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DJ Dizzy posted:I'd still field two barges Are you talking Command Barges? Because those are insanely good now. Annihilation Barges are still good, but certainly not the auto-takes they used to be.
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Anni barges, although I havent assembled my 2nd barge yet. Why are command barges balls-out good now?
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Jan 29, 2015 16:28
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DJ Dizzy posted:Anni barges, although I havent assembled my 2nd barge yet. Why are command barges balls-out good now? They give a morale reroll bubble, can be given IWND (along with the Overlord riding), and are cheaper. CCBs got cheaper and better and ABs got more expensive and remained the same.
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PierreTheMime posted:They give a morale reroll bubble, can be given IWND (along with the Overlord riding), and are cheaper. CCBs got cheaper and better and ABs got more expensive and remained the same. Tesla Destructors lost Arc. Not that it mattered much, but it's a bit more than just a price knock.
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Mango Polo posted:Tesla Destructors lost Arc. Not that it mattered much, but it's a bit more than just a price knock. And the chance to proc the 2 extra hits on Snap Fire, which is actually kind of huge considering how often they were used for anti-Flyer before. RIP hitting Valkyries with 12 S7 shots. 
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PierreTheMime posted:And the chance to proc the 2 extra hits on Snap Fire, which is actually kind of huge considering how often they were used for anti-Flyer before. RIP hitting Valkyries with 12 S7 shots. Oh yes, and that. Nasty nerf, and it leaves Necrons with... not a single AA option outside of *Scythes (priced up, though Death Beams can be aimed at flyers now unless I missed something) and Obelisks (300 points, unreliable, can loving mishap on deep strike). Good thing the army is pretty drat resilient though.
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I'm still bringing one because it looks cool as gently caress 
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Mango Polo posted:Oh yes, and that. Nasty nerf, and it leaves Necrons with... not a single AA option outside of *Scythes (priced up, though Death Beams can be aimed at flyers now unless I missed something) and Obelisks (300 points, unreliable, can loving mishap on deep strike). Death Ray is a Blast, which cannot be fired at Flyers/Flying Monstrous Creatures. It's a more powerful shot than before (24" S10 AP1 Lance), but doesn't go through models. The fact that the Beam rule exists now and the one gun that should have it doesn't have it is one of the parts of the otherwise great codex.
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PierreTheMime posted:Death Ray is a Blast, which cannot be fired at Flyers/Flying Monstrous Creatures. It's a more powerful shot than before (24" S10 AP1 Lance), but doesn't go through models. The fact that the Beam rule exists now and the one gun that should have it doesn't have it is one of the It can totally hit FMC.
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PierreTheMime posted:Death Ray is a Blast, which cannot be fired at Flyers/Flying Monstrous Creatures. It's a more powerful shot than before (24" S10 AP1 Lance), but doesn't go through models. The fact that the Beam rule exists now and the one gun that should have it doesn't have it is one of the Ah nevermind then, I thought it had been turned into a single shot weapon. DJ Dizzy posted:I'm still bringing one because it looks cool as gently caress It looks cool, no disagreements. And I plan on picking one up to run as an Obelisk + a Canoptek-ified C'tan. And it can poop out 20 S7 Tesla shots on top of automatically screwing with flyers. It just doesn't do much to pop flyers.
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raverrn posted:It can totally hit FMC. Nevermind, forgot Skyfire allowed it because it causes the shots not to Snapfire. You're right. PierreTheMime fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Mango Polo posted:Oh yes, and that. Nasty nerf, and it leaves Necrons with... not a single AA option outside of *Scythes (priced up, though Death Beams can be aimed at flyers now unless I missed something) and Obelisks (300 points, unreliable, can loving mishap on deep strike). IA12 has Sentry Pylons - artillery that has a 120", two shot, skyfire/interceptor gauss lascannon for 135 points base. They're immobile, but they don't sound too bad. And they go in squadrons of 1-3. ChrisAsmadi fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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135 points and it can only shoot at full BS flyers and skimmers :I
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PierreTheMime posted:And the chance to proc the 2 extra hits on Snap Fire, which is actually kind of huge considering how often they were used for anti-Flyer before. RIP hitting Valkyries with 12 S7 shots. My main problem with Tesla was that it allowed the barge or flyer to use its jink save without suffering the consequences. Necrons did get some good buffs yes, but the really silly broken stuff has been axed.
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Rear armor 11 on the CCB kinda kills it for me. If you can beat a Killa Kan you can beat a CCB. Charging a Wraithknight or Knight is simply suicide.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Rear armor 11 on the CCB kinda kills it for me. If you can beat a Killa Kan you can beat a CCB. Charging a Wraithknight or Knight is simply suicide. Chariots use front armor. And the new quantum shielding makes it AV13 on the back as well.
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Naramyth posted:Chariots use front armor. The second was a pretty big rumor, but appears to have been misstated. Quantum shielding is pretty much the same. (And since I had to get a crick in my neck to read this, the rest of you can as well. )
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Von Humboldt posted:(And since I had to get a crick in my neck to read this, the rest of you can as well.  
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Von Humboldt posted:The first is correct - you need something better than a Krak grenade or a way to chew through the Lord in CC to drop a Chariot. Well I guess I gotta go back in time and redo Nova 2014! It'd be good, anyway, as my opponents in my first two games told me passengers had to snap shot when the Ghost Ark jinks.
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Looks like you can't suck people into a monolith anymore Could it redeploy a unit already on the table before?
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Yeah you could. Wish it let you redeploy Jet Pack Infantry and MCs, though.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Yeah you could. Wish it let you redeploy Jet Pack Infantry and MCs, though. Or beasts!
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PierreTheMime posted:No, they also did not have AP5 on their basic attacks. They received some major upgrades, just not enough to field them. They've got 5 attacks on the charge, can get a 4+, 4++, and have shred for 13points per models. Even if they don't get the additional Charge attack they still get 4 , their crazy good now. A unit of 10 for a 130 points does 50 Attacks on the charge that reroll wounds. They'll beat the poo poo out of most other units of equal points, sure a Knight or something like that's going to kill the whole unit but anything less than a Walker / Super Heavy / Smash Fucker in Combat is going to find them difficult to Deal with and they have a LD 10. Rerolling wounds is major. It's a really good unit. Just statistically it's a good unit. Plus, Reanimation Protocols change makes it so they'll be more likely to get into CC. They also can be transported by the Monolith. If they'd have made it as if their disembarking a open top transport then the Monolith would have been really good. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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Hollismason posted:They've got 5 attacks on the charge, can get a 4+, 4++, and have shred for 13points per models. Even if they don't get the additional Charge attack they still get 4 , their crazy good now. A unit of 10 for a 130 points does 50 Attacks on the charge that reroll wounds. They'll beat the poo poo out of most other units of equal points, sure a Knight or something like that's going to kill the whole unit but anything less than a Walker / Super Heavy / Smash Fucker in Combat is going to find them difficult to Deal with and they have a LD 10. Rerolling wounds is major. You can't discount the most popular model in the game right now.
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Naramyth posted:You can't discount the most popular model in the game right now. You shouldn't disregard 1 unit because of 1 other specific unit. Flayed Ones are really really good. By that logic you should not take anything in a army that is not a super heavy. Every units going to have some weakness. Even average rolling equal points of Flayed Ones versus , Death Company, Thunderwolf Calvary, Assault Marines, Bikers, etc.. they come out on top because of the WS and the Reroll to Wound and the permanent invulnerable save. Also your talking about a Armies who's basic Warriors can legitimately threaten a Imperial Knight, having a problem with dealing with armour is not a huge thing for Necrons. Being able to reroll wounds is a insanely good ability. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jan 29, 2015 |
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I don't even own flayed ones, I own Warriors that I just cut the hands off of and replaced with blades. Easiest conversion ever.
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Hollismason posted:I don't even own flayed ones, I own Warriors that I just cut the hands off of and replaced with blades. Easiest conversion ever. are the blades made from chicken beak?
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Talons dude, you use chicken talons for weapon hands, why would you use beaks that'd be weird. Gotta be baby chicks though, size has to be right.
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ghetto wormhole posted:Looks like you can't suck people into a monolith anymore What?!?! I can't suck people off the table anymore? Man, I loved shocking a bunch of dude into a nice line and sucking them off one by one. EDIT: Okay, to be fair I like the idea of sucking my own guys off the table and immediately spitting them back out onto my opponent.
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Warham nerds still making fun of forums poster Hollandaise Sauce.  Someone spent $10 to make his posts take up more thread space, too.
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LordAba posted:What?!?! I can't suck people off the table anymore? Man, I loved shocking a bunch of dude into a nice line and sucking them off one by one. Snowball tactic is dead.
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Post 9-11 User posted:Warham nerds still making fun of forums poster Hollandaise Sauce. Just put him on ignore, I'm pretty sure half the posters here have done it already.
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Slimnoid posted:Just put him on ignore, I'm pretty sure half the posters here have done it already. Why would you put the only not poo poo poster on ignore. Why would you put anyone on ignore.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Yeah you could. Wish it let you redeploy Jet Pack Infantry and MCs, though. Who do they have as jetpack infantry? Were Destroyers changed from Jump?
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Hollismason posted:Snowball tactic is dead. It's the opposite. You can't swallow the enemies guys off the board, but you can spit your own guys back.
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Crosspostin' boyz on bikes. Makes the model look better even if they are a little awkward:        
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ijyt posted:Why would you put the only not poo poo poster on ignore. Moola is not on ignore so I dunno what you're talking about. As to why: my sanity. Hollis vomits out posts and is basically wrong about everything and that poo poo finally got old for me, and it doesn't look like his hobo rear end is going to change so why bother putting up with it? Slimnoid fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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Slimnoid posted:Moola is not on ignore so I dunno what you're talking about. Maybe you shouldn't be on a forum.
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