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Paying cash for all 970's that perform the same as they did when they were released for 1/2 price lol Honestly though I am in probably the <1% of people who actually is negatively affected by this (crashes eve with 2x clients at 1440) and im simply mildy annoyed. Rock on to the rest of you to push for some freebies though. Wish the 390 had a set date so i could get a 980 within return period of it
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incoherent posted:The reason they chose mantel: AMD gave them lots of money and the frostbite is the de facto organization engine that will power all of EA games. AMD just needs to dump the money bags down once and it will be in every EA game for 2-3 years. Sure, they don't have a call of duty (or rear end creed...or a good battlefield game lately) but EA has a strong portfolio of games that immediately gets mantel support. Money aside Mantle did give the industry the kick in the rear end that it needed. The current D3D and OpenGL APIs have a lot of CPU overhead and put a lot of pressure on drivers to sort everything out behind the scenes because of the level they are abstracted at. Nvidia rolled out a half-way competitor in the form of the NV_COMMAND_LIST OpenGL extension last month and provided some numbers comparing current APIs vs command buffer based ones:  Horribly unoptimized drawing scenarios where the application would spend up to 60 milliseconds in the driver now take far less than 1. This is why people are excited about Mantle/DX12/GLNext. Especially Ubisoft since it means that they can spend even less time caring about optimization  .AMD even offered up Mantle as a starting point for the ground-up OpenGL successor that's probably going to debut at GDC. That will be very interesting even for people who don't care about OpenGL if, for no other reason, because will bring a shader intermediate representation format that's actually documented and isn't from the stone-age of GPUs like D3D's. Whether Mantle will stick around once DX12 and GLNext are out is another matter since there doesn't seem to be much point in a vendor specific API that doesn't really offer any performance advantages over the cross-platform and cross-vendor solutions.
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So I know of the memory issue with the 970, and I am thinking about returning mine for a 980 (not because I am worried about the memory, but because I think I secretely just really want a 980). Does the 980 have the same memory issues?
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Knifegrab posted:So I know of the memory issue with the 970, and I am thinking about returning mine for a 980 (not because I am worried about the memory, but because I think I secretely just really want a 980). Does the 980 have the same memory issues? The issue is specific to the 970.
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Knifegrab posted:So I know of the memory issue with the 970, and I am thinking about returning mine for a 980 (not because I am worried about the memory, but because I think I secretely just really want a 980). Does the 980 have the same memory issues? No. In fact the memory thing, the reduced ROPs and the reduced L2 cache are all there because otherwise the 970 would either be a slightly slower 980 or it would be a much slower card than the 980. This whole situation arises from the fact that with maxwell you can cull smaller portions of the chip to create new products or increase effective chip yield. If you really want to understand what is going on with this issue read the Anandtech article.
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So then is the MSI 980 still a solid 980 to go for? Or that is to say this card: http://www.amazon.com/MSI-GTX-980-GAMING-4G/dp/B00OD38516/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1422473762&sr=8-5&keywords=nvidia+980
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Hamburger Test posted:If it actually crashes, wouldn't it just have crashed faster if the issue did not exist? It just gets really unhappy when it crosses 3.5 gb in that game (can crash, can recover, blank screen, card fans go to 100% for a few seconds, resets memory OC). It probably wouldn't crash if there was just 3.5 gb, it was just perform as you would expect when you run out of vram. It's also probably patch-able
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Knifegrab posted:So then is the MSI 980 still a solid 980 to go for? Or that is to say this card: http://www.amazon.com/MSI-GTX-980-GAMING-4G/dp/B00OD38516/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1422473762&sr=8-5&keywords=nvidia+980 For the same price you can get an EVGA 980 and not have to worry about lovely RMA support if you ever need it. http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GTX980-256bit-Graphics-04G-P4-2981-KR/dp/B00NT9USXI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1422474246&sr=8-4&keywords=nvidia+980 veedubfreak fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jan 28, 2015 |
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1gnoirents posted:It just gets really unhappy when it crosses 3.5 gb in that game (can crash, can recover, blank screen, card fans go to 100% for a few seconds, resets memory OC). It probably wouldn't crash if there was just 3.5 gb, it was just perform as you would expect when you run out of vram. It's also probably patch-able EVE is also a very old game at the core. It might not be dealing with 4 GB (2^32) VRAM well.
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Wasn't the ACX 2.0 SSC+ the EVGA that finally got a halfway competitive cooler? MSI is the default recommendation, Asus Strix if you want a backplate included.
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How is the Gigabyte Windforce X3 or whatever it's called? Some dude is panic selling three here. Might pick one up.
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Mr.PayDay posted:My 970 eVGA SLI Rig has 17400 Firestrike points and playing on my ASUS Swift @2560*1440 up to 144 frames via G-Sync is just gaming porn and makes my gaming buddies jealous. I am the 1 % Your post convinced me to proceed with my plan to upgrade my 4GB 770 to 970 SLI. I'm gaming at 1080p and I definitely want that sweet sweet FPS for my shiny new G-Sync monitor.
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Kazinsal posted:EVE is also a very old game at the core. It might not be dealing with 4 GB (2^32) VRAM well. Probably. It does play at 3.8 if it doesnt crash though. Maybe I'll get a 980 and just test and see
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veedubfreak posted:For the same price you can get an EVGA 980 and not have to worry about lovely RMA support if you ever need it.
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Mr.PayDay posted:But does this make the card worse? Some raging fellas claimed they would not have bought the 970 with 3,5 GB because of 4K Gaming. Seriously, who thought the 970 or 980 would be 4k cards to begin with? Well, not 4k, but I for instance was planning on hopping on board the 21:9 3440x1440 train later this year. Now I wonder if the performance of the 970 will suffer significantly...
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Kazinsal posted:How is the Gigabyte Windforce X3 or whatever it's called? Some dude is panic selling three here. Might pick one up. The Gigabyte 980 is very very good, but also typically the most expensive. The one I got happened to be an OCing champ, too, it boosts to about 1.6ghz.
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Gwaihir posted:The Gigabyte 980 is very very good, but also typically the most expensive. The one I got happened to be an OCing champ, too, it boosts to about 1.6ghz. 970s retail for $400-450 + tax (12%) up here so buying a nearly-new one from an idiot panicking about VRAM on Craigslist seems like a good idea (I only have $350 and I need to get a new CPU cooler as well to replace the open loop water system I have).
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sauer kraut posted:Wasn't the ACX 2.0 SSC+ the EVGA that finally got a halfway competitive cooler? For 970s, yea, but I think the 980 EVGAs were all fine. Nothing special, but not lesser than the competition like the base and SC 970 models.
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Kazinsal posted:970s retail for $400-450 + tax (12%) up here so buying a nearly-new one from an idiot panicking about VRAM on Craigslist seems like a good idea (I only have $350 and I need to get a new CPU cooler as well to replace the open loop water system I have). Why not get one from Amazon for 350?
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veedubfreak posted:For the same price you can get an EVGA 980 and not have to worry about lovely RMA support if you ever need it. Yeah dude MSI has really good support, and the MSI card has the best cooler to boot.
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Nobody seems to be panic-selling 970s near me. I'd totally get one.
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BurritoJustice posted:Yeah dude MSI has really good support, and the MSI card has the best cooler to boot. Sorry I thought I might catch flack. I haven't actually had to rma with MSI but I know other companies can be a pain in the rear end to deal with. I stick with EVGA whenever possible because they won't screw you over if you watercool.
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Ramadu posted:Why not get one from Amazon for 350? Because I live in Canada. $350 USD would be $430 CAD, plus $40 import, plus shipping... e: Just realized how desperate I am to get a new setup. Anyone wanna buy a copy of Leisure Suit Larry 2 for the Amiga still in the shrink wrap? :P Kazinsal fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Factory Factory posted:Nobody seems to be panic-selling 970s near me. I'd totally get one. I just checked and saw a used MSI 970 (the blue version) for $290 shipping on eBay, slight deal and not much to risk since the warranty is transferable.
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I'll consider it. I don't know as I really *need* an upgrade over a 680? But I have lust for shiny computer toys...
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SHOTS FIRED, REQUESTING BACKUP, REPEAT, SHOTS FIRED
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SwissArmyDruid posted:SHOTS FIRED, REQUESTING BACKUP, REPEAT, SHOTS FIRED 
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SwissArmyDruid posted:SHOTS FIRED, REQUESTING BACKUP, REPEAT, SHOTS FIRED Is that real? They have some balls to compare their reference cooler of all things to a 970.
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Josh Lyman posted:I will straight up trade my Gigabyte WindForce R9 290 for a GeForce 970. Honestly, you of all people should know, you fellow unrepentant West Wing-ophile. Josh would probably quote Sun Tzu would advise you to take advantage of your enemy's weakness and attack.
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My weakness is that I don't want to spend more than $300, and Micro Center charges tax so the $300 open-box doesn't work.
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This might be the wrong thread to ask but is there a way to enable "vsync" or some setting like that to prevent screen tearing on windows 7 desktop? It happens in any video program, or when I try to drag a window across the screen. It's really really really really really annoying now that I noticed it's happening. This website causes it really bad too, when I zoom in: http://www.amarasoftware.com/flash-animations/barcode.htm Using a GTX 650 with updated drivers, and an intel i5 chip. Running hdmi from the geforce to a 1080p tv ugh... My desktop was set to 16-bit color. Stupid Jagged Allliance. I think I fixed it A MIRACLE fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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A MIRACLE posted:This might be the wrong thread to ask but is there a way to enable "vsync" or some setting like that to prevent screen tearing on windows 7 desktop? It happens in any video program, or when I try to drag a window across the screen. It's really really really really really annoying now that I noticed it's happening. This website causes it really bad too, when I zoom in: http://www.amarasoftware.com/flash-animations/barcode.htm Uh... Hm. DWM has no option to turn Vsync off in Windows 7. Update your graphics driver to the lat4est and then check the control panel to make sure it's not being overridden in the 3D settings or whatnot. That said, Flash (which is the tech behind that site's animation) is not synced to the refresh rate at all. Flash's Vsync support is basically non-existent except for the artist to manually set the framerate of the animation to match the monitor's refresh rate (or an even divisor) or setting the animation mode to a GPU-accelerated one. Factory Factory fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Kazinsal posted:How is the Gigabyte Windforce X3 or whatever it's called? Some dude is panic selling three here. Might pick one up. I'd rate it third after MSI and Asus. It's an extra long card though, so keep that in mind with respect to your case clearance.
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The_Franz posted:It seems that in games the worst case scenario is a 3-4% performance drop since the vast majority of your resources are still going to be in the fast region. If you are doing compute work on it then it might be a bigger deal since doing operations on data in the upper region will see a massive performance hit. No, it's worse than that. You can't access the fast segment and the slow segment during the same memory-fetch cycle. That means if any thread within a ROP block needs to touch the slow segment, it needs its own memory-read cycle. So in that case, you go from being able to access (7+7) chunks of memory during 2 cycles to (7+1) cycles. And that's assuming you need a full ROP block access cycle's worth of slow memory - if you only want 1 value from slow memory you could potentially be getting (7+0.00001). In the worst-case access pattern it's a 50% drop in performance. Basically it's really a 3.5GB card, if you need that last 512MB you better hope the heuristics work for you.
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Factory Factory posted:Yes, but it's also hard to take that seriously when the number one source for people getting those specs is from reviews that also publish empirical performance data, which should be and often is the first and often the last stop for making product comparisons in this market. Yeah man, look at those tards who trust reviewers claiming to be "empirical" with their "performance benchmarks" and "technical specifications". Why would anyone think they could possibly be a trustworthy source?  The problem with taking the performance benchmarks as the end-all comparison, is that modern system configurations don't really test the worst-case performance very well. It's hard to get 1080p games to even use 3.5GB of memory. That stops being so difficult when you are running 1440p, 4K, or compute, and the current benchmarks don't really capture that well. There's a Reddit thread with a compilation of benchmark comparisons at 3.4GB and 3.6GB of memory. And yes, when people buy a second-to-top-of-the-line card, many of them are doing it with the expectation that their hardware is going to be reasonably future-proof. Nothing is forever but buying the #2 card in the lineup usually will last you a while. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Factory Factory posted:Nobody seems to be panic-selling 970s near me. I'd totally get one. Same, the only person selling any 970s near me wants $325, which is a joke. Everything else is pre-made "PRO GAMING RIGS" going for $500 more than what it would cost me to buy all the parts and put it together myself with no risk of getting ripped off with a broken piece of garbage.
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Zero VGS posted:Is that real? They have some balls to compare their reference cooler of all things to a 970. Yeah, on twitter. Seems to be AMD's head of marketing. vv Yeah, the reference cooler is an embarrassment. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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SwissArmyDruid posted:SHOTS FIRED, REQUESTING BACKUP, REPEAT, SHOTS FIRED I hope some idiot who's panic selling his MSI 970 buys a referebce blower R9 290 just like that to stick it to the man. Don't buy that card unless you really like the smell of melting plastic and having a miniature jet engine sitting next to you.
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