of advertising. After watching the commercial part twice it's easy to realize the dude wearing green in the center of the shot is surrounded by people who are fans of an entirely different sport team. But sandwiched between other commercials and not often seen back to back it would be beyond easy to mistake this as racism. I mean, assuming Australia doesn't have a lol Black people love fried chicken stereotype. I don't know the issues of race in Australia very well. Backweb posted:Because East Asia never had a culture of "lets enslave Africans!" like the USA, other former European colonies, and former European colonial powers had, the taboo of blackface (esp. the minstrelsy shows that were popular 100+ years ago) just doesn't exist over here. If someone wanted to dress up as an African they'd probably do blackface because "hey, it's fun to dress up as other cultures... this is how I saw it in some pictures" and not even think about how potentially offensive it is. Asia has their own racism, but it's mostly just xenophobic or religious. Japan still clinging onto the Nazis on the other hand... Yeah no one in Thailand really gave a poo poo. It was only eventually pulled due to international pressure. Not surprising, really. No its not blackface in Thailand cultural context but to everyone else it is sketchy as hell. Postal Parcel theyre referring to the bottom image of the drunk donuts ad. I do wonder if blackface is s thing in britain. Why on earth would they put a person in a top hat and suit and blackface?
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Jan 27, 2015 17:45
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Wedemeyer posted:I mean, assuming Australia doesn't have a lol Black people love fried chicken stereotype. I don't know the issues of race in Australia very well. It's not great.
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Jan 27, 2015 17:48
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Gridlocked posted:There's that one where each country is represented as pretty boys/girls who hang out together at school. iirc they reduced the rape of Nanking into a gag.
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Postal Parcel posted:Illamasqua is a british cosmetics brand. And I don't think she's asian Ah, wasn't aware it was British. Assumed it was also an Asian marketing thing. That is definitely a bad marketing move.
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I... oh. I take it back. I'm sure there was probably some underhanded racist reason for that commercial being made then.
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Wedemeyer posted:I do wonder if blackface is s thing in britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_and_White_Minstrel_Show 
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Jan 27, 2015 19:09
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Wedemeyer posted:I... oh. I take it back. I'm sure there was probably some underhanded racist reason for that commercial being made then. There are different ways to be racist and different cultures have different targets and stereotypes!
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See the culture tag under this page.
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Wedemeyer posted:
quote:quote:If it weren't for the outfit, I could have passed off the first picture as "Asian woman dressed and painted both completely white and black"  e:And yes, it is a thing in Britain. I mean, Gollywogs anyone?
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So there's this "martial arts master" in Cleveland, TN. He's a blond Mac. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCEfu471oS8
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Rigged Death Trap posted:iirc they reduced the rape of Nanking into a gag. I heard the show was whitewashing stuff, but 
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SirPhoebos posted:I heard the show was whitewashing stuff, but Of all the things to mock Hetalia for, complaining about a silly gag-a-day comic not treating historical events with enough gravity and respect is the weakest. Especially from the forum that brought you tribute.wmv
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Sleeveless posted:Of all the things to mock Hetalia for, complaining about a silly gag-a-day comic not treating historical events with enough gravity and respect is the weakest. Especially from the forum that brought you tribute.wmv Thank god some guy made that video fourteen years ago so you'd be able to protect everything you like from criticism forever.
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Jan 27, 2015 21:07
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Thank god some guy made that video fourteen years ago so you'd be able to protect everything you like from criticism forever. Well hey, if every single member of the forums past and present hadn't all banded together to create that video jointly then maybe we'd have a leg to stand on.
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Total Meatlove posted:There are different ways to be racist and different cultures have different targets and stereotypes! Wow how enlightening.
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Sleeveless posted:Of all the things to mock Hetalia for, complaining about a silly gag-a-day comic not treating historical events with enough gravity and respect is the weakest. Especially from the forum that brought you tribute.wmv There's context. Whereas Germany made holocaust denial illegal, in Japan denying or grossly downplaying the rape of Nanking isn't just common, it's official government policy. When a Japanese anime whitewashes the Japanese atrocity that Japan does its best to pretend never happened, it's part of that revisionist narrative.
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I had never heard of tribute.wmv so I googled it.quote:tribute.wmv is a very well known internet video. to deny it a reference on the yakety sax page is a travesty.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:There's context. Whereas Germany made holocaust denial illegal, in Japan denying or grossly downplaying the rape of Nanking isn't just common, it's official government policy. When a Japanese anime whitewashes the Japanese atrocity that Japan does its best to pretend never happened, it's part of that revisionist narrative. Hetalia does that same sort of thing with all of history. Not that I'm saying that makes it any better at all, but massacre deniers are, as pointed out on that page, a minority in Japan. There are some people in the government that deny it, yes, but the US elected Bush not too long ago and it's not any different then that. Right wing assholes are the same everywhere. Luckily, revisionism isn't a major problem right now. Most Japanese citizens have their head on straighter then that. It'd do the country a lot of good for them to follow Germany's example anyway.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:There's context. Whereas Germany made holocaust denial illegal, in Japan denying or grossly downplaying the rape of Nanking isn't just common, it's official government policy. When a Japanese anime whitewashes the Japanese atrocity that Japan does its best to pretend never happened, it's part of that revisionist narrative. It's just the sort of casual "this wasn't a big deal" thing that Japan is trying to burn into the public consciousness, and the hard right wing militarism is also a popular topic for anime and light novels, so even the otakus are buying into the "Japan did nothing wrong, we could've taken over the world if cowards didn't hold us back." After some serious controversy in the 90s that got international condemnation, Japan backed down, but recently the same mentality has resurged. As voting apathy reaches new heights and the only ones voting are either 60+ longing for the good old days or younger hard right militants, the Japan political parties have to double down and support all the revisionist rhetoric and hard right groups because they're the only ones making noise. It turns out when you're country has been drifting through an economic malaise for decades, your entire stagnant culture is steadfastly refusing change at any level to where your birthrate has dropped to a record low 1.4, alarming percentages of your younger generations don't even bother with marriage/families, all sorts of wackos can suddenly start throwing around serious political clout.
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WickedHate posted:Hetalia does that same sort of thing with all of history. Not that I'm saying that makes it any better at all, but massacre deniers are, as pointed out on that page, a minority in Japan. There are some people in the government that deny it, yes, but the US elected Bush not too long ago and it's not any different then that. What?
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Huntersoninski posted:What? "Yes but, America did [X["
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Huntersoninski posted:What? What I mean to say is, pretty much every other major country is as bad as Japan is with stuff like that. It's not exceptional as far as comitting war crimes and covering them up goes. Anyone who perpetuates it should be rightfully critisized, but it's not like...a Japanese thing.
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WickedHate posted:What I mean to say is, pretty much every other major country is as bad as Japan is with stuff like that. It's not exceptional as far as comitting war crimes and covering them up goes. Anyone who perpetuates it should be rightfully critisized, but it's not like...a Japanese thing. If everyone who perpetuates it should be rightfully criticized, why defend this precious anime, then?
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Huntersoninski posted:If everyone who perpetuates it should be rightfully criticized, why defend this precious anime, then? I'm not. I don't really care for Hetalia and treating atrocities like they do is gross.
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WickedHate posted:I'm not. I don't really care for Hetalia and treating atrocities like they do is gross. Then what's the point of anything you posted? Generally when someone says "Thing is bad," and a second someone replies "Sure but other thing is just as bad," they're trying to downplay the badness of the first thing. Also massacre denial and electing a lovely president aren't really equivalent offenses, you could have picked better if you had to.
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WickedHate posted:What I mean to say is, pretty much every other major country is as bad as Japan is with stuff like that. It's not exceptional as far as comitting war crimes and covering them up goes. Anyone who perpetuates it should be rightfully critisized, but it's not like...a Japanese thing. No no, don't gloss over this. Explain how electing someone who is slightly more conservative than his predecessors is "just as bad" as murdering 300,000 people, many of whom were raped to death.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:No no, don't gloss over this. Explain how electing someone who is slightly more conservative than his predecessors is "just as bad" as murdering 300,000 people, many of whom were raped to death. Wickedhate was pro-gamers in gamergate. Just let it go.
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