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Erebro posted:I'm not familiar with Kindred of the East (I read through the book at a used-book FLGS once and was immediately turned off by the Orientalist Smugness Bull), but Ming-Xiao's monster form is a Demon Shintai, isn't it? A skill born from bargaining with the Kuei-jin's version of the Beast?
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Ephemeron posted:Freely reshapable body and detachable limbs suggest 'Flesh Shintai' to me. The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can spend Demon chi to access the Demon shintai as well as regular chi to activate other disciplines, provided you don't overstep your "generational" limit of chi per turn.
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Honestly, all I want out of the answer to the question of "why is Melissa so strong?" is that it's not LOLCAINE. I hate that idea, and the fact that it's probably what happened is pretty annoying. In other news, I've got all the footage for the LP proper recorded, and now comes the agonizing process of uploading the videos I want to post.  My upload speed is terrible, so I hope I can bum some speed off the university network, otherwise things will slow down even more than they already will with me being in the middle of finals season.
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My favourite explanation is that Melissa's sire dabbled in diablerie. That would explain the generation and the lack of his friends/allies in the city (he ate them all).
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Ephemeron posted:My favourite explanation is that Melissa's sire dabbled in diablerie. That would explain the generation and the lack of his friends/allies in the city (he ate them all). But LaCroix says the sire was a loyal and trusted member for a long time. If they had dabbled in diabled, wouldn't somebody with auspex picked it up or noticed it some other way, or something? Though now that you mention it, how would that work? If a 7th ate enough vampires to get up to, say, 4th, then sired, would they be 8th, or 5th?
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thetrueoskar posted:Though now that you mention it, how would that work? If a 7th ate enough vampires to get up to, say, 4th, then sired, would they be 8th, or 5th?
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Jan 27, 2015 11:04
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Might some explanation for the PC's power level be connected to all the elder vitae they're constantly quaffing? (Disclaimer: I know nothing about WoD lore.) Could one unwittingly commit diablerie by being fed a vampire's blood via blood packs?
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Bolingbroke posted:Might some explanation for the PC's power level be connected to all the elder vitae they're constantly quaffing? (Disclaimer: I know nothing about WoD lore.) Could one unwittingly commit diablerie by being fed a vampire's blood via blood packs? No, you can't. Diablerie requires both intention and the actual body of the vampire in question, as you're eating the soul, not just the blood.
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K Prime posted:No, you can't. Diablerie requires both intention and the actual body of the vampire in question, as you're eating the soul, not just the blood. That, and in vanilla, I'm pretty sure there's only one bag of elder vitae in the entire game. EDIT: UPLOADING GIGABYTES IN MINUTES WHOAAAAAA Also, have something that happened when I was going through the werewolf bit again with god/noclip for the Sabbat ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUCAblpxSvk TheMcD fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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What happens when you Diablerize a member of another clan? Do you become a half-and-half? Do you have access to all of the powers of both clans? Only the new, or the old you had?
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Vagon posted:What happens when you Diablerize a member of another clan? Do you become a half-and-half? Do you have access to all of the powers of both clans? Only the new, or the old you had? You get to spend 10 XP to learn the main clan discipline of that clan at R1, if you don't already know it. If you do already know that clan's core discipline, and the victim is better at it than you, you get to increase your own rank in it. You stay whatever clan you were. If you're the same clan as the victim, you get +1 rank to each of your current disciplines that the victim has higher than you. In story terms, you absorb some of their mystical talents along with their soul. I can't help feeling that if you actually believed that you were eternally damned to hell for being a vampire -- as some of them have done, going from the splats and novels -- you'd be rather grateful to be diablerized rather than just killed. Oblivion has to be a better bet than infinite torture. EDIT: clarity, comment. Ghostwoods fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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Ghostwoods posted:You get to spend 10 XP to learn the main clan discipline of that clan at R1, if you don't already know it. If you do already know that clan's core discipline, and the victim is better at it than you, you get to increase your own rank in it. You stay whatever clan you were. If you're the same clan as the victim, you get +1 rank to each of your current disciplines that the victim has higher than you. Of course, diablerie can backfire if you try to skip too many generations and their soul is too strong. As it is, diablerists often unconsciously pick up some of the physical mannerism of their victims. Sometimes it doesn't stop there if you were too ambitious.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Of course, diablerie can backfire if you try to skip too many generations and their soul is too strong. As it is, diablerists often unconsciously pick up some of the physical mannerism of their victims. Sometimes it doesn't stop there if you were too ambitious. Wasn't there a story of somebody that let themselves get diablerized, knowing that their soul would eventually overtake the diablerer's body, essentially giving them a clean start?
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TheMcD posted:Wasn't there a story of somebody that let themselves get diablerized, knowing that their soul would eventually overtake the diablerer's body, essentially giving them a clean start? I'm sure there are other examples, but that's what happened with Saulot when the head Tremere tried eating him. It took him a while to win over, but one thing that never changes between Gehenna scenarios is that Saulot is back and he's got the Tremere's body.
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Jan 27, 2015 19:40
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TheMcD posted:
Man, Tasmanian Devil really slowed down in his old age.
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Bolingbroke posted:Might some explanation for the PC's power level be connected to all the elder vitae they're constantly quaffing? (Disclaimer: I know nothing about WoD lore.) Could one unwittingly commit diablerie by being fed a vampire's blood via blood packs?
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Ephemeron posted:No, but it's an excellent way to acquire a bunch of conflicting blood bonds (or a single enslaving one). Wait, why are vampire blood packs as power ups even a thing then? That seems horribly risky to use for anybody.
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Ephemeron posted:No, but it's an excellent way to acquire a bunch of conflicting blood bonds (or a single enslaving one). Aithon posted:Wait, why are vampire blood packs as power ups even a thing then? That seems horribly risky to use for anybody. They taste great and are extremely nourishing and can be drunk without any risk if the vampires in question are dead.
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Diablerie has to be performed on vampire that's of a lower generation than you, yeah? You can't chomp down on a bunch of your peers or those of a higher generation than you for the same effect?
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tlarn posted:Diablerie has to be performed on vampire that's of a lower generation than you, yeah? You can't chomp down on a bunch of your peers or those of a higher generation than you for the same effect? You can diablerize higher generation vampires, but you won't drop in generation at all. You do still gain access to signature disciplines and the like.
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Zeroisanumber posted:You can diablerize higher generation vampires, but you won't drop in generation at all. You do still gain access to signature disciplines and the like.
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Ephemeron posted:And it still tastes amazing and is addictive as hell. Bet'cha can't eat just one.
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Yeah, although a stereotypical diablerist image is that of an over-ambitiuous neonate eating his or her way up the ranks, an elder in the throes of diablerie addiction is far more terrifying, since it will devour every Kindred in the domain who fails to timely flee. (Gehenna is pretty much that, but on a global scale)
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i seem to recall reading that, generally speaking, the lower the generation you are, the more likely you are to not be satisfied by "normal" human blood anymore, craving something more potent like kindred vitae instead. Or am I misremembering?
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Yeah. It's also the express train to the Beast--unless you're on a Path that allows it, it's an automatic loss of humanity (with the chance of losing another dot!)--so your bloody path will be perilous and short.System Metternich posted:i seem to recall reading that, generally speaking, the lower the generation you are, the more likely you are to not be satisfied by "normal" human blood anymore, craving something more potent like kindred vitae instead. Or am I misremembering? In oWoD, there was a flaw called "Methuselah's Thirst" that required the bearer to drink vampire blood. It's not really codified in the system, but it's generally an accepted axiom that if you get Really Friggen Old (1000s of years, a la the biblical "Methuselah") you lose your taste for human blood. It's why the Antediluvians are the scary menace to vampires: they're really thirsty, and the only thing that can slake their impossible thirst is vampire blood, the older the better. OAquinas fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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OAquinas posted:It's not really codified in the system, but it's generally an accepted axiom that if you get Really Friggen Old (1000s of years, a la the biblical "Methuselah") you lose your taste for human blood. It's why the Antediluvians are the scary menace to vampires: they're really thirsty, and the only thing that can slake their impossible thirst is vampire blood, the older the better. quote:Then, the Ravnos Antediluvian awoke, smelling the spilled vitae... of Methusaelahs. As vampires age, they must feed upon increasingly potent blood. First, the blood of animals no longer sustains them. After several centuries, only the vitae of other vampires can satisfy their thirst. The true Antediluvians are more than 10 millenia old. They passed the "Methuselah's Thirst" stage long ago.
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It's still worth noting, by the way, that a vampire does not have to engage in diablerie when he or she drinks a vampire dry.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:It's still worth noting, by the way, that a vampire does not have to engage in diablerie when he or she drinks a vampire dry. Obviously, the Camarilla defines "diablerie" as "drinking kindred blood", since they don't really want to explain what the distinction is between that and slurping on the victim's soul. You'd give the neonates ideas. The rules make the distinction pretty clear, though: the negative effects (e.g. the black streaks in your aura) happen only if you finish the job, merely drinking another supernatural mosquito dry isn't enough.
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TheMcD posted:That, and in vanilla, I'm pretty sure there's only one bag of elder vitae in the entire game. Just letting you know that youtube accepts 60fps video now. Not that you'll rerecord everything, but still.
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gatz posted:Just letting you know that youtube accepts 60fps video now. Not that you'll rerecord everything, but still. Yeah, I actually know that, but the problem is that writing in 60fps is too much for my hard drive, so not only does it take up too much space, but it also introduces a lot of lag during playback. I originally started recording in 60fps for the potential for those frame perfect moments, but quickly gave up on it when those problems crept up. Not having a dedicated tower for this stuff, instead doing it on a laptop, does bring some problems with it. I'll have to make sure the games I LP after this have a lower resolution and are less graphically intensive.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I'm sure there are other examples, but that's what happened with Saulot when the head Tremere tried eating him. It took him a while to win over, but one thing that never changes between Gehenna scenarios is that Saulot is back and he's got the Tremere's body. There's also Mithras, who's reaction to his soul being devoured by some thinblooded rear end in a top hat Sabbat was to sigh and proceed to take over the idiot's body.
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Mental image of him just being tired of this poo poo is amusing.
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GuyUpNorth posted:Mental image of him just being tired of this poo poo is amusing. "gently caress, and I liked this body!"
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"And this one has such ugly tatoos! Ugh, maybe I can trick some Ventrue neonate to try next. They're usually pretty nice looking." I love the idea of a body surfing ancient vampire monster trying on newbs like he's trying on new suits.
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Hey, what happens if two vampires bite each other at the same time? Double blood bond? Do they not run out of blood points because they replenish as fast as they get depleted? Or do they diablrize each pther and swap bodies and clans?
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Rockopolis posted:Hey, what happens if two vampires bite each other at the same time? Double blood bond?
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The Lasombra and Assamite signature characters have had an on again off again relationship like that for centuries. Somehow. Despite the Assamite blood curse.
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citybeatnik posted:The Lasombra and Assamite signature characters have had an on again off again relationship like that for centuries. Somehow. Despite the Assamite blood curse. Lucita and Fatima al-Faqadi. They're professional rivals in that they're both assassins, but also former traveling companions. Back in the Dark Ages, they bummed around with Anatole, the Malkavian Prophet of Gehenna. The two of them have also had conflicted personal feelings which probably stems from a mutual partial blood bond. Fatima also saved Lucita from her sire, which basically secured Lucita's right to take his place as Archbishop of the Sabbat. EDIT: Fatima is very strong-willed for an Assamite warrior. During Gehenna she holds off the Withering by sheer faith, and even manages to convince Haqim to spare her life, basically saying that she can belong to both Allah and him in her unlife.
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Besides the body stealing thing, there's a roll you make when diablarizing another character ; if you roll badly you get a mental derangement and take on some of the victims mannerisms and attitudes towards other characters, if you botch it, they get to haunt you and make you hallucinate stuff. It's kind of hilarious.
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There's also a Protean power you can take that makes your diablerist take none of the benefits, but all of the drawbacks of diablerie. It gives you NO game benefit whatsoever. It's just a final gently caress YOU to whoever takes you down 
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